Bicycle Rider will always maintain that everyone in the world makes terrible uninformed decisions except for himself. That's how the pretentious Elite behave.
If they were on to such great ideas and great plans they wouldn't have to shove it down other people's throats
We’re like the piggy bank that everybody is robbing, and that ends
Bicycle Rider will always maintain that everyone in the world makes terrible uninformed decisions except for himself. That's how the pretentious Elite behave.
If they were on to such great ideas and great plans they wouldn't have to shove it down other people's throats
None of this was about me. It is about the man in the article. Patrick Skinner. And his thoughts on the mid-east war and policing at home. And of course a bunch of people who never read the article I posted.
Great article, just a few select paragraphs below. Read the entire thing...
The Spy Who Came Home
Why an expert in counterterrorism became a beat cop.
No military force can end terrorism, just as firefighters can’t end fire
and cops can’t end crime. But there are ways to build a resilient
society. “It can’t be on a government contract that says ‘In six months,
show us these results,’ ” Skinner said. “It has to be ‘I live here.
This is my job forever.’ ” He compared his situation to that of
Voltaire’s Candide, who, after enduring a litany of absurd horrors in a
society plagued by fanaticism and incompetence, concludes that the only
truly worthwhile activity is tending his garden. “Except my garden is
the Third Precinct,” Skinner said.
The prevalence of high-powered weapons in America is creating an arms
race between citizens and the authorities. Each year, dozens of cops
are shot dead, and officers kill around a thousand members of the
public—often after mistaking innocuous objects for weapons or frightened
behavior for threats. Meanwhile, peaceful protesters are increasingly
confronted with snipers, armored vehicles, and smoke and tear gas. In
the past twenty years, more than five billion dollars’ worth of military
gear has been transferred from the military to state and local police
departments, including night-vision equipment, boats, aircraft, grenade
launchers, and bayonets. “If we wanted an MRAP”—a
military vehicle, designed to protect soldiers from ambushes and
mines—“we would just have to submit an application to the federal
government,” Skinner told me.
According to David M. Kennedy, one
of the nation’s leading criminologists, American policing is practiced
more as a craft than as a profession. “The kind of thinking that should
go into framing and refining what a profession of public safety should
be has still not been done,” he told me. Officers are deployed as
enforcers of the state, without being taught psychology, anthropology,
sociology, community dynamics, local history, or criminology. Lethal
force is prioritized above other options. When Skinner joined the police
force, everyone in his class was given a pistol, but none were given
Tasers, because the department had run out.
At Georgia’s state police-training facilities, the focus is “all
tactics and law,” Skinner told me. Officers are taught that “once you
give a lawful order it has to be followed—and that means immediately.”
But the recipient of a “lawful order” may not understand why it’s being
issued, or that his or her failure to comply may lead to the use of
force. There’s no training on how to de-escalate tense scenarios in
which no crime has been committed, even though the majority of police
calls fall into that category. It is up to the officer’s discretion to
shape these interactions, and the most straightforward option is to
order belligerent people to the ground and, if they resist, tackle them
and put them in cuffs.
“This is how situations go so, so badly—yet
justifiably, legally,” Skinner said. Police officers often encounter
people during the worst moments of their lives, and Skinner believes
that his role is partly to resolve trouble and partly to prevent people
from crossing the line from what he calls “near-crime” into “actual
crime.” The goal, he said, is “to slow things down, using the power of
human interaction more than the power of the state.”
“The
de-escalation calls are so much more draining for me than grabbing
people,” he told me. “My head is humming during the call. It’s
exactly—and I mean exactly—like the prep work I used to do for
the agency, where you’re seeing the interaction unfold in the way that
you steer it.” As a case officer, Skinner drew flowcharts, mapping out
every direction he thought a conversation might go. Now, he said,
“instead of having a week to prepare for the meeting, I have as much
time as it takes to drive up to the call.”
I have many law enforcement and many military in my family. The military members shoot first ask questions later, The LEO's ask questions and hope they don't have to shoot.
Not sure which ones sleep better at night. The one I feel the worst for is my FBI agent niece. She is a fantastic LEO, but probably hard to be in the FBI these days. She has been Fla LEO of the year and is a high ranking FBI agent, but life is tough there these days.
One who might have it hardest is the one who is an Indy Fire Dept guy. Kind of hard to rush to an emergency and give Narcan to the same person six or eight time a month!
Okay, I read the entire article. Now please answer the question from your prospective, not from the prospective of a single police officer in Savannah. How do you perceive Skinner's actions given the two scenarios put forth by Cad. Then answer how you would train officers to react to these two scenarios.
We will never get an answer. Cyclist hates cops for some reason and won't say why or explain anything. he misreads articles and turns them into something they don't say to fit his personal agenda. Sullivan even says in the article that many cops do what he does, they aren't out to shoot everyone or escalate the situation. His only concern is how they are trained and how must of it they pick up on the job through experience.
The reporter tries to slant it towards the weapons and vehicles on his own and cyclist tries to amplify that portion of the article to fit his bias.
I still maintain your understanding of the article is sub par. The main thing is that the money that we spend overseas has little to do with the safety of Americans at home and spending the money on community policing in the states will have a far bigger impact on Americans lives than playing whack a mole with terrorists and creating terrorists by killing innocents.
Cad, your disdain for the media has you jaded and thinking like a conspiracy theorist. The way the New Yorker works is to produce articles that reflect the truth, not to distort words to preach on a subject. That article accurately reflects the experience and opinion of Sullivan, a true hero.
You can maintain any opinion you want. Why would you think I have disdain for the media? The difference is, I know how to read an article without predetermining what the article says before hand. You make up your mind cops were a problem before reading the article and turned the article to fit your beliefs. You demonstrate this by the very title you gave this post, The article was not about "American policing being off the rails". It was about a guy who went from working for the CIA to working for law enforcement. There was some mention of militarism of police forces and you took that as the main focus of the article due to your disdain for police.
The guy was simply giving his experience in being a beat cop now and he even mentions most cops try to operate as he does, I get that he thinks police department needs more money for training and police cars and basic equipment instead of more military type equipment from the federal government,. The issue is the military stuff is retired from military use and is given to local P.D. It is money the feds already spent. To get more money for the other things will result in higher taxes since the feds don't support that but your local taxes do.
As you should be aware of, our local police and sheriffs departments here are always trying to get more money for more officers, training, etc., but our local commissioners keep cutting the budget, 'it has gotten so bad that in the past the Sheriff took his case to Tallahassee to get more money by forcing the local government to loosen their purse strings.
You don't seem to think a reporter puts their own slant on articles, but they do. It is why the reporter used quotes for what Sullivan said and didn't use quotes when he was interjecting his thoughts into the article. it was not a news article, it was a human interest story. It was not meant to be fact based, but give a point of view.
The New Yorker, like many other newspapers have news reports, human interest, opinion, advertising, and more, Their news stories are factual. That does not apply to any of the other stories int he paper.
Cad, your entire discussion is based on your own preconceptions that are largely contrary to one of the main points of the article. Which is, policing in America is becoming militarized and citizens are more and more treated like terrorists or enemies than citizens. Innocent until proven guilty.
Cad, your entire discussion is based on your own preconceptions that are largely contrary to one of the main points of the article. Which is, policing in America is becoming militarized and citizens are more and more treated like terrorists or enemies than citizens. Innocent until proven guilty.
That is not the main point of the article. the article is about a guy who used to be a spy and is now a cop.. There is no mention of citizens being treated as terrorists or enemies of the state. that is your take on the article.
I am beginning to question your reading ability if that is all you got out of that article.
Cad, your entire discussion is based on your own preconceptions that are largely contrary to one of the main points of the article. Which is, policing in America is becoming militarized and citizens are more and more treated like terrorists or enemies than citizens. Innocent until proven guilty.
That is not the main point of the article. the article is about a guy who used to be a spy and is now a cop.. There is no mention of citizens being treated as terrorists or enemies of the state. that is your take on the article.
I am beginning to question your reading ability if that is all you got out of that article.
Just stop it... go back and read the article again.
Just a few examples that prove what I said in my above statement. ALL in Sullivan's own words....
Meanwhile, American police forces were adopting some of the militarized
tactics that Skinner had seen give rise to insurgencies abroad. “We have
to stop treating people like we’re in Fallujah,” he told me. “It
doesn’t work. Just look what happened in Fallujah.” In time, he came to
believe that the most meaningful application of his training and
expertise—the only way to exemplify his beliefs about American security,
at home and abroad—was to become a community police officer in
Savannah, where he grew up.
No military force can end terrorism, just as firefighters can’t end fire
and cops can’t end crime.But there are ways to build a resilient
society. “It can’t be on a government contract that says ‘In six months,
show us these results,’ ” Skinner said. “It has to be ‘I live here.
This is my job forever.’ ” He compared his situation to that of
Voltaire’s Candide, who, after enduring a litany of absurd horrors in a
society plagued by fanaticism and incompetence, concludes that the only
truly worthwhile activity is tending his garden. “Except my garden is
the Third Precinct,” Skinner said.
Skinner always drives with the windows down: he tries to maximize the
number of encounters people have with the police in which they feel
neither scrutinized nor under suspicion. “You sometimes hear cops talk
about people in the community as ‘civilians,’ but that’s
****,” he said. “We’re not the military. The people we’re policing
are our neighbors. This is not semantics—if you say it enough, it
becomes a mind-set.” On days off, he stays at home, tending his garden
and his pets and soaking in his iron bathtub, with an iPad propped
against the faucet, watching standup-comedy routines and studying how
facial expressions and vocal tones can defuse tension. “Little frown
here or little shrug there makes a huge difference,” he recently posted
to Twitter, along with a clip of Ricky Gervais delivering morbid jokes
about orphans and cancer.
In March, 2016, while visiting his aunt in Grand Rapids, Michigan, he
gave a lecture on terrorism at the local World Affairs Council. “We
have become the most fragile superpower ever,” he told the audience.
While Al Qaeda aims to carry out what its operatives call “spectacular
attacks,” he explained, ISIS obsesses over
creating a “spectacular reaction.” As an example, he recounted an
incident in Garland, Texas, in which two wannabe jihadis were killed
after attempting a raid on a provocative anti-Muslim convention. The men
had no coherent affiliation with ISIS; they
merely followed its instructions—which have been widely disseminated by
the American media—to post online that they were acting on behalf of the
group.“If you strip the word ‘terrorism,’ two idiots drove from
Arizona and got shot in a parking lot,” Skinner said. The real threat to
American life was the response. “We shut down cities,” he said. “We
change our laws. We change our societies.” He went on, “We’re basically
doing their work for them.”
“Getting killed by ISIS
in Savannah is like expecting to get hit by a piano falling from an
asteroid,” Skinner said. “It’s batshit insane. Day to day, it’s the
people who are kicking in doors and stealing cars who are actually
making life unbearable.”
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If they were on to such great ideas and great plans they wouldn't have to shove it down other people's throats
The Spy Who Came Home
Why an expert in counterterrorism became a beat cop.
The prevalence of high-powered weapons in America is creating an arms race between citizens and the authorities. Each year, dozens of cops are shot dead, and officers kill around a thousand members of the public—often after mistaking innocuous objects for weapons or frightened behavior for threats. Meanwhile, peaceful protesters are increasingly confronted with snipers, armored vehicles, and smoke and tear gas. In the past twenty years, more than five billion dollars’ worth of military gear has been transferred from the military to state and local police departments, including night-vision equipment, boats, aircraft, grenade launchers, and bayonets. “If we wanted an MRAP”—a military vehicle, designed to protect soldiers from ambushes and mines—“we would just have to submit an application to the federal government,” Skinner told me.
According to David M. Kennedy, one of the nation’s leading criminologists, American policing is practiced more as a craft than as a profession. “The kind of thinking that should go into framing and refining what a profession of public safety should be has still not been done,” he told me. Officers are deployed as enforcers of the state, without being taught psychology, anthropology, sociology, community dynamics, local history, or criminology. Lethal force is prioritized above other options. When Skinner joined the police force, everyone in his class was given a pistol, but none were given Tasers, because the department had run out.
At Georgia’s state police-training facilities, the focus is “all tactics and law,” Skinner told me. Officers are taught that “once you give a lawful order it has to be followed—and that means immediately.” But the recipient of a “lawful order” may not understand why it’s being issued, or that his or her failure to comply may lead to the use of force. There’s no training on how to de-escalate tense scenarios in which no crime has been committed, even though the majority of police calls fall into that category. It is up to the officer’s discretion to shape these interactions, and the most straightforward option is to order belligerent people to the ground and, if they resist, tackle them and put them in cuffs.
“This is how situations go so, so badly—yet justifiably, legally,” Skinner said. Police officers often encounter people during the worst moments of their lives, and Skinner believes that his role is partly to resolve trouble and partly to prevent people from crossing the line from what he calls “near-crime” into “actual crime.” The goal, he said, is “to slow things down, using the power of human interaction more than the power of the state.”
“The de-escalation calls are so much more draining for me than grabbing people,” he told me. “My head is humming during the call. It’s exactly—and I mean exactly—like the prep work I used to do for the agency, where you’re seeing the interaction unfold in the way that you steer it.” As a case officer, Skinner drew flowcharts, mapping out every direction he thought a conversation might go. Now, he said, “instead of having a week to prepare for the meeting, I have as much time as it takes to drive up to the call.”
Not sure which ones sleep better at night. The one I feel the worst for is my FBI agent niece. She is a fantastic LEO, but probably hard to be in the FBI these days. She has been Fla LEO of the year and is a high ranking FBI agent, but life is tough there these days.
One who might have it hardest is the one who is an Indy Fire Dept guy. Kind of hard to rush to an emergency and give Narcan to the same person six or eight time a month!
The guy was simply giving his experience in being a beat cop now and he even mentions most cops try to operate as he does, I get that he thinks police department needs more money for training and police cars and basic equipment instead of more military type equipment from the federal government,. The issue is the military stuff is retired from military use and is given to local P.D. It is money the feds already spent. To get more money for the other things will result in higher taxes since the feds don't support that but your local taxes do.
As you should be aware of, our local police and sheriffs departments here are always trying to get more money for more officers, training, etc., but our local commissioners keep cutting the budget, 'it has gotten so bad that in the past the Sheriff took his case to Tallahassee to get more money by forcing the local government to loosen their purse strings.
You don't seem to think a reporter puts their own slant on articles, but they do. It is why the reporter used quotes for what Sullivan said and didn't use quotes when he was interjecting his thoughts into the article. it was not a news article, it was a human interest story. It was not meant to be fact based, but give a point of view.
The New Yorker, like many other newspapers have news reports, human interest, opinion, advertising, and more, Their news stories are factual. That does not apply to any of the other stories int he paper.
Is this a news story based in truth?
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-appearances/kim-kardashian-meeting-donald-trump-in-the-oval-office-is-a-nightmare-we-cant-wake-up-from
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I am beginning to question your reading ability if that is all you got out of that article.
Former Mini Mart Magnate
I am just here for my amusement.
In March, 2016, while visiting his aunt in Grand Rapids, Michigan, he gave a lecture on terrorism at the local World Affairs Council. “We have become the most fragile superpower ever,” he told the audience. While Al Qaeda aims to carry out what its operatives call “spectacular attacks,” he explained, ISIS obsesses over creating a “spectacular reaction.” As an example, he recounted an incident in Garland, Texas, in which two wannabe jihadis were killed after attempting a raid on a provocative anti-Muslim convention. The men had no coherent affiliation with ISIS; they merely followed its instructions—which have been widely disseminated by the American media—to post online that they were acting on behalf of the group. “If you strip the word ‘terrorism,’ two idiots drove from Arizona and got shot in a parking lot,” Skinner said. The real threat to American life was the response. “We shut down cities,” he said. “We change our laws. We change our societies.” He went on, “We’re basically doing their work for them.”
“Getting killed by ISIS in Savannah is like expecting to get hit by a piano falling from an asteroid,” Skinner said. “It’s batshit insane. Day to day, it’s the people who are kicking in doors and stealing cars who are actually making life unbearable.”
Former Mini Mart Magnate
I am just here for my amusement.