the new NFL roughing the passer rule

frank

This is ridiculous, how are players on the defense supposed to get a sack when they can't tackle the quarterback 

There have been terrible calls made because of this change 

Soda Popinski

I have no idea.   They want their QBs to never get hurt, so they set it up so you can't hit them.   Then Khalil Mack and Clay Matthews have essentially been castrated, the one thing they do best they're not allowed to do anymore.   It's pathetic, if they want the league to be a 7 on 7 passing league just eliminate the trenches, give everybody flags and call it vajay jay ball.  

Mackeral Snatcher

Next thing you know they will not be allowed to hit the QB's arm if he is in the process of throwing a pass.

surfman

Maybe they should just put a rag on his hips and if the defender pulls the rag off, he gets a sack! Yea, that's the ticket...

kellercl

surfman said:

Maybe they should just put a rag on his hips and if the defender pulls the rag off, he gets a sack! Yea, that's the ticket...

Honestly I would rather have that than what we have now.  I would go a step further, the QB gets to decide between flag and tackle before the start of the game.

Soda Popinski

One of Miami's Dlinemen got hurt trying not to get a penalty and his season is now over.  THat kind of BS is ridiculous.    You shouldn't have to stop, gradually wrap your arms around the QB (ever so gently so as not to hurt them) then lay them down on a bed of rose petals while Toto plays in the background.   

That's not a sack, that's Dirty Dancing

ferris1248

One more reason to watch college ball and get to bed early on Sunday, Monday and Thursday nights.

kellercl

I also think the second a QB leaves the pocket, he no longer is a QB, regular rules should apply.  

Soda Popinski

To be clear I don't blame the refs, they are throwing flags according to how the rules are written and by the rule, these are personal fouls for roughing the passer.  It's pathetic, and it's a terribly written rule that is ruining the game, but the refs aren't the problem here.  

for once.  

Gardawg

If enough people quit watching then the owners will change the rules again.

But not until.

tankard

ferris1248 said:

One more reason to watch college ball and get to bed early on Sunday, Monday and Thursday nights.

It is nearly unwatchable now.

kellercl

Lol, the "brady" rule was enacted 2 years before Brady was even drafted.  It was called a few times before he even had a snack.  One time of which cost the patriots a game.  The Brady rule is grossly misunderstood.  

Edit

Now that I'm thinking of it, I am mistaken.  I'm thinking of the tuck rule that people given Brady credit for.  Not the knee thing.

mplspug

Rushers need to stop wrapping them and just run them over until the league gets the point. I imagine you could do a lot of damage hitting a QB like a bowling pin.

Soda Popinski

mplspug said:

Rushers need to stop wrapping them and just run them over until the league gets the point. I imagine you could do a lot of damage hitting a QB like a bowling pin.

Can't do that either.  any kind of forceable contact draws a flag.   All you can do now is wrap them up and stand there like a schmuck until the ref blows the whistle.    You can't even pick them up off the ground.   Just stand there dry humping them and wait for the zebra to tell you you've finished. 

kellercl

Conchy Critter said:

kellercl said:

Lol, the "brady" rule was enacted 2 years before Brady was even drafted.  It was called a few times before he even had a snack.  One time of which cost the patriots a game.  The Brady rule is grossly misunderstood.  

You might want to do a little reading

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/160081-how-the-brady-rule-will-kill-football

I was mistaken.  I was thinking of the tuck rule people mistakenly think was created for Brady.  My apologies.

kellercl

Conchy Critter said:

kellercl said:

Conchy Critter said:

kellercl said:

Lol, the "brady" rule was enacted 2 years before Brady was even drafted.  It was called a few times before he even had a snack.  One time of which cost the patriots a game.  The Brady rule is grossly misunderstood.  

You might want to do a little reading

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/160081-how-the-brady-rule-will-kill-football

I've done plenty of reading.  The rule was in place, and called, before Brady entered the league.  That is a cold hard fact, but calling it the Brady rule gets more clicks.  I suggest you follow your own advice.

lol I'm sure you know more lol

I've caught my mistake and made the appropriate edits.  I was thinking of the tuck rule people credit Brady for.  I got my wires crossed.  That is all on me.

Soda Popinski

The tuck rule was stupid as well, but it wasn't the Brady rule as has been clarified.   The Brady rule was after Bernard Pollard submarined Brady's knee in the season opener and made Matt Cassell a ton of unearned money the following season for being a lousy QB in Belichick's offense.   

kellercl

Yep, I take full ownership, this mess was 100% my fault.  Apparently I need coffee or need to go home, lol.  

And yes, Matt Cassel made a fortune.

mplspug

Soda Popinski said:

mplspug said:

Rushers need to stop wrapping them and just run them over until the league gets the point. I imagine you could do a lot of damage hitting a QB like a bowling pin.

Can't do that either.  any kind of forceable contact draws a flag.   All you can do now is wrap them up and stand there like a schmuck until the ref blows the whistle.    You can't even pick them up off the ground.   Just stand there dry humping them and wait for the zebra to tell you you've finished. 

I thought the new rule only addressed landing on the QB with your full weight?

mustang190

Flag football anyone???

mindyabiness

SUPPORT THE BOYCOTT!

Resinhead

NoFunLeague

They can have it.

swampwalker

I almost miss the NFL......

Soda Popinski

mplspug said:

Soda Popinski said:

mplspug said:

Rushers need to stop wrapping them and just run them over until the league gets the point. I imagine you could do a lot of damage hitting a QB like a bowling pin.

Can't do that either.  any kind of forceable contact draws a flag.   All you can do now is wrap them up and stand there like a schmuck until the ref blows the whistle.    You can't even pick them up off the ground.   Just stand there dry humping them and wait for the zebra to tell you you've finished. 

I thought the new rule only addressed landing on the QB with your full weight?

I keep hearing forceable contact.    but you may be right hell I don't know anymore.   I wish I could tell you what is and isn't a penalty. 

mplspug

It's sad.  The old rules were fine, but Erin Rodgers panties get dirty and all of a sudden we need new rules this year.  

SKOL!

Soda Popinski

mplspug said:

It's sad.  The old rules were fine, but Erin Rodgers panties get dirty and all of a sudden we need new rules this year.  

SKOL!

To be fair, Barr drove him into the ground pile driver style last year with intent to injur.  That is the kind of stuff this was designed to get rid of.   Where guys leave their feet intending to bring down 250-350lbs of weight on the QB after he hits the ground.   

I get that, my favorite sacks are old school ones like LT hitting a QB from behind and crumbling him to the ground.   Strip sack style.    But they have taken this to a whole new level of touch football.   

mplspug

His weight is going laterally.  He held him all the way to the ground.  It was unfortunate that he landed on his side awkwardly to where his collarbone gave. 


This is a pile driver

mplspug

But you can clearly see why all the calls this year when you look at his tackle. 

Why don't they make it easier and say you must make every attempt to avoid contact, minimize contact and/or not force a QB to the ground once they release the ball?  I've winced for decades when QBs get knocked down after releasing the ball. 

I get that defenses use this tactic to wear down and get into the heads of QBs, but it seems unnecessary, especially when you have what we have today which is refs judging and making calls on how the QB was knocked down. 

Soda Popinski

Neither one of those is in any way what Clay Matthews was doing.   

Soda Popinski

What you have to do with Barr is just hurdle him like Allen did Sunday  

Finfinder

These anti defense rules are a big reason  why players like Fitzpatrick are breaking records.