Story on Lake O nutrient loading

FS David

http://www.floridasportsman.com/2018/08/22/dead-in-the-water/

surfman

Shouldn't this be in the politics section? Anyway, the 2 charts that are shown in the beginning of the article do not show any improvements in Nitrogen loading or phosphorus to me, you have to really want to see an improvement and I just don't and when you add to that that Scott didn't show up until almost the end of the chart then I have to ask how is that even relevant? I am sure that all the people crying foul are also of a different political faction, at least they vote that way and get paid from government funds too, I would bet. Aside from that I do think that we need to take the best care of our environment that we can. Not sure what regulations Scott eliminated that could have possible caused all this all of a sudden, these discharges were happening before Scott.

Too many people in Florida and I suppose that Scott could be blamed partly for that by encouraging businesses and that means more people moving here too. There should not be a development built in FL today that is not on some sort of waste water treatment facility with zero BOD discharge and the ones that are on septic need to be finding ways to convert to waste water treatment. Agriculture, what little is left in FL needs to start recovering and recycling all it's water usage. This all costs money, and lots of time to fix if that is even possible now, the chickens have finally come home to roost as they say.

ANUMBER1

is your canal front trailer in the Hatch on septic?

[email protected] Special

What a snowflake editorial of questionable scientific confidence.

FS has become a lost soul without any expertise or even basic respect for editorial accuracy.\

Even the way some professional comments were written ignore basic principles of the current situation.

For one, this snowcapped article forgets that we are still suffering from levee design standards which changed after Hurricane Katrina. That forced major changes in the way we manage Lake Okeechobee. That forced us to take on repairs and upgrades and limit water storage while we do it.

So its Governor Scott's fault?? Scott is the one that put up Florida funds to expedite construction slowed by the lack of funding by the Federal Government .

Now and previously, FS has jumped on the send it South without any editorial research or understanding of the restrictions on flowing water to the South and how Indian politics affects that issue.

FS spouted all that bull crap about how the new reservoir was going to be placed and I told them where it would be and what the restriction would be on it. But no, a crappy bunch of fishing editors thought otherwise.

And these idiots on Stuart continue to ignore the story of how the reservoir ended up not a reservoir. The EAA was under construction and SFWMD got sued by environmental groups to stop it. So here we are begging for it to be started again after we wasted $250 million on it to begin with and most of that was cancellation costs for the contract that was to build it.

Why don't you editors try to put together a magazine like Florida Sport Fishing Mag which actually has informative and interesting articles.

You guys killed a magazine that used to be worth reading.]

Skip the enviro crap, you guys don't have the ability to understand the underlying issues so you publish a crap article like this.

And you should be banned for violating your snowflake but own dam political post policy!

surfman

ANUMBER1 said:

is your canal front trailer in the Hatch on septic?

Is yours?

ANUMBER1

My natural waterfront house is on above grade septic, how bout your trailer?

surfman

I'm on septic, the previous owner installed it but it is not above grade, it doesn't need to be, My trailer is up in the air about 6' and the tank and drain field are up the hill from the river, set back from the river about 150'. Your system is no better than mine so don't kid yourself.

ANUMBER1

so it's not up to code for this day and age... got it.

Doc Stressor

All septic systems contribute to either surface or groundwater pollution. 

I wish we had an option for a sewer where we live.  I'd pay to stop making the springs green. 

surfman

I believe they are working on that in Steinhatchee from what I have heard and, from what I've heard it will be $6000 to hook up. Anything new and within range of the force mains will be required to hook up. Plus you get the sewer charge added to your water bill. I believe there are ways around paying up front but, again I need to do more research on the matter. Not really sure it was done. You will still need a tank and a pump will be used to move the grey water to the force main.

Mine is up to code. It only needs to be done like that if it can't pass the perk test and where you are at it probably wouldn't, Art.

ANUMBER1

surfman said:

I believe they are working on that in Steinhatchee from what I have heard and, from what I've heard it will be $6000 to hook up. Anything new and within range of the force mains will be required to hook up. Plus you get the sewer charge added to your water bill. I believe there are ways around paying up front but, again I need to do more research on the matter. Not really sure it was done. You will still need a tank and a pump will be used to move the grey water to the force main.

Mine is up to code. It only needs to be done like that if it can't pass the perk test and where you are at it probably wouldn't, Art.

So is mine, that's why my system is raised above grade, has been since 1976 and a new one in 2003.
There will probably never be sewer in Ozello in my lifetime.

surfman

The only way they can put sewer in a place like Ozello is to use the low pressure system, it is easily doable. Then they just pump the sewage to a treatment plant. Many coastal towns that are in areas like Ozello can't even think about a typical gravity sewer system like what is used in places like Tampa. High ground water, poor soil, houses spread out too far apart and stuff like that prevent that from being practical. But with a low pressure system all you need to do is run a PVC pipe don't the street, each house hooks up to it with a pump in their septic tank. The tank needs to be sealed up though. Another benefit is that the sewage is from a septic tank which means it is pre-treated. The tank does need to be pumped out now and then or it should be anyway.

ANUMBER1

5 inches of soil then solid rock, 6.5 miles of marsh thru a state park before connecting to an existing lift station.

One developer shut down (and bankrupt) for punching a sewage pipe under a marsh to a small package plant.
Add that 1/2 our roads are private.

surfman

That is why it isn't done in a lot of places especially remote locations like Ozello, the cost would be significant and a septic system is the most practical way. Fortunately, a lot of the nature coast is now preserve and there won't be a lot of development done otherwise it could be a lot worse. I am glad the SRWMD owns the land across the river from my place and along most of the river north of town.

pottydoc

[email protected] Special said:

What a snowflake editorial of questionable scientific confidence.

FS has become a lost soul without any expertise or even basic respect for editorial accuracy.\

Even the way some professional comments were written ignore basic principles of the current situation.

For one, this snowcapped article forgets that we are still suffering from levee design standards which changed after Hurricane Katrina. That forced major changes in the way we manage Lake Okeechobee. That forced us to take on repairs and upgrades and limit water storage while we do it.

So its Governor Scott's fault?? Scott is the one that put up Florida funds to expedite construction slowed by the lack of funding by the Federal Government .

Now and previously, FS has jumped on the send it South without any editorial research or understanding of the restrictions on flowing water to the South and how Indian politics affects that issue.

FS spouted all that bull crap about how the new reservoir was going to be placed and I told them where it would be and what the restriction would be on it. But no, a crappy bunch of fishing editors thought otherwise.

And these idiots on Stuart continue to ignore the story of how the reservoir ended up not a reservoir. The EAA was under construction and SFWMD got sued by environmental groups to stop it. So here we are begging for it to be started again after we wasted $250 million on it to begin with and most of that was cancellation costs for the contract that was to build it.

Why don't you editors try to put together a magazine like Florida Sport Fishing Mag which actually has informative and interesting articles.

You guys killed a magazine that used to be worth reading.]

Skip the enviro crap, you guys don't have the ability to understand the underlying issues so you publish a crap article like this.

And you should be banned for violating your snowflake but own dam political post policy!

Dead on, as usual, Ron. But what do you know, you only do this for a living.

ANUMBER1

surfman said:

That is why it isn't done in a lot of places especially remote locations like Ozello, the cost would be significant and a septic system is the most practical way. Fortunately, a lot of the nature coast is now preserve and there won't be a lot of development done otherwise it could be a lot worse. I am glad the SRWMD owns the land across the river from my place and along most of the river north of town.

I agree and I keep my system as up to date as possible...

i want my waters clean, I depend on it.

Grady-lady

Doc Stressor said:

All septic systems contribute to either surface or groundwater pollution. 

I wish we had an option for a sewer where we live.  I'd pay to stop making the springs green. 

It won't be long before the condos at the Islands and the houses in Dixie Shores will be on sewer.  Cost to hook up is estimated between $5,000-$6,000 (for the homes, don't know about the condos) and then to pay a monthly fee.  It'll be a mess for awhile - burying pipe, crushing or filling septic tanks and probably a hardship for some folks - but in my opinion, it is money well spent.  It is necessary. I hope it's helpful.

Cyclist

Some place are just not meant to be inhabited.  All the houses on islands in the Hommassa river?

https://www.swfwmd.state.fl.us/sites/default/files/medias/documents/Homosassa River SWIM Plan_0.pdf

ANUMBER1

Cyclist said:

Some place are just not meant to be inhabited.  All the houses on islands in the Hommassa river?

https://www.swfwmd.state.fl.us/sites/default/files/medias/documents/Homosassa River SWIM Plan_0.pdf

I agree, like the recharge areas.

surfman

I remember some floating houses on the Chaz way back, Haven't been there in a while, most were in bad shape.

pje

https://youtu.be/DRMLCVgP3S4

FloridaOD

Send it South, ( in other words.... let it Flow) per the System as championed by Art Marshall.

ANUMBER1

it won't flow south anymore..  do some research..

lemaymiami

But if we can clean it up enough we could pump it south  until it begins to go that way on it's own.....

aimlow

The Lake O problem is not necessarily septic related.  Again, I'm new and dredging old issues.  Indian/Banana lagoons, septic is an issue.  But not Lake O.  Sure, it contributes, but not to the extent runoff from Orange county and the Kissimmee River basin do.  Friggin' big sugar blocks the natural flow-way, but contributes few pollutants..the fields are below the lake level, and drain south.

What's destroying the 'glades?  Pythons and other non-native constrictors.  Thank you Dade county.

FloridaOD

Florida Sportsman editorial May have cost Matt Caldwell some votes.
Now we will see what the incoming Governor and Ag Will produce.

aimlow

If she believes in global warming and sea level rise, she's worthless.

lemaymiami

One thing to remember... the Ag department with that nice newly elected Democrat... controls and issues concealed carry permits for the state... I think you can be certain that will be a problem under "new management"...

pottydoc

Yup. And I’ll bet a whole bunch of people never thought about that before they voted.....