Constitution: Article 4 - Section 4

Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,005 AG
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

It would seem that Trump is obligated as well as Congress to close the border and protect the country from illegal invasion.
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  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 385 Deckhand
    Go tell the judge that you were married in A church.



    He's going to resolve every problem but your divorce.


    We all new what we were doing until DropTheHammer showed up.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.
  • HomerSimpsonHomerSimpson Posts: 6,452 Admiral
    its important to note the terms used.  undocumented, illegal immigration.....refugees....asylum seekers...ect

    not a military issue (invasion) 
  • treemanjohntreemanjohn Posts: 2,785 Captain
    Somewhere in the middle. Tons of drugs,  cash, illegal behavior (even crossing is illegal), felons..... crossing our borders daily
    We’re like the piggy bank that everybody is robbing, and that ends President Trump
  • mindyabinessmindyabiness Posts: 3,666 Captain
    Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon... No matter how good you are, the bird is going to crap on the board and strut around like it won anyway. nj
  • AaronCannonAaronCannon Northwest ArkansasPosts: 200 Deckhand
    Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.
    Kinda looks like organized crime though...
    The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.
    Jeff Cooper
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    To you, I'm sure it does.

    To the illegal immigrant it looks like a better life.
  • mplspugmplspug Lake Mary, FloridaPosts: 6,288 Admiral
    It looks like a better  life to the theif who steals from you too.

    Captain Todd Approves

  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    edited June 28 #10
    One could surmise that it looks like a better life to those who murder their spouse, too.

    That doesn't provide moral or legal equivalence between an immigrant, a thief, and a murderer.

    To me at least.  How about you?
  • AaronCannonAaronCannon Northwest ArkansasPosts: 200 Deckhand
    Im not a Lawyer or an Accomplished Troll.
    But i see some similarities.
    The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.
    Jeff Cooper
  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 385 Deckhand
    Which countries still have stoning?
    Modern history. As of September 2010, stoning is a punishment that is included in the laws in some countries including Saudi ArabiaSudanIranSomaliaYemen and some predominantly Muslim states in northern Nigeria as punishment for Zina ("adultery by married persons").



    Back in the old country that was my neighbor.
    We all new what we were doing until DropTheHammer showed up.
  • nuevowavonuevowavo Posts: 6,172 Admin

    It would seem that Trump is obligated as well as Congress to close the border and protect the country from illegal invasion.
    No, not close the border, but stop illegals.
    Federales, bring my baby back to me!
  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 385 Deckhand
    We all new what we were doing until DropTheHammer showed up.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.  In the year I spent there, I never saw even a single piece of graffiti.

    What's your point?
  • fins4mefins4me Posts: 14,025 AG
    Tarponator said:I
    Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.
    You prefer infestation as the term du jour.
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  • Reptile DysfunctionReptile Dysfunction LP - Edge of the Known UniversePosts: 3,089 Captain
    We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.  In the year I spent there, I never saw even a single piece of graffiti.

    What's your point?
    Forced regimentation. It works for the weak.
    "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free" - P. J. O'Rourke
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,425 Admiral
    Illegal immigration isn't an invasion, silly.
    They are illegal foreign nationals. 
    2013 Pathfinder 22 TE , 150 Yamaha,
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 725 Officer
    We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.  In the year I spent there, I never saw even a single piece of graffiti.

    What's your point?
    Is Singapore one of the countries that have caning is used?
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    Yes.
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 725 Officer
    So maybe we can cane all these illegal immigrants.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    edited June 30 #22
    They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!

    However, they also allow people to come into their country very liberally provided they have a job to do / company to work for.  This is a particularly common occurrence in the construction industry (and of all things maids), but overall much more prevalent than the similar work visa programs here USA.
  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 385 Deckhand
    I just walked right by.

    The illegal dumping in this one area was so bad I can't even explain.
    The cops finally caught the guy. Cuffed him, tossed him on the floor and
    punted his head A couple of times.

    I just stood there and watched.

    Jonathan Tyler Lester is an American professional baseball pitcher for the Chicago Cubs of Major League Baseball. He previously played in MLB for the Boston Red Sox from 2006 to 2014 and the Oakland Athletics in 2014.



    Is that your kid?
    We all new what we were doing until DropTheHammer showed up.
  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 385 Deckhand
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 725 Officer
    They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!

    However, they also allow people to come into their country very liberally provided they have a job to do / company to work for.  This is a particularly common occurrence in the construction industry (and of all things maids), but overall much more prevalent than the similar work visa programs here USA.
    So you are saying that all these illegal immigrants should be caned, and sent to prison. Isn't this what we are doing without the caning? And what about their kids?
     And everyone on this board have said if people come to this country  the right way they don't have a problem with it. Do you have a problem with this country having the same thing that Singapore has?
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,425 Admiral
    He does. He and others want America to be "fundamentally" changed.
    These 3rd world foreign nationals will be obedient do and as their masters tell them. 
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  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    edited July 1 #27
    Gary S said:
    They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!

    However, they also allow people to come into their country very liberally provided they have a job to do / company to work for.  This is a particularly common occurrence in the construction industry (and of all things maids), but overall much more prevalent than the similar work visa programs here USA.
    So you are saying that all these illegal immigrants should be caned, and sent to prison. Isn't this what we are doing without the caning? And what about their kids?
     And everyone on this board have said if people come to this country  the right way they don't have a problem with it. Do you have a problem with this country having the same thing that Singapore has?
    Not at all.  In fact, I think we should go farther.  We should hold their employers responsible, just like Singapore does:

    In 2016, ICA arrested 1,278 immigration offenders and 351 harbourers and employers of these offenders.

    Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/fewer-illegal-immigrants-arrested-decline-in-contraband-cases-la-7588890

    However, Singapore doesn't rip children away, put them in foster care, and ship their parents back home.  They simply enforce the law and holds both the immigrant and their employers responsible.

    So, do you have a problem if we hold both the illegal immigrant and the company or person who employs them responsible, or do you think that today's policy of separating families as a deterrent is the better way to go?

    Enjoy your Sunday....Mike



  • Walker DogWalker Dog Posts: 1,682 Captain
    I think someone else already brought this up but no response was given.

    When an employer is given the proper documentats for employment, but the individual obtained them illegally, who do you believe should be held responsible?
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,425 Admiral
    So why won’t the powers to be in Washington no mater what side of the political fence go after those businesses? 
     I think we all know that answer.  Schumer and Polosi like those cheap waiters and gardeners.  :/
    2013 Pathfinder 22 TE , 150 Yamaha,
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 725 Officer
    so you said this,                                                                                            We could learn a lot from the law and order mentality of Singapore.
    And I asked, Is Singapore one of the countries that have caning is used?
    You said, They do in Singapore.   The punishment in Singapore for illegal immigration is a minimum of 3 lashes and prison time.  They don't play in Singapore -- they actually enforce the law....and it works!
    I said So you are saying that all these illegal immigrants should be caned, and sent to prison. Isn't this what we are doing without the caning? And what about their kids?
    You said Not at all.  In fact, I think we should go farther.

    So what more, other than going after employers you talking about?
    I agree employers that have not validated a persons status should be held liable.
     Now for the other part, in Singapore when these canings and mandatory jail time happens that you support because of the absent graffiti, what happens with the kids?
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,226 AG
    They don't tear families apart and blame the opposition party for their own actions.

    So, do you have a problem if we hold both the illegal immigrant and the company or person who employs them responsible, or do you think that today's policy of separating families as a deterrent is the better way to go?
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