Constitution: Article 4 - Section 4

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  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 22,962 AG
    They don't tear families apart and blame the opposition party for their own actions.

    So, do you have a problem if we hold both the illegal immigrant and the company or person who employs them responsible, or do you think that today's policy of separating families as a deterrent is the better way to go?
    The family separation gig is just a Democrat propaganda tool,  the Guatamala people are sending their children by themselves so they obviously have no problem with separating their families and thus this would no be a deterrent for us to use and be effective .......
    Yes, clearly it's all fake news.  lol

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/10/us/border-patrol-texas-family-separated-suicide.html

    Nope, never happened. 

    Might as well give it up. You can't fix this kinda problem with facts and legit news sources as they are more issues involved than just not getting it.
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  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 3,654 Captain
    You're probably right. 

    I'm hard headed.
    And don't forget "Thick"........ :D
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  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,426 AG
    edited July 2 #34
    Not thick headed, just smarter than you.
  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 3,654 Captain
    Not thick headed, just smarter than you.
    No question about that......... B)
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  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,766 Admiral
    So explain those pics and video of all those kids riding the tops of freight trains thru Mexico. 
     News flash, if you as an American citizen gets arrested for any crime you ain’t taking your rug rats to jail with you. 
    Leave your tricycle motor in your hot car while your slamming cocktails in the lounge and see how fast your separated from your kid. 
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  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 3,654 Captain
    So explain those pics and video of all those kids riding the tops of freight trains thru Mexico. 
     News flash, if you as an American citizen gets arrested for any crime you ain’t taking your rug rats to jail with you. 
     
    Oh, the horror.  The family was RIPPED APART after the father was convicted of child abuse.......how can we condone this barbaric brutality toward THE CHILDREN.......... :D :) :p :D B)
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  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 22,962 AG
    edited July 2 #38
    So explain those pics and video of all those kids riding the tops of freight trains thru Mexico. 
     News flash, if you as an American citizen gets arrested for any crime you ain’t taking your rug rats to jail with you. 
     
    Oh, the horror.  The family was RIPPED APART after the father was convicted of child abuse.......how can we condone this barbaric brutality toward THE CHILDREN.......... :D :) :p :D B)
    Easy on the BS fella. You are off the deep end, kind like your hero mel.
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  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,426 AG
    edited July 2 #39
    News Flash:  If a US citizen parent commits a crime and goes to jail, they don't put their children in cages.

    Some people condone the barbaric behavior of putting children in cages because of their politically-induced fear and their ability to dehumanize immigrants.
  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 3,654 Captain
    Remember the cage photos were from the last administration .  They are being sent to military bases now, kinda like summer camp that their parents could never afford...........
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  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,086 AG
    Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.
    Sure it is... it has all the hallmarks of an invasion.

    An immigrant presents themselves at the border at legal entry point and asks for entry and the reasons why.
    An invader claims they have no need to justify their entry and takes what they want.

    There is no due process for someone who enters illegally
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 22,962 AG
    Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.
    Sure it is... it has all the hallmarks of an invasion.

    An immigrant presents themselves at the border at legal entry point and asks for entry and the reasons why.
    An invader claims they have no need to justify their entry and takes what they want.

    There is no due process for someone who enters illegally
    An invasion of American farms to pick fruit.
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  • fins4mefins4me Posts: 14,110 AG
    To you, I'm sure it does.

    To the illegal immigrant it looks like a better life.
    People from all corners of the world would like to join us. 


    Sorry,,, no vacancy. Direct that energy toward improving your home instead of trying to break into ours. 
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  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 556 Officer
    It grows in your backyard. I had no use for it back home.
    Here I have it, what do you do with it? We know how it works.



    For sale five dollars.


    We all new what we were doing until DropTheHammer showed up.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,766 Admiral
    News Flash:  If a US citizen parent commits a crime and goes to jail, they don't put their children in cages.

    Some people condone the barbaric behavior of putting children in cages because of their politically-induced fear and their ability to dehumanize immigrants.
    And those illegal foreign nationals are not in cages either. 
     The elementary school down the street has chain link fence around it too. 
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  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 556 Officer
    We all new what we were doing until DropTheHammer showed up.
  • FinfinderFinfinder Posts: 9,618 Admiral
    We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.  In the year I spent there, I never saw even a single piece of graffiti.

    What's your point?
    What is your point we should cane the illegals before we send them back? 
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 834 Officer
    I still want to know what they do in Singapore with the kids of the criminals, after the criminals are caned and put in jail. Tarponator  said we could learn from them.
  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 24,452 AG
    I think someone else already brought this up but no response was given.

    When an employer is given the proper documentats for employment, but the individual obtained them illegally, who do you believe should be held responsible?
    As long as the employer did his due diligence and had no reason to suspect they were fake, he should be in the clear. They should go after the employee, but most times the government don't care. 

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  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,426 AG
    edited July 8 #50
    Gary S said:
    I still want to know what they do in Singapore with the kids of the criminals, after the criminals are caned and put in jail. Tarponator  said we could learn from them.
    Your lesson starts with "not putting their children in cages" and continues through "not deporting their parents and putting their children in foster care".

    That's not really what I was talking about at all, but since you asked.
  • Turner River TerrorTurner River Terror Posts: 5,593 Admiral
    Sooo, Mike..What do they do with the Dang Children..?
    Parents are in jail and Illegal..Do they have a little Disney World for the kids..
    Mary Poppins Magic House with Mr. Rodgers and Milk shakes every day ?
    Don't beat around the bush , I know you can out type me and go on and on.
    What happens to the Kids when their Illegal parents go to the Slammer.
    Thanks...Ed.
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  • Gary SGary S Posts: 834 Officer
    Gary S said:
    I still want to know what they do in Singapore with the kids of the criminals, after the criminals are caned and put in jail. Tarponator  said we could learn from them.
    Your lesson starts with "not putting their children in cages" and continues through "not deporting their parents and putting their children in foster care".

    That's not really what I was talking about at all, but since you asked.
    Well teacher, were do they go? 
    And you were saying we should be more like Singapore wasn't you? 
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,766 Admiral
    Gary S said:
    Gary S said:
    I still want to know what they do in Singapore with the kids of the criminals, after the criminals are caned and put in jail. Tarponator  said we could learn from them.
    Your lesson starts with "not putting their children in cages" and continues through "not deporting their parents and putting their children in foster care".

    That's not really what I was talking about at all, but since you asked.
    Well teacher, were do they go? 
    And you were saying we should be more like Singapore wasn't you? 
    The teacher opened mouth and inserted foot. 
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  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,218 Admiral
    Gary S said:
    Gary S said:
    I still want to know what they do in Singapore with the kids of the criminals, after the criminals are caned and put in jail. Tarponator  said we could learn from them.
    Your lesson starts with "not putting their children in cages" and continues through "not deporting their parents and putting their children in foster care".

    That's not really what I was talking about at all, but since you asked.
    Well teacher, were do they go? 
    And you were saying we should be more like Singapore wasn't you? 
    The teacher opened mouth and inserted foot. 
    Again.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,426 AG
    edited July 8 #55
    They treat the children humanely -- not caged like animals, not misplaced, and not used as a deterrence. 

    They also hold their employers and harborers responsible.

    You know, like we should be doing.
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 834 Officer
    They treat the children humanely -- not caged like animals, not misplaced, and not used as a deterrence. 

    They also hold their employers and harborers responsible.

    You know, like we should be doing.
    Are they treated humanely with their parents?
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 3,811 Captain
    edited July 9 #57
    They treat the children humanely -- not caged like animals, not misplaced, and not used as a deterrence. 

    They also hold their employers and harborers responsible.

    You know, like we should be doing.
    Where do the children go in Singapore if their parents are arrested? Do you really know or just pontificating?

    Immigration offences

    Immigration offences in Singapore are governed by Section 57 Immigration Act.

    Attempting to unlawfully enter Singapore
    According to Section 57(1)(A), anyone who attempts to enter into singapore unlawfully, shall be punished with imprisonment of up to 2 years and shall also be liable for a fine of up to $4,000.

    Abetting any person to unlawfully enter Singapore
    According to Section 57(1)(a), anyone who abets another to unlawfully enter into singapore, shall be punished with imprisonment for a period between 6 months and 2 years, and where the offence is abetted and punishable with caning, shall be punished with caning with not less than 3 strokes, or in any other case, shall also be liable for a fine of up to $6,000.



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  • Turner River TerrorTurner River Terror Posts: 5,593 Admiral
    All we know is Their treated Humanely....That's what Mike says..
    Are they in Motel 6 ?..Free Croissants and Coffee.
    Maybe ICE should take the zillion Kids to Disney and Summer Camp..Kum Ba Ya and all that.
    They have Thousands of rug rats that never had a Flush Toilet and don't speak the Local Language....Disney !!! that'll wear them out.
    I'll start a Go Fund Me for little Maria so she can be Princess for a Day.
    The Kids are TOOLS , Nothing more. just like the Big eyed Dogs on that Humane Society commercial
    Killin and Grillin :grin
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,426 AG
    edited July 10 #59
    Listen, if you think that putting kids in cages, separating them from their parents, and using all that as a deterrence to stop illegal immigration, that's cool.  You're entitled to your opinion, even if I completely disagree.

    The point about Singapore is that they don't have the problems we do -- however they face many of the same challenges including their advanced economy versus those around it and a large migrant workforce.  They do it because of their strong enforcement and stiff sentencing (i.e., "they don't play in Singapore"), along with a recognition of the need for imported labor and seeking to mainstream it rather than vilify it.

    Now, if you'd like to continue down the differences between the way Singapore treats children of illegals, I'm happy to -- I've just gotten off the phone with colleagues there and got the low down.  In short, they don't imprison minors whose parents are deported -- to the contrary, in all but the most extenuating circumstances (for instance, someone who commits drug offenses or other serious crimes) they simply tell the family to leave and give them time to do so.  Unlike the USA, you can't really hide in the city-state of Singapore, so when the government shows up at your apartment, you generally do what they say -- otherwise they come again the following week and take you to the airport, deport you and fine you for the ticket.  That said, if a person is incarcerated, mothers (but not fathers) are allowed to keep children with them by law in jail with them until age 3, and longer depending on the situation.  Otherwise, the children are placed with their family, and if that's not feasible, they are either deported back to their family in their home country or placed in foster care generally as a last resort.

    So, to summarize, Singapore not only uses a strong approach of law with stiff punishments -- even stronger than our own -- but still don't resort to extortion by child.  They are also much stronger against those who employ and harbor illegals -- again, something we might consider.  They also don't coddle those in jail -- they sleep on the floor, don't have a bed, and most prisoners spend 23 hours in their cell.  They physically punish law breakers -- not a half bad idea, if you ask me.  They do all this without separating children from their families, much less lauding it as a deterrence.

    We could learn a lot from them. 

    Sincerely, Your Law and Order Friend and Alleged Liberal, who really just thinks we should go harder on those who commit these crimes and those who enable, employ, and harbor them and leave the **** kids out of it...Mike

    p.s. kids are not tools.  kids are kids, you heathens.  :)
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,766 Admiral
    Where are these “cages”? Just because there is a chain link fence surrounding the area doesn’t mean it’s a cage. Every school around here looks like a prison now. 
     The overwhelming majority of those kids were separated 1500 miles away back in their home country. 
    Which speaks volumes about their “parents “. 
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  • Gary SGary S Posts: 834 Officer
    Unlike the USA, you can't really hide in the city-state of Singapore

    This is the biggest difference. I agree with you that the United States should be tougher. I like the idea of being able to tell someone to leave and they do it. By contrast we barbaric Americans savagely give our illegals free housing, free food and free health care and free education. 
     If the area that kept the illegals in one place while awaiting their due process had bars instead of chain link would that make a difference?
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