I knew it!!

ANUMBER1

https://news.fsu.edu/news/science-technology/2018/07/31/recreational-fisheries-pose-threat-to-skittish-sea-turtles/

Grouper Genius

To monitor turtle behavior during scallop harvest season, researchers tagged individual turtles with a sophisticated tracking device and released them back into their habitats.

Nah, that won't make them scared of boats and people. 

tag

How can the turtles tell the difference between commercial and rec boats?

spangler

^^hahaha  exactly.  No reason to question the 'science'

@anumb LOL I'm the troll??

You do know this is the Florida Sportsman's Forum.  Not the Commercial Industry Advocates Forum.... right?  Oddly enough.. it isn't the anti-rec forum.  You sure your not paid for all your antics on here?  I'll bet there's some kickback for ya in it somewhere?  right? 

Otherwise, why bother so much?  >8.5K posts.... geez.  Now, I would never waste my precious time to go back and peruse that crazy number of posts, of which would likely be... crazy.  But if I did, I do wonder how it would all add up... lot's of jumping in to defend commercial 'fisherman'.  Lot's of anti-rec.  I've gleaned that in my short time here.  It might actually be that you are the trolliest troll that ever trolled.

If you were at least standing up for the actual commercial FISHERMEN, I would respect you. But your not.  And you're transparent about it.  And it's not in a good way.

Go ahead.  Keep up the search for more bad examples of whatever yall might come up with to protect the commercial sector's 'share'.  And by that, I mean finding ways to consume it all for yourselves.... with fake science.

Rich M

Jack Sparrow & Mr. Gibbs - "What do you know about sea turtles?" 

ANUMBER1

spangler said:

^^hahaha  exactly.  No reason to question the 'science'

@anumb LOL I'm the troll??

You do know this is the Florida Sportsman's Forum.  Not the Commercial Industry Advocates Forum.... right?  Oddly enough.. it isn't the anti-rec forum.  You sure your not paid for all your antics on here?  I'll bet there's some kickback for ya in it somewhere?  right? 

Otherwise, why bother so much?  >8.5K posts.... geez.  Now, I would never waste my precious time to go back and peruse that crazy number of posts, of which would likely be... crazy.  But if I did, I do wonder how it would all add up... lot's of jumping in to defend commercial 'fisherman'.  Lot's of anti-rec.  I've gleaned that in my short time here.  It might actually be that you are the trolliest troll that ever trolled.

If you were at least standing up for the actual commercial FISHERMEN, I would respect you. But your not.  And you're transparent about it.  And it's not in a good way.

Go ahead.  Keep up the search for more bad examples of whatever yall might come up with to protect the commercial sector's 'share'.  And by that, I mean finding ways to consume it all for yourselves.... with fake science.

I posted that for a little tongue in cheek (sic) humor, I find it appalling that someone, somewhere probably got a taxpayer funded grant for that "research".

I do stand up for commercial fishermen at both federal and state levels and I also fish/crab (100%) as my occupation.
I have been active in fishery management and politics for over 30 years..
It's just a slow time of year and I'm home quite a bit so I piddle on the net more..

My name is Art Cannon and I am easy to find, what did you say your name was again?

spangler

ANUMBER1 said:

spangler said:

^^hahaha  exactly.  No reason to question the 'science'

@anumb LOL I'm the troll??

...

You do know this is the Florida Sportsman's Forum.  Not the Commercial Industry Advocates Forum.... right?  Oddly enough.. it isn't the anti-rec forum.  You sure your not paid for all your antics on here?  I'll bet there's some kickback for ya in it somewhere?  right? 

Otherwise, why bother so much?  >8.5K posts.... geez.  Now, I would never waste my precious time to go back and peruse that crazy number of posts, of which would likely be... crazy.  But if I did, I do wonder how it would all add up... lot's of jumping in to defend commercial 'fisherman'.  Lot's of anti-rec.  I've gleaned that in my short time here.  It might actually be that you are the trolliest troll that ever trolled.

If you were at least standing up for the actual commercial FISHERMEN, I would respect you. But your not.  And you're transparent about it.  And it's not in a good way.

Go ahead.  Keep up the search for more bad examples of whatever yall might come up with to protect the commercial sector's 'share'.  And by that, I mean finding ways to consume it all for yourselves.... with fake science.

I posted that for a little tongue in cheek (sic) humor, I find it appalling that someone, somewhere probably got a taxpayer funded grant for that "research".

I do stand up for commercial fishermen at both federal and state levels and I also fish/crab (100%) as my occupation.
I have been active in fishery management and politics for over 30 years..
It's just a slow time of year and I'm home quite a bit so I piddle on the net more..

My name is Art Cannon and I am easy to find, what did you say your name was again?

Is that a threat Art?  Why would I want to find you exactly?  I promise you.  I don't.

You might not understand how this crazy interweb works.  I'm not in the habit of putting my private info out there on a public forum with a bunch of wackos on it, looking at it.  Especially when one of the wackos is specifically asking me for it and telling me that I can find them.  Psycho.

So, are you threatening me?  I'd like to just get that out of the way if that's what that was.  I take threats seriously.

ANUMBER1

spangler said:

ANUMBER1 said:

spangler said:

^^hahaha  exactly.  No reason to question the 'science'

@anumb LOL I'm the troll??

...

You do know this is the Florida Sportsman's Forum.  Not the Commercial Industry Advocates Forum.... right?  Oddly enough.. it isn't the anti-rec forum.  You sure your not paid for all your antics on here?  I'll bet there's some kickback for ya in it somewhere?  right? 

Otherwise, why bother so much?  >8.5K posts.... geez.  Now, I would never waste my precious time to go back and peruse that crazy number of posts, of which would likely be... crazy.  But if I did, I do wonder how it would all add up... lot's of jumping in to defend commercial 'fisherman'.  Lot's of anti-rec.  I've gleaned that in my short time here.  It might actually be that you are the trolliest troll that ever trolled.

If you were at least standing up for the actual commercial FISHERMEN, I would respect you. But your not.  And you're transparent about it.  And it's not in a good way.

Go ahead.  Keep up the search for more bad examples of whatever yall might come up with to protect the commercial sector's 'share'.  And by that, I mean finding ways to consume it all for yourselves.... with fake science.

I posted that for a little tongue in cheek (sic) humor, I find it appalling that someone, somewhere probably got a taxpayer funded grant for that "research".

I do stand up for commercial fishermen at both federal and state levels and I also fish/crab (100%) as my occupation.
I have been active in fishery management and politics for over 30 years..
It's just a slow time of year and I'm home quite a bit so I piddle on the net more..

My name is Art Cannon and I am easy to find, what did you say your name was again?

Is that a threat Art?  Why would I want to find you exactly?  I promise you.  I don't.

You might not understand how this crazy interweb works.  I'm not in the habit of putting my private info out there on a public forum with a bunch of wackos on it, looking at it.  Especially when one of the wackos is specifically asking me for it and telling me that I can find them.  Psycho.

So, are you threatening me?  I'd like to just get that out of the way if that's what that was.  I take threats seriously.

No, I've put my info out on this forum since I joined some 8-10 years ago..
Made some good friends too.

I believe in being accountable for my opinions and views, not just a keyboard cowboy like so many others.


Now get your momma to make you a nice bowl of mac & cheese before you get all worked up.

lol

DOCKSIDE

Rich M

Art -

Spangler aint a bad fellow, he's getting interested in learning how to work with the local governments, water management agencies, etc. 

His main desire to expand access and opportunity for folks.

Spangler - 

Art has been around here for a long, long time.  He's not a whacko who is gonna coma looking for you.  He might take you fishing or let you help him with his crab traps for a day so you can see how he does it and what a normal day is like for a commercial guy.

spangler

The thing is, on these forums, no one give a hoot who you are or what you've done.  It's an exchange of ideas.  One of the great things about a forum.  There's bluecollar, whitecollar, uneducated, poorly educated, doctors, masters, agency folks, stakeholders, plain ole folks, privileged folks..... white, black, brown...  young, old, middle aged...... spammers, bots, etc.etc.etc.  All different perspectives and opinions.

Anyone who wants to put their name, addy, phone # out there for all to see in perpetuity... go ahead.  If you think that's smart.  Or if you need to stroke your ego.  You don't care about privacy?  Great!  Please let me know your login credentials and bank account number/pin too...

On here

Either your ideas are good or they suck.  Or you come off as reasonable, middle of the road, or a koookoo.  Or maybe your good for a laugh.  Or maybe you're just an ****.  No one cares WHO you are on here.  Period.

Hopefully people care about the contributions being made to the collection of ideas.  Hopefully, some of us are trying to solve problems by hashing these things out.  Or, in an unmoderated forum like this, you can add to the pile of garbage.

Sorry if things got a little out of hand here.  I'd like to point out that each time I have to directly confront someone on here, it's in defense of myself.  Some of you guys resort to name calling and bs shenanigans, when you fail to provide adequate logical rebuttals or arguments to begin with.  Acting like children on here all the time.  They might be able to bully some people around like that, I'm not one of em.

I'm happy to disagree with others and have good debate.  You try to paint a bs picture of me or say something about my momma.  Be ready for a fight.

Rich M

You are defending your ideas.  Other folks have other ideas.  

No-one knows for sure which ideas have more experience/education/understanding behind them and which are bunk.  

Some folks hash stuff out starting at a different level than those they are hashing with - it goes all ways here.  You get a kid who has only fished with his dad telling folks how to fish and then you get the charter captain who has taught thousands of folks to fish.  Hopefully we can tell the difference, but not always.  Sometimes that charter captain can't type or spell...

And then there are the trolls and hurt feelings.

Makes us one big happy family - can't choose who is the weird Uncle Lawrance - even more family like. 

I don't think anyone is attacking you personally, just differing from the ideas or the way things were said.

Grouper Genius

spangler said:

^^hahaha  exactly.  No reason to question the 'science'

@anumb LOL I'm the troll??

You do know this is the Florida Sportsman's Forum.  Not the Commercial Industry Advocates Forum.... right?  Oddly enough.. it isn't the anti-rec forum.  You sure your not paid for all your antics on here?  I'll bet there's some kickback for ya in it somewhere?  right? 

Otherwise, why bother so much?  >8.5K posts.... geez.  Now, I would never waste my precious time to go back and peruse that crazy number of posts, of which would likely be... crazy.  But if I did, I do wonder how it would all add up... lot's of jumping in to defend commercial 'fisherman'.  Lot's of anti-rec.  I've gleaned that in my short time here.  It might actually be that you are the trolliest troll that ever trolled.

If you were at least standing up for the actual commercial FISHERMEN, I would respect you. But your not.  And you're transparent about it.  And it's not in a good way.

Go ahead.  Keep up the search for more bad examples of whatever yall might come up with to protect the commercial sector's 'share'.  And by that, I mean finding ways to consume it all for yourselves.... with fake science.

This reads a whole lot more like the aggressor here. 

spangler

No.  You missed the previous thread where anumb said

A.  I have crazy ideas (when all I am doing is standing up for the average guy consistently on here, and the environment)

B.  I am trolling, or

C.  you have a huge inflated opinion of yourself and your place in this world

then continued on this thread

D.  Made his veiled threat (not so veiled to others in the past)

E.  Then made comments about me goin to my mamma

I can see now, being forced to examine at least some threads, that anumb isn't all bad lol  Like i've said, there is a noticeable pattern to him defending the commercial sector, and it isn't at all clear that it's in defense of the actual fishermen.  He's not exactly consistently agreeable either.

Sorry if I'm not subtle to your likings.  Do I sound aggressive?  Maybe.  I'm pissed.  The world is going to hell in a hand basket and some of us are seriously concerned about it.  Others are just helping burn it down and pillage what they can.

Jesus, if I have to I will...  I don't think it would take that long for me to collect a catalogue of examples of bad behavior by anumb on here.  Example after example of him defending the commercial sector.  For what?  They've got their lobbyist. What does the average guy have????? 

But go ahead, call me crazy, while they ensure more and more of their 'share'. 

I'm done with this

Rich M

Spangler - don't go "anti-fa" on us! 

I admit I tend to gloss over the insult and attack stuff - just part of these kind of forums.  Everyone gets into a scuffle every now and again.  No-one is immune.

And while I'm not pro-commercial, he does have a right to defend the commercial sector if he wants.  

Soda Popinski

Rich M said:

Spangler - don't go "anti-fa" on us! 

I admit I tend to gloss over the insult and attack stuff - just part of these kind of forums.  Everyone gets into a scuffle every now and again.  No-one is immune.

And while I'm not pro-commercial, he does have a right to defend the commercial sector if he wants.  

Art has it pretty tough on here to begin with, he's one of if not the only voice of commercial guys on here and they get attacked repeatedly every day.  I don't hold it against him for finding things to throw back on rec guys there's plenty of blame to go round for why things are the way they are.   

I think if i were sitting at a bar having beers with Art we'd get along just fine 

ANUMBER1

spangler said:

No.  You missed the previous thread where anumb said

A.  I have crazy ideas (when all I am doing is standing up for the average guy consistently on here, and the environment)

B.  I am trolling, or

C.  you have a huge inflated opinion of yourself and your place in this world

then continued on this thread

D.  Made his veiled threat (not so veiled to others in the past)

E.  Then made comments about me goin to my mamma

I can see now, being forced to examine at least some threads, that anumb isn't all bad lol  Like i've said, there is a noticeable pattern to him defending the commercial sector, and it isn't at all clear that it's in defense of the actual fishermen.  He's not exactly consistently agreeable either.

Sorry if I'm not subtle to your likings.  Do I sound aggressive?  Maybe.  I'm pissed.  The world is going to hell in a hand basket and some of us are seriously concerned about it.  Others are just helping burn it down and pillage what they can.

Jesus, if I have to I will...  I don't think it would take that long for me to collect a catalogue of examples of bad behavior by anumb on here.  Example after example of him defending the commercial sector.  For what?  They've got their lobbyist. What does the average guy have????? 

But go ahead, call me crazy, while they ensure more and more of their 'share'. 

I'm done with this

I'll tell you just like I told some other yahoo a while back..

I am a Florida sportsman, I hunt and fish right here in this great state...

I hope your mac and cheese is warm and helps you sleep!  lol

Westwall01

This is going well

Rich M

Just like old times.

toomer

My first few reads of Art's posts lead me to think he was pure 100% provocateur.  After awhile, though, a little humor comes through and before long you know he is more than just a bitter net-ban victim.  I look forward to all of his posts.  

Grady-lady

ANUMBER1 said:

https://news.fsu.edu/news/science-technology/2018/07/31/recreational-fisheries-pose-threat-to-skittish-sea-turtles/

Wouldn't it be nice if we could talk about the message instead of attacking the messenger? 

This is how restrictions limiting access begin.  I've observed an increasing hostility toward people as the invaders on public land, or waterways by 'researchers' whose salaries are paid for by the 'people'. 

Of course turtles move out when  scallopers move in - but I've seen sea turtles way up in Dixie Bay and 40 miles or more out in the Gulf - not during scallop season. We can't argue with the documented research - what we can and should challenge are conclusions that shape fisheries policies.

Yes, scallop season is crazy, and inconvenient for non-business owning locals - but it is a relatively concentrated activity impacting a relatively small section for a relatively short period of time in a vast area of sea turtle habitat.  It is also a family friendly activity for which you don't need a large, expensive boat or condo on the water to enjoy. The revenue is no small consideration either.  Before anyone scoffs at that - the better the economy in an area the more money available for environmentally and user friendly policies.

It's not a rec vs commercial thing.  We all have an interest in promoting wise management of natural resources - as well as a stake in challenging the foolish or unnecessary...or the agenda driven uninformed.  

ps - the quote and edit features suc - unless it's user error...always a possibility. 

conchydong

Someone has to catch crabs to dip in mustard sauce. Many of you would feel different about commercial fishing if you grew up around it. A certain percentage of the population are bad "hombres". Lets say 10% of the commercials. Now using that figure, say 10% of the recreational fisherman are bad "hombres" also. Now using the number of recreational fisherman there are, don't you think that would have a huge negative impact on fisheries if these "bad" recreationals were poaching?
There are good folks on both sides of the coin and I believe Art is a good one. I also enjoy his posts.

Soda Popinski

I'd say more than 10% of the rec population are bad hombres.   I'd say 20% are keeping out of season/short fish, 60% are straight googans with no idea what the hell they are doing (judging by the boat ramps I go to) and 20% of rec fishermen actually care one bit about what's going on, obey the rules, and want a thriving fishery.    

lemaymiami

I frequently disagree with Art's point of view - but I also make a point of reading everything he has to say since commercials might actually know what's going on...   I'm a full time guide and I freely admit that most commercials spend twice the time on the water that I'm able to (subtle pitch for more customers....) and that some of their insights need to be heard...

For all you relatively new folks here, remember that recs only pushed for the net ban after years of making reasonable conservation attempts that were rejected at every turn while we watched fishery after fishery go into decline and collapse...  The resulting constitutional net ban more than 25 years ago greatly improved our inshore fisheries while it did put a lot of commercials (the netters and related businesses) out into the cold...  Anyone that grew up in that industry following their own family traditions has every right to **** (and go to court over and over again.... trying to any way possible to be able to return to the business they know....).

By the way for folks who are perfectly willing to break bad here on the forum -I don't see many that are up-front enough to post their name and contact number... If I were running a forum - it would be a requirement - but that's just me - and most days my kids ignore me as well....

ANUMBER1

Thank you guys, I read most of y'alls post to as I'm always willing to learn...
I might troll a bit on other parts of the forum but never in ConFron..



Sometimes though that devil starts whispering on my shoulder and i give in..lol

ANUMBER1

Grady-lady said:

ANUMBER1 said:

https://news.fsu.edu/news/science-technology/2018/07/31/recreational-fisheries-pose-threat-to-skittish-sea-turtles/

Wouldn't it be nice if we could talk about the message instead of attacking the messenger? 

This is how restrictions limiting access begin.  I've observed an increasing hostility toward people as the invaders on public land, or waterways by 'researchers' whose salaries are paid for by the 'people'. 

Of course turtles move out when  scallopers move in - but I've seen sea turtles way up in Dixie Bay and 40 miles or more out in the Gulf - not during scallop season. We can't argue with the documented research - what we can and should challenge are conclusions that shape fisheries policies.

Yes, scallop season is crazy, and inconvenient for non-business owning locals - but it is a relatively concentrated activity impacting a relatively small section for a relatively short period of time in a vast area of sea turtle habitat.  It is also a family friendly activity for which you don't need a large, expensive boat or condo on the water to enjoy. The revenue is no small consideration either.  Before anyone scoffs at that - the better the economy in an area the more money available for environmentally and user friendly policies.

It's not a rec vs commercial thing.  We all have an interest in promoting wise management of natural resources - as well as a stake in challenging the foolish or unnecessary...or the agenda driven uninformed.  

ps - the quote and edit features suc - unless it's user error...always a possibility. 

I was just amazed that grant money and a study was done of something so foolish...
Ok, maybe not amazed, more like appalled.

GL, I've got small Kemps all the way back to my house, they chew the legs off the blue craps in the trap and more every year..
BTW, that kelp grass in the narrows is holding some nice sized (for inshore) mangrove snapper, that not a far paddle for you.

Grady-lady

ANUMBER1 said:

Grady-lady said:

ANUMBER1 said:

https://news.fsu.edu/news/science-technology/2018/07/31/recreational-fisheries-pose-threat-to-skittish-sea-turtles/

Wouldn't it be nice if we could talk about the message instead of attacking the messenger? 

This is how restrictions limiting access begin.  I've observed an increasing hostility toward people as the invaders on public land, or waterways by 'researchers' whose salaries are paid for by the 'people'. 

Of course turtles move out when  scallopers move in - but I've seen sea turtles way up in Dixie Bay and 40 miles or more out in the Gulf - not during scallop season. We can't argue with the documented research - what we can and should challenge are conclusions that shape fisheries policies.

Yes, scallop season is crazy, and inconvenient for non-business owning locals - but it is a relatively concentrated activity impacting a relatively small section for a relatively short period of time in a vast area of sea turtle habitat.  It is also a family friendly activity for which you don't need a large, expensive boat or condo on the water to enjoy. The revenue is no small consideration either.  Before anyone scoffs at that - the better the economy in an area the more money available for environmentally and user friendly policies.

It's not a rec vs commercial thing.  We all have an interest in promoting wise management of natural resources - as well as a stake in challenging the foolish or unnecessary...or the agenda driven uninformed.  

ps - the quote and edit features suc - unless it's user error...always a possibility. 

I was just amazed that grant money and a study was done of something so foolish...
Ok, maybe not amazed, more like appalled.

GL, I've got small Kemps all the way back to my house, they chew the legs off the blue craps in the trap and more every year..
BTW, that kelp grass in the narrows is holding some nice sized (for inshore) mangrove snapper, that not a far paddle for you.

I agree, A#1.   I also read some key words in that study that often lead to restrictions (not always bad, but not always needed).  

I'll try to glide on down that way.  Thanks!

Unnivaho89

defitely agree with Grady lady

surfman

I fish Steinhatchee shallows a lot and I see at least a dozen sea turtles every time I go, even during scallop season, that "study" seems questionable at best to me, not to mention a total waste of money.

GL. more regulations and the desire to kick us off the water is why they do studies like that one.

Malsis

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saltysenior

surfman said:

I fish Steinhatchee shallows a lot and I see at least a dozen sea turtles every time I go, even during scallop season, that "study" seems questionable at best to me, not to mention a total waste of money.

GL. more regulations and the desire to kick us off the water is why they do studies like that one

Gotta use up that grant money....and turtles are a sure fire way of getting more........I used to ask. but gave up..." If the sea turtles multiplied 100 fold , and they were everywhere, do you think they would open a turtle season again ?''.........most never answered, just an evil look.