Bad Ideas Never Die in Florida

Walker Dog

Opinions vary on whether or not seeking stakeholder input is a bad thing or not. I think not seeking stakeholder input would be a bad idea.

ANUMBER1

I don't take my cellphone to the stand, never have and never will

deerfly

if the FWC is issuing depredation permits then that is implicit acknowledgment that deer numbers are high enough to sustain culling...

So what was the reason again they want to cut the bag limit for public land hunters in this new survey?

I must have missed something. My first assumption was the herd is in dire need of protection from the slaughter they endure on public land. Hence the proposed 1 deer limit and also restricting the youth program. We know those pimple face kids are wrecking the resource and need to be restrained.

But private land with nuisance deer get to whack em and stack em, makes perfect sense...

binellishtr

ask walkerdog to respond to that... my guess is he wont provide a direct answer

Walker Dog

Sorry binelli wasn't aware that reading was a challenge for you. I'll ask if they have it in phonics.

H20dad

binellishtr said:

ask walkerdog to respond to that... my guess is he wont provide a direct answer

And you were again correct. 

N. Cook

Depredation Permits need to be carefully monitored, but they are already few and far between in specific localized areas where deer can be destructive to a crop.  Not really a factor...but subject to abuse for sure...

binellishtr

What about predators un natural predators that are destructive to a herd? Or how about an over abundance of a particular Predator destructive to a herd particular the newest recruitment herd aka fawns? We're so focused on restricting the people that we dont manage the ecosystem anymore. BOHICA

deerfly

N. Cook said:

Depredation Permits need to be carefully monitored, but they are already few and far between in specific localized areas where deer can be destructive to a crop.  Not really a factor...but subject to abuse for sure...

Can we get annualized depredation permit history by say county?

No landowner or lessee names, just an unique id number to collate the number of animals authorized to take and number taken by each permittee each year. So we can see the FWC's assessed limit, actual killed and how many permitee's get a permit more than once. I would be very interested to know the actual numbers here,...

binellishtr

I know a place that used to get hundreds, this yr I dont think they will kill a deer.

ANUMBER1

UF uses a bunch of them on their ag lands..

binellishtr

they fetch a couple hundred a pc on some places..but yeah the deer belong to the state right lol

gladesman

Although supporters/promoters of new tag and report use the "many other states do it - so we need to do it too" and "equitable harvest" sales pitch none of them seem to support knowing scientific data such as how many deer there are to begin with before setting a statewide limit. Here's how similar sales pitches are pitched to brainwash kids in grade school worldwide so they think correctly for the new world order. One can be assured these techniques have been in use since the early 90s after the agenda 21/sustainable development concepts were rolled at the UN's Rio-Summit in Rio de Janiero. Many if not all Federal or State agency staff persons IMO today  had these concepts embedded in them by the K thru 12 thru Phd levels of our education system - to a large extent - so it is no wonder agency don't question but  support almost every proposed restriction that comes along and when they do bawk on one - the real decision/policy makers (e.g. FWC Commissioners) override their recommendations. Yes I know - I'm wearing tin foil again - but scroll thru the cartoons attached anyway just for a laugh and maybe U will quit laughing at some point.  Clik this link to get to source where one can scroll other comical cartoon gallery images of deadly serious subject matter all about homogenizing the worlds population including hunters/customers into one train of thought - https://waterpedia.wiki/image/CL4n 

Pinman

Which one of those fellas on the Earth is H2Odad?  When I read "...homogenizing the worlds population including hunters/customers into one train of thought" for some reason I immediately thought of him LOL 

H20dad

Pinman said:

Which one of those fellas on the Earth is H2Odad?  When I read "...homogenizing the worlds population including hunters/customers into one train of thought" for some reason I immediately thought of him LOL 

I’ve gotten under your skin,  not intentional.  But while you’ll deny it, I get the same reaction from people who have substance abuse issues and deny there is or can be a problem with substance or substance abuse.  It’s denial and a typical denial type reaction. Enjoy your harvesting. It’s ok. 

If if I ever find out you bait ducks I’ll send Johnny law on you. Promise. 

Walker Dog

Anyone who disagrees with the 3 amigos is brainwashed. Got it. Thanks for the update.

Pinman

H20dad said:

I’ve gotten under your skin,  not intentional.  But while you’ll deny it, I get the same reaction from people who have substance abuse issues and deny there is or can be a problem with substance or substance abuse.  It’s denial and a typical denial type reaction. Enjoy your harvesting. It’s ok. 

If if I ever find out you bait ducks I’ll send Johnny law on you. Promise. 

Bring it dude!  Just saw this after I posted on the other thread.

Yes, for some reason Holier-than-thou hunters get under my skin.  Same with spot claimers.

gladesman

Pinman said:

H20dad said:

I’ve gotten under your skin,  not intentional.  But while you’ll deny it, I get the same reaction from people who have substance abuse issues and deny there is or can be a problem with substance or substance abuse.  It’s denial and a typical denial type reaction. Enjoy your harvesting. It’s ok. 

If if I ever find out you bait ducks I’ll send Johnny law on you. Promise. 

Bring it dude!  Just saw this after I posted on the other thread.

Yes, for some reason Holier-than-thou hunters get under my skin.  Same with spot claimers.

Pinman said:

H20dad said:

I’ve gotten under your skin,  not intentional.  But while you’ll deny it, I get the same reaction from people who have substance abuse issues and deny there is or can be a problem with substance or substance abuse.  It’s denial and a typical denial type reaction. Enjoy your harvesting. It’s ok. 

If if I ever find out you bait ducks I’ll send Johnny law on you. Promise. 

Bring it dude!  Just saw this after I posted on the other thread.

Yes, for some reason Holier-than-thou hunters get under my skin.  Same with spot claimers.

I refer to the holier than thou types  as reformed ladies of the night - actually another word beginning with a "W" but wouldn't be politically correct for some here and get censored.

gladesman

Walker Dog said:

Anyone who disagrees with the 3 amigos is brainwashed. Got it. Thanks for the update.

So well brainwashed that they haven't a Clue.

Cyclist

ANUMBER1 said:

UF uses a bunch of them on their ag lands..

Those pesky sandhill cranes....

Walker Dog

gladesman said:

Walker Dog said:

Anyone who disagrees with the 3 amigos is brainwashed. Got it. Thanks for the update.

So well brainwashed that they haven't a Clue.

Agreed. You're not dead though so there's hope for you yet!

FloridaOD

Those pesky well established and powerful Florida Hunters that opposed the Bear Hunt.Not That Hunt, at that time.
Good response to Bad Idea at that time pile....

Walker Dog

Do you enjoy incoherent ramblings?

FloridaOD

Some ideas are so bad they simply must be allowed to play out.

duckmanJR

I read the first page....and the last....and skipped the 10 page train wreck between .... Interesting 

gladesman

Maybe reconsider and read all pages - you'll go away much better informed for your effort. Big problem with hunters being convincing them to take the time to be well informed - and I don't mean just from me - there are so many meaningful comments here it's hard to believe.

Big Mak

He read it... He's just being his arrogant self, and will remain close minded.....

binellishtr

If you take his take as anything more than  hobbit poop, well...

FloridaOD

Another Rediculous Thread

At some point, such discourse will simply cease.
Not even reply from Governor, State and Local Planning interests, FWCC directors or staff will be of consequence.
Because only a reply from those entities would be of value, and that will likely never happen here on this Forum, leaving some of you to focus on forum member.
Dead End.

spangler

http://myfwc.com/about/commission/commission-meetings/2018/december/12/agenda/

Draft Rule – Deer Management. Staff will present draft rule amendments to establish statewide annual bag limits for deer, harvest reporting requirements, additional antlerless deer permit program requirements, and additional youth hunting opportunities intended to accomplish approved Deer Management Strategic Plan outcomes, agency R3 objectives, and deer hunter preferences. Detailed proposed rule language is provided in background documents for this item.

Summary Memo | Presentation | 68A-12.003 | 68A-12.004 | 68A-13.004