Beach access in Florida

Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,088 AG
So what is the general feeling about the law going into effect that limits beach access?  Does this mean that the State will charge these new private beaches for replenishment costs?


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  • LostconchLostconch Posts: 121 Deckhand
    I think it is a crime. These rich fat cats will be holding their hand out so the rest of us will be paying to renourish a beach we can't use. 
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,222 Admiral
    We have a public beach up here where the residents of the beach pay a special tax to replenish their Beach.
       The political class couldn’t stand looking at that pile of unspent tax ( about every 3 years), and decided the beach needed a new Beach maintenance program for a mil or 2.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,771 Admiral
    Walton county is in the fight. 
    The problem is that these same property owners have no problem with tax money being used to “renourish” the beach. 
     And the majority of beach properties are owned by people living out of state.  And these homes are either weekend getaways or rentals. 
    http://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Battle-for-public-beach-access-483520221.html
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  • Turner River TerrorTurner River Terror Posts: 5,598 Admiral
    Free The Beach !!
    Seriously..Beaches are for people that don't own Boats..and Chick watching..
    Killin and Grillin :grin
  • mindyabinessmindyabiness Posts: 3,938 Captain
    Florida will be just like Long Island in ten years. You want beach? You will have to pay for it. You want to launch your boat? Where is your ramp license? You need a sticker on your car and your boat.
    Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon... No matter how good you are, the bird is going to crap on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,428 AG
    So what is the general feeling about the law going into effect that limits beach access?  Does this mean that the State will charge these new private beaches for replenishment costs?


    To me, making them private and paying for the re-nourishment goes hand in hand.
  • Turner River TerrorTurner River Terror Posts: 5,598 Admiral
    We have a special Taxing District down here in Marco Island / Naples for a High Dollar area , Hide Away Beach. It's on them...and it's a Pubilc Beach. You have walk like 2 miles to get there because of Private road access only so they County was going to just let it wash away..the $$ Money homes..
    No Public auto access..no public funds...
    Killin and Grillin :grin
  • pottydocpottydoc Posts: 2,289 Captain
    Free The Beach !!
    Seriously..Beaches are for people that don't own Boats..and Chick watching..
    God made beaches because he needed to put something on either side of inlets. Or passes, if you're on the west coast. 
  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 4,891 Captain
    Free The Beach !!
    Seriously..Beaches are for people that don't own Boats..and Chick watching..

    LOL
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,771 Admiral
    It gets even more bizarre. 
    Now beach front owners are demanding that the county stops garbage pickup along the beaches! 
    http://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Beachfront-property-owners-inhibiting-Beach-Operations--487707691.html
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  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,088 AG
    It gets even more bizarre. 
    Now beach front owners are demanding that the county stops garbage pickup along the beaches! 
    http://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Beachfront-property-owners-inhibiting-Beach-Operations--487707691.html
    Seems the county should just cruise by at low tide and violate the owners with trash on "their" beach.  Wonder who they will look to when the next hurricane hits and moves the beach back 100 feet.
  • MelbourneMarkMelbourneMark Posts: 1,552 Captain
    Id love to have a law passed that says when areas are wiped out by a hurricane, the owners get a check from FEMA, and the land is now the states...  we can slowly take back the public beaches that way..  The way FEMA & insurance is set up is to benefit many of the homeowners there.  (i.e. the public subsidizing wealthy homes that have a high chance of getting whacked by a hurricane or natural disaster)  IF FEMA was not in place, their insurance rates would be very very sky high, and would be a limiting factor in so many homes built so close to the ocean. 
  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 8,838 Admiral
    When they start regulating who can run the inlets i'll care.   I can get onto the beach any time I want.  And yet, i rarely if ever go
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • Billy No MatesBilly No Mates Posts: 2,668 Captain
    So maybe Rick Scott did this on his way out in order to increase the value of his waterfront property (and also the waterfront property of his rich friends)?
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 7,471 Admiral
    Maybe those 'communists'  in California are on to something.


     CALIFORNIA  COASTAL  COMMISSION Coastal Public Access Program 725 FRONT STREET,  SUITE 300 SANTA CRUZ,  CA  95060 (831) 427-4875
     
     
     
     SOME  FACTS  ABOUT  PUBLIC  PRESCRIPTIVE  RIGHTS
     
     
    What is a public prescriptive right?
     
    • Prescriptive Rights refer to public rights that are acquired over private lands through use.  Along the California coast the general public has historically used numerous coastal areas.  Trails to the beach, informal parking areas, beaches, and blufftops have provided recreational opportunities for hiking, picnicking, fishing, swimming, surfing, diving, viewing and nature study. The public may have the right to use the property by permission of the owner or the public may acquire the right through use of the property without permission.  
     
    • A right of access acquired through use is, essentially, an easement over real property that comes into being without the explicit consent of the owner.  The acquisition of such an easement is referred to as an “implied dedication”, the right acquired is also referred to as a “public prescriptive easement”.  This term recognizes that the use must continue for the length of the “prescriptive period” before a public easement comes into being.  In California the prescriptive period is five (5) years.
     
    The Commission's interest in prescriptive rights.
     
    • Under the California Coastal Act, Coastal Public Access Program, Public Resources Code Sections 30530-34, the Commission is required to prepare and implement a program in coordination with other federal, state, and local agencies, including the State Attorney General’s Office, to maximize public access.  The program includes a prescriptive rights element whereby the Coastal Commission researches and inventories the historic public use of areas with the potential for significant public access benefits.  Where research indicates that the public use is substantial enough to create potential prescriptive rights, the Attorney General's Office has the authority to proceed with the legal action necessary to protect those use areas.
     
    • On sites with coastal development permit proposals, where investigation shows that public use is substantial enough to create potential prescriptive rights, the Coastal Commission is required to protect those areas of use prior to approving a development project that would interfere with those rights.  The California Coastal Act, Public Resources Code Section 30211, states:
     
    Development shall not interfere with the public’s right of access to the sea where acquired through use, or legislative authorization, including, but not limited to, the use of dry sand and rocky coastal beaches to the first line of terrestrial vegetation. 
     
    Investigating Potential Prescriptive Rights.
     
    • The Commission in conjunction with the State Attorney General’s Office can investigate areas 

    http://https//documents.coastal.ca.gov/assets/access/pr-access-facts.pdf 


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  • 1outlaw1outlaw Naples FLPosts: 739 Officer
    So maybe Rick Scott did this on his way out in order to increase the value of his waterfront property (and also the waterfront property of his rich friends)?

    Rick Scott is from Collier county (He lives in naples) Naples city council was on top of this passed a ordinance allowing public beach access,
    Jason :USA
  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 8,838 Admiral
    1outlaw said:
    So maybe Rick Scott did this on his way out in order to increase the value of his waterfront property (and also the waterfront property of his rich friends)?

    Rick Scott is from Collier county (He lives in naples) Naples city council was on top of this passed a ordinance allowing public beach access,
    So if they did the opposite who is his constituency?  
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,222 Admiral
    Poor communists are idealists. Rich communists use the poor ones to acquire more power, money and ultra rights for themselves. 
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 7,471 Admiral
    dave44 said:
    Poor communists are idealists. Rich communists use the poor ones to acquire more power, money and ultra rights for themselves. 
    Rich folk  are not communist they are capitalists.


    Course you could redefine any label you want to mean anything you want.  But that just makes you wrong.
    “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

    Heres Tom with the Weather.”
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,222 Admiral
    edited July 12 #21
    Gardawg said:
    dave44 said:
    Poor communists are idealists. Rich communists use the poor ones to acquire more power, money and ultra rights for themselves. 
    Rich folk  are not communist they are capitalists.


    Course you could redefine any label you want to mean anything you want.  But that just makes you wrong.
    You’re idealism has clouded your ability to see the truth.
     How much is Bernie worth? ( I know, a one off socialist).
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 7,471 Admiral
    dave44 said:
    Gardawg said:
    dave44 said:
    Poor communists are idealists. Rich communists use the poor ones to acquire more power, money and ultra rights for themselves. 
    Rich folk  are not communist they are capitalists.


    Course you could redefine any label you want to mean anything you want.  But that just makes you wrong.
    You’re idealism has clouded your definitions.
    Those aren't my definitions. They are from the dictionary. 


    Your radicalism is clouding your ability to reason.
    “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

    Heres Tom with the Weather.”
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,222 Admiral
    As long as the communist leaders get to live in splendor by feeding you crap, they don’t care what you’re idealism is.
  • 1outlaw1outlaw Naples FLPosts: 739 Officer
    1outlaw said:
    So maybe Rick Scott did this on his way out in order to increase the value of his waterfront property (and also the waterfront property of his rich friends)?

    Rick Scott is from Collier county (He lives in naples) Naples city council was on top of this passed a ordinance allowing public beach access,
    So if they did the opposite who is his constituency?  
    We the people? Naples is a tourist town with gorgeous beaches. Alot of the beach has homes on it. If they were to limit access we would lose more then half of our beaches.
    Jason :USA
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 7,471 Admiral
    dave44 said:
    As long as the communist leaders get to live in splendor by feeding you crap, they don’t care what you’re idealism is.
    If they live in splendor they're not really communists.  Just another set of oligarchs. They are the big fish eating the little fish. 

    That's like calling a pedophile priest a holy man.  The reality is totally opposite.
    “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

    Heres Tom with the Weather.”
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,222 Admiral
    I see Mr Dawg. You feel Communism is utopia. But someone is always above the masses, That’s why it doesn’t work. The final failure of Marxist logic is human nature.
  • saltyreefersaltyreefer Posts: 154 Deckhand
    Not like it used to be...in many ways
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,222 Admiral
    Ynotjax said:
    Here in Jacksonville we have constant beach and dune restoration projects.  Here we have full public access in Atlantic, Neptune, Jacksonville beach, You go South to St Johns County no beach restoration,  the snobby rich folks blocked almost all public access even for neighbors living across the street.  Guess what no funding all the way from the TPC to St Augustine.  Guess what is happening houses falling into the beach and crying about no funding.  Sea walls have to be privately funded.  

    So so the way I look at it if you want to block the public you have consequences.  

    I will I’ll have a fit if the state fills in the beachs in St Johns County and public access is still blocked off.  
    I agree. Private beaches are for private islands.
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 7,471 Admiral
    dave44 said:
    I see Mr Dawg. You feel Communism is utopia. But someone is always above the masses, That’s why it doesn’t work. The final failure of Marxist logic is human nature.
    Not at all. I favor human rights over corporate rights. Capitalism is fine but it has to be regulated.  An artificial person (legal definition) has no morality. Profit is the only goal.  We have a capitalist economic system regulated by our democratically elected government  and with taxes collected on profit to fund social programs.  It's a mixture of both. 

    Any system depends upon the integrity of the human beings within that system.  
    Why just think what would happen if a totally unscrupulous demagogue were to become the most powerful person in our government. That person could  roil  relationships with our allies who share our values and that person  might even sell us out to our adversaries for persona profit.

    It's make Hoover days look like good times.
    “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

    Heres Tom with the Weather.”
  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,799 Admiral
    OK, so there are a couple of lots on Deerfield Beach running from the sidewalk to about 75' from the water. The owner pays over $15K a year in property taxes.

    Should he be allowed to restrict access? I think he should.
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