To quote Ed Mireles in his recent book "FBI Miami Firefight, Five Minutes that changed the Bureau" "you can't pay me enough to get killed trying to reason with an armed assailant with words instead of force." I don't care what kind of training one has. When someone is disregarding a lawful order, whether that individual knows or not why the order was given, the best course of action is to comply and figure out why the order was given after the situation has been resolved.
Those areas need more than cops. They have neglected infrastructure, no jobs, poor schools (money goes to schools in rich areas), etc. You name it. And these problems started many many years ago with government redlining, jim crow, etc.
You can't fix 200 hundred years of oppression in 20 years (or even 50 years), with no money.
Those areas need more than cops. They have neglected infrastructure, no jobs, poor schools (money goes to schools in rich areas), etc. You name it. And these problems started many many years ago with government redlining, jim crow, etc.
You can't fix 200 hundred years of oppression in 20 years (or even 50 years), with no money.
$trillions has already been spent. It went right into the hands of corrupt political operatives and their cronies. Poor, uneducated, and violent constituents = $$$. Meaningful improvements that help people escape the urban core = some Chicago aldermen would have to give up their 7 series BMWs.
American policing today is in a state of slow-motion collapse,
struggling mightily to attract new officers — no matter how low
standards are dropped.
Under sustained assault by the City Council, pundits and self-styled
civil-liberties advocates, a new generation of New York City cops is
being conditioned to avoid showdowns with civilians, especially where
coercion or force is called for. We could have saved the costly
investment in body cameras by explicitly telling the cops two words: “Do
nothing.”
Officers who do more engagement than what is absolutely required have
been threatened by HQ that they’ll find themselves on a list of
“troublemakers.” Thousands have, or will soon, head for the exits,
telling all within earshot to avoid police work as a career.
In many parts of the country, the police have gone to ground.
Racked by gun violence and pervasive fear, Detroit managed to get
through 2016 without police shooting anyone — even as murders continued
to rise. Police paralysis is great news for the elite critics of the
cops but terrible news for the people dragooned in that town — it likely
signals that the police are taking the long and winding road around
trouble of all kinds.
In Chicago, the street cops’ ethos is “go fetal, stay fetal.” In
Philadelphia, as murders soar, cops are the ones in prosecutors’
crosshairs. It is crystal clear what was long suspected: Costly Justice
Department intervention in local police departments expedited the end of
hands-on policing.
Uncounted millions are being spent on “community policing” — where
officers socialize with a relatively tiny cohort of community residents,
some seeking improper benefits from the relationship — when a lot of
that money could be better used on enhanced overnight and outer-borough
patrols, reducing response times and better training officers to
diagnose and handle the 5 million calls that pour in to the NYPD each
year.
After all, most serious crimes in New York go unsolved, as they do
throughout the nation. We must resist the trap of presentism —
conditions at present are acceptable and will be thus so in the future.
Rearranging policing so that it revolves around fault-finding is
going to have grave consequences in communities where the police are
needed most. But all over the country, policing is now about avoiding
all but the most essential, life-and-death interactions.
Two recent videos of public officials being pulled over, one in New
Jersey and the other in Baltimore, were seen as triumphs for the
officers who remained calm and professional in the midst of a shower of
abuse and name-dropping.
The truth, however, is that the proliferation of video recording of
cops’ every interaction only will increase officers’ timidity. That will
look like self-restraint in some cases, but overall it’ll put law
enforcement on the defensive and dull cops’ instincts.
String together a series of adversarial videos, and almost every officer can find him or herself fast-tracked to trouble.
The new-era calculation for the police is: Conflict is the quickest path to extinction.
Some of this was wholly predictable when people who harbor disdain
for the police and resent law enforcement are allowed to pose as
reformers.
Without a debate of any kind, they have been able to tear down the
institution of American policing across the country. Scratch the surface
in trendy, uber-safe New York neighborhoods and you will hear public
safety and disorder concerns from more than a few. Aggressive
panhandling, unreported petty and retail thefts, noise and disorder
complaints and a feeling of insecurity on mass transit accompany
complaints by those in public housing and poorer communities that
violence is never too far away.
There’s no denying that aggressive policing has led to abuse. But
often overlooked in the debate was that it was an accomplishment to have
police departments where cops patrolled with windows rolled down,
engaged those who imperiled community safety and serenity, and where
those bent on harming others were forced to look over their shoulders.
This era of policing, cops grappling with festering issues, replaced the
1970s and 1980s police paralysis that saw millions leave cities behind
as officials themselves acknowledged they were unable to protect their
citizenry.
The result of all this is that policing is hurtling to a whole new,
uncharted and largely unchosen place. One thing we know from the past is
that whether dealing with terrorism or day-to-day issues of crime and
disorder, blindly depending on hope can have dangerous, even devastating
consequences.
Eugene O’Donnell, a former NYPD cop, is a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.
American policing today is in a state of slow-motion collapse,
struggling mightily to attract new officers — no matter how low
standards are dropped.
Under sustained assault by the City Council, pundits and self-styled
civil-liberties advocates, a new generation of New York City cops is
being conditioned to avoid showdowns with civilians, especially where
coercion or force is called for. We could have saved the costly
investment in body cameras by explicitly telling the cops two words: “Do
nothing.”
Officers who do more engagement than what is absolutely required have
been threatened by HQ that they’ll find themselves on a list of
“troublemakers.” Thousands have, or will soon, head for the exits,
telling all within earshot to avoid police work as a career.
In many parts of the country, the police have gone to ground.
Racked by gun violence and pervasive fear, Detroit managed to get
through 2016 without police shooting anyone — even as murders continued
to rise. Police paralysis is great news for the elite critics of the
cops but terrible news for the people dragooned in that town — it likely
signals that the police are taking the long and winding road around
trouble of all kinds.
In Chicago, the street cops’ ethos is “go fetal, stay fetal.” In
Philadelphia, as murders soar, cops are the ones in prosecutors’
crosshairs. It is crystal clear what was long suspected: Costly Justice
Department intervention in local police departments expedited the end of
hands-on policing.
Uncounted millions are being spent on “community policing” — where
officers socialize with a relatively tiny cohort of community residents,
some seeking improper benefits from the relationship — when a lot of
that money could be better used on enhanced overnight and outer-borough
patrols, reducing response times and better training officers to
diagnose and handle the 5 million calls that pour in to the NYPD each
year.
After all, most serious crimes in New York go unsolved, as they do
throughout the nation. We must resist the trap of presentism —
conditions at present are acceptable and will be thus so in the future.
Rearranging policing so that it revolves around fault-finding is
going to have grave consequences in communities where the police are
needed most. But all over the country, policing is now about avoiding
all but the most essential, life-and-death interactions.
Two recent videos of public officials being pulled over, one in New
Jersey and the other in Baltimore, were seen as triumphs for the
officers who remained calm and professional in the midst of a shower of
abuse and name-dropping.
The truth, however, is that the proliferation of video recording of
cops’ every interaction only will increase officers’ timidity. That will
look like self-restraint in some cases, but overall it’ll put law
enforcement on the defensive and dull cops’ instincts.
String together a series of adversarial videos, and almost every officer can find him or herself fast-tracked to trouble.
The new-era calculation for the police is: Conflict is the quickest path to extinction.
Some of this was wholly predictable when people who harbor disdain
for the police and resent law enforcement are allowed to pose as
reformers.
Without a debate of any kind, they have been able to tear down the
institution of American policing across the country. Scratch the surface
in trendy, uber-safe New York neighborhoods and you will hear public
safety and disorder concerns from more than a few. Aggressive
panhandling, unreported petty and retail thefts, noise and disorder
complaints and a feeling of insecurity on mass transit accompany
complaints by those in public housing and poorer communities that
violence is never too far away.
There’s no denying that aggressive policing has led to abuse. But
often overlooked in the debate was that it was an accomplishment to have
police departments where cops patrolled with windows rolled down,
engaged those who imperiled community safety and serenity, and where
those bent on harming others were forced to look over their shoulders.
This era of policing, cops grappling with festering issues, replaced the
1970s and 1980s police paralysis that saw millions leave cities behind
as officials themselves acknowledged they were unable to protect their
citizenry.
The result of all this is that policing is hurtling to a whole new,
uncharted and largely unchosen place. One thing we know from the past is
that whether dealing with terrorism or day-to-day issues of crime and
disorder, blindly depending on hope can have dangerous, even devastating
consequences.
Eugene O’Donnell, a former NYPD cop, is a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.
I have no argument with what Mr. O'Donnell is saying. My question, "What is the solution?"
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."
It seems to me that article is suggesting that do nothing is the only alternative to "agressive policing". I'd like to think there are alternatives to those two extremes.
It seems to me that article is suggesting that do nothing is the only alternative to "agressive policing". I'd like to think there are alternatives to those two extremes.
I agree.
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."
A black driver is about 31 percent more likely to be pulled over than a
white driver, or about 23 percent more likely than a Hispanic driver. "Driving while black" is, indeed, a measurable phenomenon.
Perhaps they are 31% worse drivers than white drivers, on average. I say that tongue-in-cheek, but my point is that that is a statistic that, like most statistics, can be twisted.
Those problems started in the 1960’s with the democrats great society. Get your facts straight.
That would depend upon your definition of problems.
If equality before the law is a problem for you then the civil rights legislation of the 1960s' is a defining moment. Then again if the lack of equality before the law is a problem for you then your problems started earlier.
Our racial problems are the legacy of slavery.
Exodus 34:7 English Standard Version (ESV)
7 keeping steadfast love for thousands,[a] forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”
I suggest you look up what the so called great society was and it’s dire consequences produced. Then get back with us. Your just like cyclist, when your myth is blown out of the water you cry racist.
As someone mentioned earlier ,,,, watch a few episodes of LivePD as the cops wade through the human sludge on a nightly basis. It doesn't take long to realize why certain segments of society receive more attention than others. They demand it via their actions.
In addition.,,, there are bad examples in every profession. For the most part however if you behave, do as you are told and show a modicum of restraint when interacting with them nothing adverse will happen.
ALLISON XB 21,, MERCURY 300 Opti Max Pro Series (Slightly Modified) You can't catch me!!! "Today is MINE"
Just today i saw a guy in a BMW cut off a State Trooper switching lanes. It was a legal lane change, but he pulled right in front of the cop following another car. When we pulled up to the light the trooper was right behind him and I saw the guys tags had a tinted cover over it,. Told my brother the guy was about to get pulled over for pissing off a cop and all of sudden the lights went on and the guy was pulling to the side of the road,
You don't make a cop mad when you have an illegal covering over your light, it will cost you more than waiting two seconds and pulling in behind the cop, Probably cost him $100 for pulling in front of a State Trooper.
I have had maybe four instances with cops in my life. Two positive and two negative. One of the two negatives was a case of mis-identification the other one the cop was a A hole. I was a teen riding my bicycle during spring break in Fort Lauderdale in the '70s. Because the traffic was backed up. I rode in the center median turn lane and there was a motorcycle cop sitting on his Harley. When I rode past him he put his billy club through my spokes and caused me to crash and ruined my front wheel. He cursed me and said it was illegal for me to cycle in that lane. I had to walk my bike back home four miles but since I was a juvenile, I didn't even mention it to my parents. I wonder if I hit my head when I crashed if there would have been repercussions. Probably not as it was different back in those days. I just want to let people like Cyclist know that cops aren't racists, they can treat everyone equally bad. It is just when it is a minority that it becomes a big deal.
“Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
― Ernest Hemingway
Those problems started in the 1960’s with the democrats great society. Get your facts straight.
That would depend upon your definition of problems.
If equality before the law is a problem for you then the civil rights legislation of the 1960s' is a defining moment. Then again if the lack of equality before the law is a problem for you then your problems started earlier.
Our racial problems are the legacy of slavery.
Exodus 34:7 English Standard Version (ESV)
7 keeping steadfast love for thousands,[a] forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”
I suggest you look up what the so called great society was and it’s dire consequences produced. Then get back with us. Your just like cyclist, when your myth is blown out of the water you cry racist.
I don't have to look it up. I remember it. Along with the Korean War. Yeah, I'm old.
slavery was no myth. it's legacy is still dividing us My father was 60 years old when I was born. His father was 60 years old when he was born. I was born in 1949.
My grandfather owned slaves. Lots of them.
"Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers
Those problems started in the 1960’s with the democrats great society. Get your facts straight.
That would depend upon your definition of problems.
If equality before the law is a problem for you then the civil rights legislation of the 1960s' is a defining moment. Then again if the lack of equality before the law is a problem for you then your problems started earlier.
Our racial problems are the legacy of slavery.
Exodus 34:7 English Standard Version (ESV)
7 keeping steadfast love for thousands,[a] forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”
I suggest you look up what the so called great society was and it’s dire consequences produced. Then get back with us. Your just like cyclist, when your myth is blown out of the water you cry racist.
I don't have to look it up. I remember it. Along with the Korean War. Yeah, I'm old.
slavery was no myth. it's legacy is still dividing us My father was 60 years old when I was born. His father was 60 years old when he was born. I was born in 1949.
My grandfather owned slaves. Lots of them.
Mine didn’t. Shouldn’t you be made to pay everything you have for the sins of your family?
"There are no reliable statistics to which one can safely appeal to measure exactly the growth of crime among the emancipated slaves. About seventy per cent of all prisoners in the South are black; this, however, is in part explained by the fact that accused Negroes are still easily convicted and get long sentences, while whites still continue to escape the penalty of many crimes even among themselves. And yet allowing for all this, there can be no reasonable doubt but that there has arisen in the South since the [civil] war a class of black criminals, loafers, and ne'er-do-wells who are a menace to their fellows, both black and white." - WEB Du Bois, famous black historian and leftist civil rights activist.
I would submit that that class of "black criminals, loafer, and ne'er-do-wells" was a small percentage of the black community until the 1960s. Sometime in the 1970s and 1980s and combined with the effects of the "Great Society" breaking up black families, that criminal class began dictating popular culture within the black community and then to American society as a whole thru the rise of hip-hop and the street/thug culture. The leaders of the black community pre-late 1960s would have barfed on the low values espoused by that criminal underclass. In recent decades, the leadership embraced those low values. The overall state of the black community is way worse than it was in the immediate post-civil rights era, and it is mostly self-inflicted.
As far as the other things discussed in this thread, I also lament the militarization of the police. But its a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more people hate on the police, the more they feel under fire and the more "us vs. them" they become in response to the citizenry taking the same attitude against them. And then the more standoffish the police become with hostile citizens, the more citizens feel under siege by police.
Both sides have to equally agree to break the cycle or else its just going to keep escalating.
Lots of these problems can be solved if we at least legalized weed... Lots of lives ruined by drug charges and mistakes... (Try getting a job with a record).
Couple that with a lack of family structures in many urban areas, and the some consequences are bad. Un-intended consequences of the welfare system (lack of married couples) has taught generations to reproduce without proper financial planning...
*i might add that central-planning (liberal) policies have been implemented and tried in all of these ghetto areas with any success. But, perhaps they want voters to be "slaves" to the democrat party?
Those problems started in the 1960’s with the democrats great society. Get your facts straight.
That would depend upon your definition of problems.
If equality before the law is a problem for you then the civil rights legislation of the 1960s' is a defining moment. Then again if the lack of equality before the law is a problem for you then your problems started earlier.
Our racial problems are the legacy of slavery.
Exodus 34:7 English Standard Version (ESV)
7 keeping steadfast love for thousands,[a] forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”
I suggest you look up what the so called great society was and it’s dire consequences produced. Then get back with us. Your just like cyclist, when your myth is blown out of the water you cry racist.
I don't have to look it up. I remember it. Along with the Korean War. Yeah, I'm old.
slavery was no myth. it's legacy is still dividing us My father was 60 years old when I was born. His father was 60 years old when he was born. I was born in 1949.
My grandfather owned slaves. Lots of them.
What does slavery have to do with LBJ’s Great Society program? Are you on a guilt trip because of your grandfather? There is plenty of evidence that the program and other social engineering is responsible for the destruction of the family unit both black and white. By the way, the Korean War ended when you were 3 years old. I doubt you have memories of it unless you were a kid living in Pusan??
I remember listening to the war reports on our radio.
I remember learning to talk. I could understand what they were saying but they couldn't understand what I was saying. I remember that.
I also remember learning to read when I was three years old. No one taught me. I just figured it out on my own after learning the alphabet song.
I also remember my cousin was worried sick that he would be recalled and sent back to war.
What does slavery have to do with LBJ and his war on poverty. The legacy of slavery was poverty for the ex slaves and their descendants.
The War on Poverty worked very well until Nixon defunded it in order to continue the 'Nam War.
We are all paying for the sin of slavery. Its' legacy still divides our nation, weakens us and makes us more vulnerable to our enemies.
"Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers
Because we are still issuing passes for the "sins if the past" we are locked in a perpetual pity party. No one alive today was a slave in this nation. Their parents weren't and doubtful that their grandparents were. It is time to move on and stop providing excuses for the "sins of today".
ALLISON XB 21,, MERCURY 300 Opti Max Pro Series (Slightly Modified) You can't catch me!!! "Today is MINE"
A black driver is about 31 percent more likely to be pulled over than a
white driver, or about 23 percent more likely than a Hispanic driver. "Driving while black" is, indeed, a measurable phenomenon.
A black driver is about 31 percent more likely to be pulled over than a
white driver, or about 23 percent more likely than a Hispanic driver. "Driving while black" is, indeed, a measurable phenomenon.
I remember listening to the war reports on our radio.
I remember learning to talk. I could understand what they were saying but they couldn't understand what I was saying. I remember that.
I also remember learning to read when I was three years old. No one taught me. I just figured it out on my own after learning the alphabet song.
I also remember my cousin was worried sick that he would be recalled and sent back to war.
What does slavery have to do with LBJ and his war on poverty. The legacy of slavery was poverty for the ex slaves and their descendants.
The War on Poverty worked very well until Nixon defunded it in order to continue the 'Nam War.
We are all paying for the sin of slavery. Its' legacy still divides our nation, weakens us and makes us more vulnerable to our enemies.
Do you remember everything starting at conception? Do you remember all of your past lives too? Do you correspond with Shirley Mclaine (sp) much? I also need to remind you, very few people could find they had an ancestor that hadn’t been a slave once. It use to be the way the world worked. Check your past lives carefully before thinking it only happened to 1 race.
Okay, I read the entire article. Now please answer the question from your prospective, not from the prospective of a single police officer in Savannah. How do you perceive Skinner's actions given the two scenarios put forth by Cad. Then answer how you would train officers to react to these two scenarios.
We will never get an answer. Cyclist hates cops for some reason and won't say why or explain anything. he misreads articles and turns them into something they don't say to fit his personal agenda. Sullivan even says in the article that many cops do what he does, they aren't out to shoot everyone or escalate the situation. His only concern is how they are trained and how must of it they pick up on the job through experience.
The reporter tries to slant it towards the weapons and vehicles on his own and cyclist tries to amplify that portion of the article to fit his bias.
I still maintain your understanding of the article is sub par. The main thing is that the money that we spend overseas has little to do with the safety of Americans at home and spending the money on community policing in the states will have a far bigger impact on Americans lives than playing whack a mole with terrorists and creating terrorists by killing innocents.
Cad, your disdain for the media has you jaded and thinking like a conspiracy theorist. The way the New Yorker works is to produce articles that reflect the truth, not to distort words to preach on a subject. That article accurately reflects the experience and opinion of Sullivan, a true hero.
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American policing today is in a state of slow-motion collapse, struggling mightily to attract new officers — no matter how low standards are dropped.
Under sustained assault by the City Council, pundits and self-styled civil-liberties advocates, a new generation of New York City cops is being conditioned to avoid showdowns with civilians, especially where coercion or force is called for. We could have saved the costly investment in body cameras by explicitly telling the cops two words: “Do nothing.”
Officers who do more engagement than what is absolutely required have been threatened by HQ that they’ll find themselves on a list of “troublemakers.” Thousands have, or will soon, head for the exits, telling all within earshot to avoid police work as a career.
In many parts of the country, the police have gone to ground.
Racked by gun violence and pervasive fear, Detroit managed to get through 2016 without police shooting anyone — even as murders continued to rise. Police paralysis is great news for the elite critics of the cops but terrible news for the people dragooned in that town — it likely signals that the police are taking the long and winding road around trouble of all kinds.
In Chicago, the street cops’ ethos is “go fetal, stay fetal.” In Philadelphia, as murders soar, cops are the ones in prosecutors’ crosshairs. It is crystal clear what was long suspected: Costly Justice Department intervention in local police departments expedited the end of hands-on policing.
Uncounted millions are being spent on “community policing” — where officers socialize with a relatively tiny cohort of community residents, some seeking improper benefits from the relationship — when a lot of that money could be better used on enhanced overnight and outer-borough patrols, reducing response times and better training officers to diagnose and handle the 5 million calls that pour in to the NYPD each year.
After all, most serious crimes in New York go unsolved, as they do throughout the nation. We must resist the trap of presentism — conditions at present are acceptable and will be thus so in the future.
Rearranging policing so that it revolves around fault-finding is going to have grave consequences in communities where the police are needed most. But all over the country, policing is now about avoiding all but the most essential, life-and-death interactions.
Two recent videos of public officials being pulled over, one in New Jersey and the other in Baltimore, were seen as triumphs for the officers who remained calm and professional in the midst of a shower of abuse and name-dropping.
The truth, however, is that the proliferation of video recording of cops’ every interaction only will increase officers’ timidity. That will look like self-restraint in some cases, but overall it’ll put law enforcement on the defensive and dull cops’ instincts.
String together a series of adversarial videos, and almost every officer can find him or herself fast-tracked to trouble.
The new-era calculation for the police is: Conflict is the quickest path to extinction.
Some of this was wholly predictable when people who harbor disdain for the police and resent law enforcement are allowed to pose as reformers.
Without a debate of any kind, they have been able to tear down the institution of American policing across the country. Scratch the surface in trendy, uber-safe New York neighborhoods and you will hear public safety and disorder concerns from more than a few. Aggressive panhandling, unreported petty and retail thefts, noise and disorder complaints and a feeling of insecurity on mass transit accompany complaints by those in public housing and poorer communities that violence is never too far away.
There’s no denying that aggressive policing has led to abuse. But often overlooked in the debate was that it was an accomplishment to have police departments where cops patrolled with windows rolled down, engaged those who imperiled community safety and serenity, and where those bent on harming others were forced to look over their shoulders. This era of policing, cops grappling with festering issues, replaced the 1970s and 1980s police paralysis that saw millions leave cities behind as officials themselves acknowledged they were unable to protect their citizenry.
The result of all this is that policing is hurtling to a whole new, uncharted and largely unchosen place. One thing we know from the past is that whether dealing with terrorism or day-to-day issues of crime and disorder, blindly depending on hope can have dangerous, even devastating consequences.
Eugene O’Donnell, a former NYPD cop, is a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."
Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."
Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)
Zero sum games aren't successful in real life.
That page is now conveniently gone.
Your just like cyclist, when your myth is blown out of the water you cry racist.
In addition.,,, there are bad examples in every profession. For the most part however if you behave, do as you are told and show a modicum of restraint when interacting with them nothing adverse will happen.
"Today is MINE"
You don't make a cop mad when you have an illegal covering over your light, it will cost you more than waiting two seconds and pulling in behind the cop, Probably cost him $100 for pulling in front of a State Trooper.
Former Mini Mart Magnate
I am just here for my amusement.
I just want to let people like Cyclist know that cops aren't racists, they can treat everyone equally bad. It is just when it is a minority that it becomes a big deal.
“Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
― Ernest Hemingway
Thanks for the info conchydong
slavery was no myth.
it's legacy is still dividing us
My father was 60 years old when I was born.
His father was 60 years old when he was born.
I was born in 1949.
My grandfather owned slaves. Lots of them.
I would submit that that class of "black criminals, loafer, and ne'er-do-wells" was a small percentage of the black community until the 1960s. Sometime in the 1970s and 1980s and combined with the effects of the "Great Society" breaking up black families, that criminal class began dictating popular culture within the black community and then to American society as a whole thru the rise of hip-hop and the street/thug culture. The leaders of the black community pre-late 1960s would have barfed on the low values espoused by that criminal underclass. In recent decades, the leadership embraced those low values. The overall state of the black community is way worse than it was in the immediate post-civil rights era, and it is mostly self-inflicted.
As far as the other things discussed in this thread, I also lament the militarization of the police. But its a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more people hate on the police, the more they feel under fire and the more "us vs. them" they become in response to the citizenry taking the same attitude against them. And then the more standoffish the police become with hostile citizens, the more citizens feel under siege by police.
Both sides have to equally agree to break the cycle or else its just going to keep escalating.
Couple that with a lack of family structures in many urban areas, and the some consequences are bad. Un-intended consequences of the welfare system (lack of married couples) has taught generations to reproduce without proper financial planning...
*i might add that central-planning (liberal) policies have been implemented and tried in all of these ghetto areas with any success. But, perhaps they want voters to be "slaves" to the democrat party?
Are you on a guilt trip because of your grandfather?
There is plenty of evidence that the program and other social engineering is responsible for the destruction of the family unit both black and white.
By the way, the Korean War ended when you were 3 years old. I doubt you have memories of it unless you were a kid living in Pusan??
I remember learning to talk. I could understand what they were saying but they couldn't understand what I was saying. I remember that.
I also remember learning to read when I was three years old. No one taught me. I just figured it out on my own after learning the alphabet song.
I also remember my cousin was worried sick that he would be recalled and sent back to war.
What does slavery have to do with LBJ and his war on poverty. The legacy of slavery was poverty for the ex slaves and their descendants.
The War on Poverty worked very well until Nixon defunded it in order to continue the 'Nam War.
We are all paying for the sin of slavery. Its' legacy still divides our nation, weakens us and makes us more vulnerable to our enemies.
"Today is MINE"
Here is just one,
https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/09/16/favors-to-blacks
“Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
― Ernest Hemingway
Do you remember all of your past lives too? Do you correspond with Shirley Mclaine (sp) much?
I also need to remind you, very few people could find they had an ancestor that hadn’t been a slave once. It use to be the way the world worked. Check your past lives carefully before thinking it only happened to 1 race.