Constitution: Article 4 - Section 4

Big Battery

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

It would seem that Trump is obligated as well as Congress to close the border and protect the country from illegal invasion.

DropTheHammer

Go tell the judge that you were married in A church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6dglJCzkmU

He's going to resolve every problem but your divorce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwbfWR3VGuc

Tarponator

Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.

HomerSimpson

its important to note the terms used.  undocumented, illegal immigration.....refugees....asylum seekers...ect

not a military issue (invasion) 

treemanjohn

Somewhere in the middle. Tons of drugs,  cash, illegal behavior (even crossing is illegal), felons..... crossing our borders daily

mindyabiness

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion?s=t

AaronCannon

Tarponator said:

Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.

Kinda looks like organized crime though...

Tarponator

To you, I'm sure it does.

To the illegal immigrant it looks like a better life.

mplspug

It looks like a better  life to the theif who steals from you too.

Tarponator

One could surmise that it looks like a better life to those who murder their spouse, too.

That doesn't provide moral or legal equivalence between an immigrant, a thief, and a murderer.

To me at least.  How about you?

AaronCannon

Im not a Lawyer or an Accomplished Troll.
But i see some similarities.

DropTheHammer

Which countries still have stoning?

Modern history. As of September 2010, stoning is a punishment that is included in the laws in some countries including Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Somalia, Yemen and some predominantly Muslim states in northern Nigeria as punishment for Zina ("adultery by married persons").

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGwiZ5zEaRs

Back in the old country that was my neighbor.

nuevowavo

It would seem that Trump is obligated as well as Congress to close the border and protect the country from illegal invasion.

No, not close the border, but stop illegals.

DropTheHammer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpI3EaLfkVQ

You're not allowed to do that. I for got what I did?

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/27/us/teen-ager-caned-in-singapore-tells-of-the-blood-and-the-scars.html

Tarponator

We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.  In the year I spent there, I never saw even a single piece of graffiti.

What's your point?

fins4me

Tarponator said:I

Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.

You prefer infestation as the term du jour.

Reptile Dysfunction

Tarponator said:

We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.  In the year I spent there, I never saw even a single piece of graffiti.

What's your point?

Forced regimentation. It works for the weak.

mustang190

Tarponator said:

Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.

They are illegal foreign nationals. 

Gary S

Tarponator said:

We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.  In the year I spent there, I never saw even a single piece of graffiti.

What's your point?

Is Singapore one of the countries that have caning is used?

Tarponator

Yes.

Gary S

So maybe we can cane all these illegal immigrants.

Tarponator

They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!

However, they also allow people to come into their country very liberally provided they have a job to do / company to work for.  This is a particularly common occurrence in the construction industry (and of all things maids), but overall much more prevalent than the similar work visa programs here USA.

DropTheHammer

I just walked right by.

The illegal dumping in this one area was so bad I can't even explain.
The cops finally caught the guy. Cuffed him, tossed him on the floor and
punted his head A couple of times.

I just stood there and watched.

Jonathan Tyler Lester is an American professional baseball pitcher for the Chicago Cubs of Major League Baseball. He previously played in MLB for the Boston Red Sox from 2006 to 2014 and the Oakland Athletics in 2014.



Is that your kid?

DropTheHammer

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/11/nyregion/taunts-and-outrage-greet-protest-march-in-canarsie.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T23lIM2z5WU

Gary S

Tarponator said:

They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!

However, they also allow people to come into their country very liberally provided they have a job to do / company to work for.  This is a particularly common occurrence in the construction industry (and of all things maids), but overall much more prevalent than the similar work visa programs here USA.

So you are saying that all these illegal immigrants should be caned, and sent to prison. Isn't this what we are doing without the caning? And what about their kids?
 And everyone on this board have said if people come to this country  the right way they don't have a problem with it. Do you have a problem with this country having the same thing that Singapore has?

mustang190

He does. He and others want America to be "fundamentally" changed.
These 3rd world foreign nationals will be obedient do and as their masters tell them. 

Tarponator

Gary S said:

Tarponator said:

They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!

However, they also allow people to come into their country very liberally provided they have a job to do / company to work for.  This is a particularly common occurrence in the construction industry (and of all things maids), but overall much more prevalent than the similar work visa programs here USA.

So you are saying that all these illegal immigrants should be caned, and sent to prison. Isn't this what we are doing without the caning? And what about their kids?
 And everyone on this board have said if people come to this country  the right way they don't have a problem with it. Do you have a problem with this country having the same thing that Singapore has?

Not at all.  In fact, I think we should go farther.  We should hold their employers responsible, just like Singapore does:

In 2016, ICA arrested 1,278 immigration offenders and 351 harbourers and employers of these offenders.

Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/fewer-illegal-immigrants-arrested-decline-in-contraband-cases-la-7588890

However, Singapore doesn't rip children away, put them in foster care, and ship their parents back home.  They simply enforce the law and holds both the immigrant and their employers responsible.

So, do you have a problem if we hold both the illegal immigrant and the company or person who employs them responsible, or do you think that today's policy of separating families as a deterrent is the better way to go?

Enjoy your Sunday....Mike

Walker Dog

I think someone else already brought this up but no response was given.

When an employer is given the proper documentats for employment, but the individual obtained them illegally, who do you believe should be held responsible?

mustang190

So why won’t the powers to be in Washington no mater what side of the political fence go after those businesses? 
 I think we all know that answer.  Schumer and Polosi like those cheap waiters and gardeners. 

Gary S

so you said this,                                                                                            We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.
And I asked, Is Singapore one of the countries that have caning is used?
You said, They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!
I said So you are saying that all these illegal immigrants should be caned, and sent to prison. Isn't this what we are doing without the caning? And what about their kids?
You said Not at all.  In fact, I think we should go farther.

So what more, other than going after employers you talking about?
I agree employers that have not validated a persons status should be held liable.
 Now for the other part, in Singapore when these canings and mandatory jail time happens that you support because of the absent graffiti, what happens with the kids?

Tarponator

They don't tear families apart and blame the opposition party for their own actions.

So, do you have a problem if we hold both the illegal immigrant and the company or person who employs them responsible, or do you think that today's policy of separating families as a deterrent is the better way to go?