FWC Commission Meeting - Sarasota - June 19-20

Walker Dog

binellishtr said:

stakeholders who BITHCH about this n that should NOT have EQUAL say in how the lands are manged. Respect is earned, so should be the chance to express Hunter dissatisfaction without credibility 

I'm guessing you missed the irony of that statement.

Walker Dog

H20dad said:

Walker Dog said:

binellishtr said:

WD is a private land manger..HUGE diff between public land and Priv land management

True.

Whether you agree with it or not, by design, there is a spectrum of experiences available because of the different formats that are offered on public lands. A significant number of public land hunters want the opportunity to experience more than just the romp n stomp experience. Even if it's less frequent. Does that make their views as a stakeholder less valid 

Then keep dinner island the way it is and open the rest of the areas to limited days and unlimited access. Quit keeping the majority of the public hunting land closed to public access. It’s not wise. 

I don't disagree. More access for small game would be a good thing.
I just don't think whats keeping it from happening is what you suggest.

H20dad

Walker Dog said:

H20dad said:

Walker Dog said:

binellishtr said:

WD is a private land manger..HUGE diff between public land and Priv land management

True.

Whether you agree with it or not, by design, there is a spectrum of experiences available because of the different formats that are offered on public lands. A significant number of public land hunters want the opportunity to experience more than just the romp n stomp experience. Even if it's less frequent. Does that make their views as a stakeholder less valid 

Then keep dinner island the way it is and open the rest of the areas to limited days and unlimited access. Quit keeping the majority of the public hunting land closed to public access. It’s not wise. 

I don't disagree. More access for small game would be a good thing.
I just don't think whats keeping it from happening is what you suggest.

Then what is it? Ink too expensive?

Walker Dog

You must be too new here to have seen any of the past discussion on the topic.

H20dad

you like to hunt deer with dogs?

Walker Dog

I've never been.  A good race is fun to listen to, but I prefer treeing walkers.

H20dad

A **** hunter talking game management, got it. 

Walker Dog

Not sure what that has anything to do with but, yes. Glad you got it.

swampwalker

Sounds like (correct me if I'm wrong -H20) you're against dog hunters (a lawful hunting method & long held tradition) and that we're not smart enough to talk game management in a responsible, adult, respectful way...

H20dad

swampwalker said:

Sounds like (correct me if I'm wrong -H20) you're against dog hunters (a lawful hunting method & long held tradition) and that we're not smart enough to talk game management in a responsible, adult, respectful way...

I’ve hunted more states for c.o.o.n.s than deer if that helps you any. Since my nose can’t help me on here I sometimes ask questions to see what others are spreading. 

Walker Dog

Just spraying a little Fabreeze to neutralize a little bit of the odor some are giving off in here. You're welcome.

spangler

Man, 3 minutes.  That's tough.  I'm struggling to express just some fundamentals in that amount of time.  I could almost keep my presentation around 5 minutes...  So much to say...

I feel like since it's my first hello to fwc, i should introduce myself and give a little background.  But dang, I might just need to get to the meat of it.

Population growth, loss of land/conversion, improve habitat, increase access.  Please be more proactive.  Thank you.

bgeorge

spangler said:

Man, 3 minutes.  That's tough.  I'm struggling to express just some fundamentals in that amount of time.  I could almost keep my presentation around 5 minutes...  So much to say...

I feel like since it's my first hello to fwc, i should introduce myself and give a little background.  But dang, I might just need to get to the meat of it.

Population growth, loss of land/conversion, improve habitat, increase access.  Please be more proactive.  Thank you.

If someone else signs up they can yield there time to you per topic and you can get 6 min.  If you want it I am sure I could get someone to do it.

spangler

Nah, I wouldn't want to take someone else's time.  I think we need as many unique voices as possible.  I'll make it work   Thanks again tho!!

And I'll try to get in their ear 'offline' as well

bgeorge

It does not mean that you have to take it from someone who was planning to speak on that item.  Some people are there just to speak on 1 other topic and had no plans to do items not on the agenda.   I yield topic time from time to time because there is someone who needs a little more and is much better suited to talk the details.  All that being said offline work goes a long way.

Pinman

spangler said:

Nah, I wouldn't want to take someone else's time.  I think we need as many unique voices as possible.  I'll make it work   Thanks again tho!!

And I'll try to get in their ear 'offline' as well

Some are there and dont want to speak.   I rarely speak at these meetings and if I was there Id give you my minutes.  You might find someone like that. 

spangler

Ok, awesome guys!

I was able to condense a 3 min presentation that I think works pretty well and makes a point. 

I also, can tack on an additional 3 to illustrate my message with a detailed example (basically my "If you want to Hunt Deer in Tampa" thread), if someone wants to yield there time to me (that wouldn't speak otherwise!).  Yeah, it's self serving in that I will use swfwmd territory as an example.  But it really is the low hanging fruit and should make the most dramatic example of lack of opportunity.  To my point.

gladesman

spangler said:

Man, 3 minutes.  That's tough.  I'm struggling to express just some fundamentals in that amount of time.  I could almost keep my presentation around 5 minutes...  So much to say...

I feel like since it's my first hello to fwc, i should introduce myself and give a little background.  But dang, I might just need to get to the meat of it.

Population growth, loss of land/conversion, improve habitat, increase access.  Please be more proactive.  Thank you.

FWC is well aware of issues mentioned above which they have little direct control of or authority over.

Speaking time is usually better spent if one addresses a particular agenda (in fact I believe one has to pick one ) item listed for that day in detail with 1st hand experience or if speaking off agenda topics sign up to  speak at end of day during public comments on miscellaneous issues not touched on previously but be prepared for some commissioners to be gone by then or burned out on listening to folks unless you can wake them up - maybe a little dance ensemble for a few seconds.

swampwalker

Put yourself in their shoes. A well thought out point is better received than a long diatribe. Think - this is a first meeting of many future meetings.  You want them to wonder who you are and to remember you the next time. Some folks get the wrong kinda tag on them out of the gate and never gain needed credibility. Remember most of them are new at being an FWC commissioner as well. Hope it goes well as you've definitely made some good points on the forum. 

binellishtr

People who are passive, and overall BOHICA and accept it usually get a Christmas card. It's the ones who call a spade a spade that we need more of.

H20dad

Is it true that Elon Musk is selling flame throwers now?

spangler

I'd like to share what I believe may be the most valuable thing I learned from today's meeting.  And advice to anyone interested in becoming involved in the process.

I let bgeorge read my statement and he suggested I explicitly state that I was engaging in the process and becoming and active stakeholder.

I can tell you that I learned an honest introduction and informing staff of your intent, and commitment to be involved, goes a long way!  Probably much more than driveling on about something they've probably heard 1000 times already.  Thanks for the advice Bill!

N. Cook

Well done Spangler.....welcome to the fray.....this was a very tame meeting....it will not stay that way long as the Bear issue cometh!...And after the Deer TAG meeting next week a couple of hot issues, you heard them quietly referred too in my and Chuck's comments, will 'light up" the boards....

bgeorge

spangler said:

I'd like to share what I believe may be the most valuable thing I learned from today's meeting.  And advice to anyone interested in becoming involved in the process.

I let bgeorge read my statement and he suggested I explicitly state that I was engaging in the process and becoming and active stakeholder.

I can tell you that I learned an honest introduction and informing staff of your intent, and commitment to be involved, goes a long way!  Probably much more than driveling on about something they've probably heard 1000 times already.  Thanks for the advice Bill!

It was great to finally get to meet you face to face.  Getting started is the hardest part.  As you can see each meeting is run by an agenda.  Most of the items have comment times.  Take a moment and be supportive when you can. The most influence you may have is to work with staff prior to the meeting on an item.  On occasion things are tweaked at the meeting and rarely they vote against staffs recommendations.  It is important for the public to effectively convey what our experiences are.  Your impressions are important as you are in that group of people who are trying to learn to hunt on public lands.  Your view and perceptions are going to be different than Newton's, Chuck's and myself.  As you can see many of us took the time to talk to the commissioners after the formal meeting.  It is good to let everyone get to know you.  Hope to see you continue to stay active in the process.

spangler

Thanks Newton.  It was great to meet you!  I was hoping to see you today so I could thank you for the kind words about me at the podium.  Thank you sir, very much appreciated.

I'm pretty sure I can make the deer tag meeting next week too, I believe you mentioned it was in Ocala and that it is open to the public.  Thursday, right?  I can't seem to find the details on it.  I'll PM you if you don't mind passing that along.

Bill, it was great to meet you too!  There's definitely a learning curve for me as far as the process is concerned.  I learned a lot tho.  It will take me some time to warm up to being chatty with the commissioners   I've never been a mingling type..  I did speak with several staff members, whom fortunately approached me after my presentation, that I will be working with soon and are going to help get me engaged.

spangler

And hey, the reason I was expecting Newton, was because I 'thought' there was Draft Rule – Rule 68A-13.003 Migratory bird hunting regulations, on the agenda today.  But they ended things before any of the items under 'Consent Agenda' were addressed.

What exactly is consent agenda?  And why didn't they cover any of it?

bgeorge

Consent agenda is items that they vote on as a whole with no discussion. If you notice on the beginning of the agenda one of the items is to accept minutes and approve consent agenda.  You had not gotten there yet.  If there is suddenly a bunch of interest they can pull it off of the consent agenda and add it to the talking items.  Usually it is stuff that is non alarming with an occasional hope no one is looking.  

binellishtr

Bunch of us fought hard to have the walk in STA added to the agenda a couple months ago.. you have to watch whats on and not on for sure!

spangler

swampwalker said:

Put yourself in their shoes. A well thought out point is better received than a long diatribe. Think - this is a first meeting of many future meetings.  You want them to wonder who you are and to remember you the next time. Some folks get the wrong kinda tag on them out of the gate and never gain needed credibility. Remember most of them are new at being an FWC commissioner as well. Hope it goes well as you've definitely made some good points on the forum. 

For anyone that stumbles across this thread, and makes it through all the... I think this is really important too.

I kinda got the feeling that the public statements, not on the agenda, is probably the commissioners least favorite part.  One guy got up and made a very concise and direct statement, no bs.  They really appreciated that and commented about that is was a great example of how to make good use of your 3 minutes.  I also think taking 6 minutes makes them, really not pleased lol  Not saying you shouldn't use it if needed, but you should probably be very selective about doing it. That or be a very good orator.

I can tell you, some that I saw that took 6 minutes (and ran over), were painful. 

And yes, give the accolades when do!  Everyone likes that.  And clearly they do to ;D

Something else..

I've noticed the presence of a particular, organized and diligent, animal rights group at virtually every agency meeting I've been too.  I think you'd be surprised where they are showing up.  Pretty much everywhere.  We need some of that.

N. Cook

You think the animal rights group was there at this meeting...just wait....the bear hunt will bring bus loads...most of this group of Commissioners have not experienced a true dust up....there can be close to 100 speakers on bear and panther issues....90% anti hunting "animals are like people" types...I have been to meetings that ran close to 9 PM....I believe the Staff has added language in the rules allowing a 6 pm shut off....to help prevent that.....That means we will have to get our speakers registered FIRST when Staff arrives at the sign up table.  All this will begin as soon as the election is over....