Venezuela named world's most dangerous country

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(CNN) - Venezuela ranked as the most dangerous country in the world for the second straight year according to a new Gallup survey, falling below conflict-torn nations including Afghanistan and South Sudan in terms of perceptions of security.

Among the findings, the survey revealed that 42% of Venezuelans had property or money stolen in 2017, and nearly 25% of Venezuelans had been assaulted, one of the highest rates of assault in the world, according to the survey. And while almost 70% of people interviewed across all 142 countries were confident in their local police, that number drops to 24% for Venezuelans. Only 17% of Venezuelans felt safe walking home at night compared to the world average of 68%.                     

The Gallup survey -- titled 2018 Global Law and Order -- uses a composite index based on citizens' perceptions of security, such as confidence in local police, feelings of personal safety and the prevalence of assault or theft in the past year. The results of the survey are based on interviews with around 1,000 people in each of the 142 countries that participated in the 2017 study.
Venezuela has been in a state of crisis for years, roiled by political turmoil, mass protests, food and medicine shortages, a soaring drug trade and one of the highest homicide rates in the world, according to the Venezuelan Violence Observatory.
Singapore, Norway and Iceland scored highest, respectively, for law and order, while Venezuela, Afghanistan and South Sudan scored the lowest.

The insecurity in Venezuela underlines a larger trend in Latin America and the Caribbean, which has suffered from perennially high levels of insecurity. Collectively, the region has had the lowest scores for law and order for the past two years.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/international/venezuela-named-worlds-most-dangerous-country-again-poll-finds

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  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,273 AG
    edited June 8 #2
    While I fully expect the knuckle-draggers to suggest this is a socialism problem, the facts are that Latin America and the Carribean have lots of problems regardless of political system.

    Not surprising to me that Singapore came out on top.  A city-state is easier to police than a large country, and they don't play.
  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,015 AG
    edited June 8 #3
    From: 1 June 2012


    Venezuela bans private gun ownership

    The ban is the latest attempt by the government to improve security and cut crime ahead of elections in October

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430


    I guess that didn't work out too well.

  • MelbourneMarkMelbourneMark Posts: 1,512 Captain
    but...but...but... that wasnt real socialism!!!!   

    typical response.. from leftist

    Venezuela should be a paradise.  beautiful country, beautiful climate, AND the worlds largest known oil reserves....  IF socialism or communism could ever work in reality; this would have been a perfect test case...but, you know, it turns out that "democratic-socialism" is a flawed idea and will NEVER work in reality..  

    But, dont worry, someone will be along shortly to tell me how wrong I am...despite all the evidence against it. 
  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,624 Admiral
    IF Mr. Trump had any cojones we'd go down there and end the problem in one day.

    It is utterly ridiculous what Maduro is doing to his country.
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  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,555 Admiral
    edited June 8 #6
    The “knuckle draggers” are the ones who are blind to what socialism can do to a once prosperous country. To compare Venezuela’s past prosperity to other 3rd world central America countries is preposterous. 
     By the way, where are all those Hollywood scumbags who were praising Chavez and the socialist system??
     Their silence is deafening. 
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  • ScoutboatScoutboat Posts: 1,800 Captain
    Cane Pole said:
    IF Mr. Trump had any cojones we'd go down there and end the problem in one day.

    It is utterly ridiculous what Maduro is doing to his country.
    Haven't we done enough "Nation Building"?

  • td.td. Posts: 4,695 Captain
    Cane Pole said:
    IF Mr. Trump had any cojones we'd go down there and end the problem in one day.

    It is utterly ridiculous what Maduro is doing to his country.
    Why?  Not our country, continent or people.  We aren't the world's police force.
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,017 Admiral
    td. said:
    Cane Pole said:
    IF Mr. Trump had any cojones we'd go down there and end the problem in one day.

    It is utterly ridiculous what Maduro is doing to his country.
    Why?  Not our country, continent or people.  We aren't the world's police force.
    I believe Woodrow Wilson and Roosevelt said the same thing.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,273 AG
    edited June 8 #10

    but...but...but... that wasnt real socialism!!!!   

    typical response.. from leftist

    Venezuela should be a paradise.  beautiful country, beautiful climate, AND the worlds largest known oil reserves....  IF socialism or communism could ever work in reality; this would have been a perfect test case...but, you know, it turns out that "democratic-socialism" is a flawed idea and will NEVER work in reality..  

    But, dont worry, someone will be along shortly to tell me how wrong I am...despite all the evidence against it. 
    By evidence, do you mean that the three safest countries in the world are all "democratic-socalist" countries?  

    You don't make it hard, Mark.
  • ScoutboatScoutboat Posts: 1,800 Captain
    dave44 said:
    td. said:
    Cane Pole said:
    IF Mr. Trump had any cojones we'd go down there and end the problem in one day.

    It is utterly ridiculous what Maduro is doing to his country.
    Why?  Not our country, continent or people.  We aren't the world's police force.
    I believe Woodrow Wilson and Roosevelt said the same thing.

    dave44 said:
    td. said:
    Cane Pole said:
    IF Mr. Trump had any cojones we'd go down there and end the problem in one day.

    It is utterly ridiculous what Maduro is doing to his country.
    Why?  Not our country, continent or people.  We aren't the world's police force.
    I believe Woodrow Wilson and Roosevelt said the same thing.
    Different time, different circumstances .
    We tried nation building in Vet Nam, resulting in the loss of 50,000 young lives.
    We tried to do the same thing in Iraq and now Afghanistan.
    The only winners are the contractors who supply arms.
    Eisenhower warned us about the military/industry complex.
  • MelbourneMarkMelbourneMark Posts: 1,512 Captain

    but...but...but... that wasnt real socialism!!!!   

    typical response.. from leftist

    Venezuela should be a paradise.  beautiful country, beautiful climate, AND the worlds largest known oil reserves....  IF socialism or communism could ever work in reality; this would have been a perfect test case...but, you know, it turns out that "democratic-socialism" is a flawed idea and will NEVER work in reality..  

    But, dont worry, someone will be along shortly to tell me how wrong I am...despite all the evidence against it. 
    By evidence, do you mean that the three safest countries in the world are all "democratic-socalist" countries?  

    You don't make it hard, Mark.


    Actually, they are not.   Large social programs, heavily taxed, yes.  (~40+%)But, the market is more free than our own.  Corporate tax rates are lower as well.  
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,273 AG
    edited June 8 #13
    From: 1 June 2012


    Venezuela bans private gun ownership

    The ban is the latest attempt by the government to improve security and cut crime ahead of elections in October

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430


    I guess that didn't work out too well.

    I think you are confused again.

    In hopes of lifting the cloud of confusion, it might help to realize the country at the polar opposite of Venezuela, that being Singapore, has even more draconian rules against gun ownership.   So, I guess it worked out just fine for them.  Or, more to the point, gun laws aren't the issue here as much as you might want them to be.

    So if it's not gun laws that's the problem, and it's not socialism that's the problem, then what's the problem with those low on this list compared those high on this list?
  • MelbourneMarkMelbourneMark Posts: 1,512 Captain
    Venezuela going socialist was an enormous failure.  To think otherwise is idiotic. 
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 10,273 AG
    edited June 8 #15
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
  • JWTJWT Posts: 373 Deckhand
    Venezuela has been a dictatorship for some time now. the country has been managed in the most inept fashion for a long time. it was once the most prosperous in South America but it's recent descent into chaos is a textbook example of failed policies. they were able to hold the wolves at bay for a while but when the price of oil tanked, they no longer had the benefit of all that cash to compensate for the socialist policies they were funding. the arrogance of nationalizing virtually every foreign investment in the country is now reaping the results of those actions. the recent actions by Conoco Phillips have all but shut down their ability to export what little crude they still are able to produce. that & the Executive orders & sanctions are really biting them now. 

      it used to be such a beautiful place to visit & the fishing was off the charts.......multiple billfish grand slams in a day on the bank. bones in Los Roques............ i used to love to go there but would not consider it any more. 

     Maduro will let his people starve before he will admit he is wrong or accept any foreign aid from the "imperialists". 

    but he looks like he is not missing many meals.................
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 26,439 AG
    Anyone that does not understand the difference between Venezuela and this country should not be posting.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,465 AG
    So this thread isn't political?
    I mean it couldn't possibly be since politics isn't allowed to be discussed.
    Right?
    Or does it just depend on who's doing the posting?
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,555 Admiral
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
    Since your the smartest one on this site why not tell us what caused the destruction of Venezuela???
     I’m sure deep in your fertile mind the United States is the problem?
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  • MelbourneMarkMelbourneMark Posts: 1,512 Captain
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
    Well it sure as hell wasn't the fault of the free-market!! 
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 1,491 Moderator
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
    Well it sure as hell wasn't the fault of the free-market!! 
    No it wasn't. 

    It was human greed, government corruption, Chavez and Maduro and their military cronies. Socialism never had an opportunity to fail. (not saying it would have or would not have.)
    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,017 Admiral
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
    Well it sure as hell wasn't the fault of the free-market!! 
    No it wasn't. 

    It was human greed, government corruption, Chavez and Maduro and their military cronies. Socialism never had an opportunity to fail. (not saying it would have or would not have.)
    Guess that’s why socialism and communism has a bad rap. A lot of people have to be murdered, imprisoned or tortured just to start it.
  • td.td. Posts: 4,695 Captain
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
    Well it sure as hell wasn't the fault of the free-market!! 
    No it wasn't. 

    It was human greed, government corruption, Chavez and Maduro and their military cronies. Socialism never had an opportunity to fail. (not saying it would have or would not have.)
    You are correct on the greed and corruption, but if you don't think the socialist approach to controllng the resources and income of the country combined with corruption didn't aid in driving them to where they are now, you would be incorrect.  A free market would have made it much tougher for Chavez and Maduro to do what they've done, that's an entirely different topic.
  • MelbourneMarkMelbourneMark Posts: 1,512 Captain
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
    Well it sure as hell wasn't the fault of the free-market!! 
    No it wasn't. 

    It was human greed, government corruption, Chavez and Maduro and their military cronies. Socialism never had an opportunity to fail. (not saying it would have or would not have.)
    So, your saying that a large, very powerful govt; coupled with human nature, will eventually lead to bad thingssss...

    hence, why I'm very very against any type of intrusive govt! 
    *im not a repub or democrat btw, they both suck donkey balls 
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,465 AG
    Yep, this thread is not in the least bit political.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 1,491 Moderator
    Yep, this thread is not in the least bit political.

    It is so far a discussion about governmental philosophies. It is not about personal attacks or name calling. Some seem to have a problem keeping the two separate.
    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,465 AG
    Really?
    Is that what your going with?
    Your a Moderator, make the call.
    IS IT POLITICAL OR NOT?
    I guess discussing socialism and dictatorships isn't political at all.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • AbelmanAbelman Posts: 1,853 Captain
    Yep, this thread is not in the least bit political.

    It is so far a discussion about governmental philosophies. It is not about personal attacks or name calling. Some seem to have a problem keeping the two separate.
    Yeah, you people really are idiots. I get trash canned last night for something not even political because it was "political" and I look at this. 

    Back in the day, I was asked to mod OT, I didn't because nobody seems to know who is in charge of this place. 

    I will say, my concerns are still intact. 
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  • Turner River TerrorTurner River Terror Posts: 5,365 Admiral
    Well..That'll fix Venezuela's problems..
    Thanks for posting....
    Killin and Grillin :grin
  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 558 Officer
    It's soccer related.



    Someone forgot the ball. ;)

    We all new what we were doing until DropTheHammer showed up.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 1,503 Captain
    edited June 13 #31
    I'm kind of surprised given Brazil has something like 7 out of the top 10 most violent cities in the world.

    Norway and Iceland scores the highest, based on the posts in this thread I assume those countries are capitalistic???  The idea that socialism equates to violence is as silly as it is stupid.  The issue is far more diverse than simply political system. 

    A political system does not drive violence, culture does.  All political systems can be as violent or nonviolent as the populous dictates.  
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