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  • Cavanaugh68Cavanaugh68 Posts: 535 Officer
    kellercl said:
    IMHO, catch and release defeats the purpose.  I fish to eat some fresh fish.  I have always wondered if fisherman are really the reason why stocks are declining;, versus population, pollution and destruction of vegetation.  Maybe they should charge for access and use the money for a breeding program?  
    So then why are you not complaining about stick marsh 13 or other areas and why is it there CR in these places...? Bass are just as tasty as redfish are.

    They do charge for access.
  • Cavanaugh68Cavanaugh68 Posts: 535 Officer
    ANUMBER1 said:
    ANUMBER1 said:
    spangler said:
    Not to mention, the way that petition is written is horribly leading.  Why the pollution speak?  Why not just say, fishing is poor, we wanna limit people taking them? 

    The reason is, because the author of that petition knew it is a TACTIC that works.  I WILL be sure to point that out to Layne ;)


    He tried this crap last year to get commercial fishing banned in the fuge.

    What he and a few others want is very little competition (or just boats spooking the easy fish) to further pad his bottom line..

    If he was a good fisherman, competition wouldn't be a problem...

    If that petition got 2000 sigs, I'd bet 1500 of them are from blue state women that own multiple cats.
    Crap? No, this was told to the public 10 years ago that it WOULD be closed. Then you pulled this "crap" with legal semantics to get it extended. Every single person said they knew it was shutting down, so for the commercial industry to say they were not amply notified, that is crap. Show me another National Park or Wildlife Refuge in the United States that allows commercial harvest? 
      for one, I'm sure there are others.
    Outside of Florida and on a large scale as in here.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 10,205 AG
    kellercl said:
    IMHO, catch and release defeats the purpose.  I fish to eat some fresh fish.  I have always wondered if fisherman are really the reason why stocks are declining;, versus population, pollution and destruction of vegetation.  Maybe they should charge for access and use the money for a breeding program?  
    So then why are you not complaining about stick marsh 13 or other areas and why is it there CR in these places...? Bass are just as tasty as redfish are.

    They do charge for access.
    I don't fish freshwater and thus do not personally care what happens with bass fishing.  As for redfish, they are grossly overrated.  I'd rather eat snook, mangrove snapper, trout, pompano, sheepshead or blackdrum.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,399 AG
    ANUMBER1 said:
    ANUMBER1 said:
    spangler said:
    Not to mention, the way that petition is written is horribly leading.  Why the pollution speak?  Why not just say, fishing is poor, we wanna limit people taking them? 

    The reason is, because the author of that petition knew it is a TACTIC that works.  I WILL be sure to point that out to Layne ;)


    He tried this crap last year to get commercial fishing banned in the fuge.

    What he and a few others want is very little competition (or just boats spooking the easy fish) to further pad his bottom line..

    If he was a good fisherman, competition wouldn't be a problem...

    If that petition got 2000 sigs, I'd bet 1500 of them are from blue state women that own multiple cats.
    Crap? No, this was told to the public 10 years ago that it WOULD be closed. Then you pulled this "crap" with legal semantics to get it extended. Every single person said they knew it was shutting down, so for the commercial industry to say they were not amply notified, that is crap. Show me another National Park or Wildlife Refuge in the United States that allows commercial harvest? 
      for one, I'm sure there are others.
    Outside of Florida and on a large scale as in here.
    I proved my point and debunked yours..

    As far as legal semantics, we pulled up the original agreement between the feds, the state of Florida, and the general public and asked them to honor their agreement.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,399 AG
    ANUMBER1 said:
    ANUMBER1 said:
    spangler said:
    Not to mention, the way that petition is written is horribly leading.  Why the pollution speak?  Why not just say, fishing is poor, we wanna limit people taking them? 

    The reason is, because the author of that petition knew it is a TACTIC that works.  I WILL be sure to point that out to Layne ;)


    He tried this crap last year to get commercial fishing banned in the fuge.

    What he and a few others want is very little competition (or just boats spooking the easy fish) to further pad his bottom line..

    If he was a good fisherman, competition wouldn't be a problem...

    If that petition got 2000 sigs, I'd bet 1500 of them are from blue state women that own multiple cats.
    Crap? No, this was told to the public 10 years ago that it WOULD be closed. Then you pulled this "crap" with legal semantics to get it extended. Every single person said they knew it was shutting down, so for the commercial industry to say they were not amply notified, that is crap. Show me another National Park or Wildlife Refuge in the United States that allows commercial harvest? 
      for one, I'm sure there are others.
    Outside of Florida and on a large scale as in here.
    and you erased Chassahowitzka... yo s h i t is weak AF.

    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,399 AG
    St. marks is another one,
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,963 Captain
    Reel Teal said:
    No one said you were bad for catching and releasing fish. More like you're bad for trying to mandate it on everyone for no other reason than you want it to be that way.

    And it's funny how guys who never keep fish think someone who does is an enemy. I dont care what you do on your boat as long as you arent doing anything illegal. Anecdotal evidence isn't the best evidence, and heck you cant even see into the water down there, so how would you even know there arent fish. Maybe they've gotten smarter after being caught 30 times a year
    We are not mandating anything. Is this not like a vote or an election? It is either one way or other. Either the refuge is possession or it is not. No in between. We are merely asking them to look at the amount of people who want this to happen. Also I keep seeing where  people are saying it will "pad" my wallet or "my bottom line". When you look at the 2000 signatures most likely only 20 or 40 of those who signed it are legally allowed to conduct charters with the MINWR. So that says that 1960 of those signatures are recreational anglers. Does that not stand out here? So they are the ones befitting.

    Again recs fish here more than guides by a major factor. I would be supporting this whether I was a guide or not, even if I lived in Alaska. Because it is a REFUGE. It is a tiny tiny tiny area in central Florida that is in question. e are not asking for the entire state to go CR.
    I've looked at the people and their reasons for signing the petition. To even insinuate those are all 1960 recreational anglers who fish mosquito lagoon is fake news.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,399 AG
    St Marks is another one.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,399 AG
    My posts (or pieces of them) keep disappearing??
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • pottydocpottydoc Port Saint JoePosts: 4,900 Captain
    I wanted to share this info for those of you to either sign it, or not. I know opinions vary on this as well. What do we have to loose to see where it leads too. I feel like this is a meeting half way point. So the entire lagoon would not be CPR and not all species either. The CNSS would remain the same and the refuge would be CPR.

    A colleague started this and here is what he said. Please sign this and let's see in five years how the fishing is.

    Catch and release possibly coming to Mosquito Lagoon!

    "Last night was the second meeting of the MINWR staff with the permitted fishing guides. At the first meeting, they stated they would NOT be implementing catch and release. This was not well received by the guides, as the over 20 in attendance were all in agreement that catch and release was the right choice. Last night at the second meeting, to everyone’s surprise, they changed their stance and decided to consider making the lagoon catch and release for reds and trout. Layne Hamilton, the superintendent, cited the overwhelming unanimous support from the guides at both meetings as the reasoning for the change of position and consideration.

    The fishing guides are only a small portion of the stakeholders who care about the lagoon. Many more of you all see the need for catch and release to protect what little is left of the lagoons fish stocks. Mosquito Lagoon is without a doubt the least developed and healthiest portion of the system remaining, and thankfully the area where possible protection of the fish can occur by the decision of one person, Layne.

    This would ONLY apply to the MINWR and would not include the Canaveral National Seashore, guides and recreational anglers who fish in the Oak Hill area would still be able to harvest fish for their clients if they so choose. This would also not apply to black drum, mangrove snapper, flounder, sheepshead, etc.

    The proposed plan would be a 5 year moratorium on harvest of reds and trout, to be reviewed every 5 years based upon progress to the restoration of the IRL system.

    We cannot immediately stop the pollution entering the lagoon, but this is one small victory that we the people can accomplish to help protect what remains of the lagoons unique fish stocks that once made this a world famous fishery.

    Please sign and share this petition, it’s critical that we show the refuge that many people support this management change, not just the small group of fishing guides."




    Those 20 odd guides think that the fish in the Lagoon and River belong to them. If they thought they could get away with it, they'd start a petition banning all fishing there unless you were with one of the Chosen.
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