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The Family That Built an Empire of Pain - purdue pharmaceutical and the sackler family.

CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
edited March 2018 in Off Topic #1
If you want to get to the bottom of the opioid crisis read this article. It will make you furious...and yes, we as taxpayers are footing the bill. Or will foot the bill when something is actually done.

The sackler family PUSHED the drug on doctors for decades by lying and saying the drug was non-addictive and safe and providing false studies that said the drug was safe. They made BILLIONS and have affected MILLIONS.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/the-family-that-built-an-empire-of-pain

Although the Sackler name can be found on dozens of buildings, Purdue’s Web site scarcely mentions the family, and a list of the company’s board of directors fails to include eight family members, from three generations, who serve in that capacity. “I don’t know how many rooms in different parts of the world I’ve given talks in that were named after the Sacklers,” Allen Frances, the former chair of psychiatry at Duke University School of Medicine, told me. “Their name has been pushed forward as the epitome of good works and of the fruits of the capitalist system. But, when it comes down to it, they’ve earned this fortune at the expense of millions of people who are addicted. It’s shocking how they have gotten away with it.”


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  • TarponatorTarponator Posts: 19,952 AG
    "Since 1999, two hundred thousand Americans have died from overdoses related to OxyContin and other prescription opioids."

    That's staggering.
  • pottydocpottydoc Posts: 5,638 Admiral
    Dand them Sacklers, pointing guns (probably AR's) at people and making them take drugs. 
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    edited March 2018 #4
    pottydoc said:
    Dand them Sacklers, pointing guns (probably AR's) at people and making them take drugs. 
    Come on now, don't be a ding ****. The majority of the addictions start with Dr. prescribed drugs, if the Drs are lied too, then it becomes a real problem. And G is not even next to D...

    https://baartprograms.com/opiate-addiction-statistics-legal-street/

  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 10,104 AG
    I agree with the article. And it points out the hypocrisy of the fake crisis’s that pop up and people ignore the real crisis in the country. 
  • MelbourneMarkMelbourneMark Posts: 3,843 Captain
    I've known 2 guys from my hunting camp who got hurt seriously while working, and got hooked on the pills. Then went to opium after pills ran out.  Lost everything they had; family, business etc..

    Very sad indeed.  I'm not sure how much to blame the manufacturer of the pain pills, as lots of other people do not get addicted...( but, perhaps much much more education and other drugs to get off the addicted pills??)

    also, perhaps if we had medical marijuana, many of the people could use that instead of addicting drugs??

    *i just worked in the Purdue plant which manufactures the oxy pills.  Lots of security there!!
  • SAENoleSAENole Posts: 11,477 AG
    Municipalities here in the panhandle are gearing up to sue Big Pharma over the pill problems.

    As usual, the lawyers will be the only ones that win.  
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  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 16,711 AG
    ten times as many die from tobacco

    it'll be interesting to see if the FDA really does limit the amount of nicotine in cigarettes.  I'm betting the lobbyists will prevail and it might be reduced a little but not a significant amount.

    every great fortune is built on a great crime 
    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    edited March 2018 #9
    I've known 2 guys from my hunting camp who got hurt seriously while working, and got hooked on the pills. Then went to opium after pills ran out.  Lost everything they had; family, business etc..

    Very sad indeed.  I'm not sure how much to blame the manufacturer of the pain pills, as lots of other people do not get addicted...( but, perhaps much much more education and other drugs to get off the addicted pills??)

    also, perhaps if we had medical marijuana, many of the people could use that instead of addicting drugs??

    *i just worked in the Purdue plant which manufactures the oxy pills.  Lots of security there!!
    I blame the manufacturer because to boost sales, they lied to Drs about how addictive the drug was. The Drs thought it was safe, that is why prescriptions for this drug went through the roof, everyone thought is was a miracle drug. The sackler family knew the truth the entire time.  I think that is criminal.
  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski Posts: 16,698 AG
    Sister's husband overdosed on oxycodone.   While she was in rehab.    Wife's sister's ex husband was a pill popper, it's a problem that hits home with every singer person i know in one way or the other. 
    You can't pet a dead dog back to life 
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 10,104 AG
    Gardawg said:
    ten times as many die from tobacco

    it'll be interesting to see if the FDA really does limit the amount of nicotine in cigarettes.  I'm betting the lobbyists will prevail and it might be reduced a little but not a significant amount.

    every great fortune is built on a great crime 
    Do Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Bezos and other Fortune 500 companies fall into that category?
  • NewberryJeffNewberryJeff Posts: 7,447 Admiral
    SAENole said:
    Municipalities here in the panhandle are gearing up to sue Big Pharma over the pill problems.

    As usual, the lawyers will be the only ones that win.  
    Purdue has already been found criminally liable and has paid out more than $650 million in fines and civil awards.
    They'll be paying much more before it's over.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 10,104 AG
    I read somewhere that most of the illegal opioids are being smuggled in now?
  • GA FinGA Fin Posts: 8,945 Admiral
    As I said 20 years ago, when three Atlanta Firefighters I worked with got hooked on prescription opioids, the people running the pharmaceutical companies AND the doctors that are handing out scripts should be lynched.
    Straight white male living a life of privilege and proud of it.


    "The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters."
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 25,707 Moderator
    Cyclist said:
    If you want to get to the bottom of the opioid crisis read this article. It will make you furious...and yes, we as taxpayers are footing the bill. Or will foot the bill when something is actually done.

    The sackler family PUSHED the drug on doctors for decades by lying and saying the drug was non-addictive and safe and providing false studies that said the drug was safe. They made BILLIONS and have affected MILLIONS.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/the-family-that-built-an-empire-of-pain

    Although the Sackler name can be found on dozens of buildings, Purdue’s Web site scarcely mentions the family, and a list of the company’s board of directors fails to include eight family members, from three generations, who serve in that capacity. “I don’t know how many rooms in different parts of the world I’ve given talks in that were named after the Sacklers,” Allen Frances, the former chair of psychiatry at Duke University School of Medicine, told me. “Their name has been pushed forward as the epitome of good works and of the fruits of the capitalist system. But, when it comes down to it, they’ve earned this fortune at the expense of millions of people who are addicted. It’s shocking how they have gotten away with it.”


    A very interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

    We're a nation of addictions when you think about it.

    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)

  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,452 Admiral
    Cyclist said:
    pottydoc said:
    Dand them Sacklers, pointing guns (probably AR's) at people and making them take drugs. 
    Come on now, don't be a ding ****. The majority of the addictions start with Dr. prescribed drugs, if the Drs are lied too, then it becomes a real problem. And G is not even next to D...

    https://baartprograms.com/opiate-addiction-statistics-legal-street/


    As a  former narcotics and doctor shopping detective I can say that the majority of the addicts I've dealt with do not start with legit prescribed Dr. scripts. That being said, yes opioids are a drug that should be avoided at all costs.
  • TarponatorTarponator Posts: 19,952 AG
    edited March 2018 #17
    @Westwall01,

    When did you stop doing that work?

    If it's been a while, what you said makes a great deal of sense.  If it's been in the last 10 years or so, it calls into question what that article says.

    I'm curious as to your perspective.

    Thanks..>Mike
  • Florida Ex-patFlorida Ex-pat Posts: 586 Officer
    Cyclist said:
    I've known 2 guys from my hunting camp who got hurt seriously while working, and got hooked on the pills. Then went to opium after pills ran out.  Lost everything they had; family, business etc..

    Very sad indeed.  I'm not sure how much to blame the manufacturer of the pain pills, as lots of other people do not get addicted...( but, perhaps much much more education and other drugs to get off the addicted pills??)

    also, perhaps if we had medical marijuana, many of the people could use that instead of addicting drugs??

    *i just worked in the Purdue plant which manufactures the oxy pills.  Lots of security there!!
    I blame the manufacturer because to boost sales, they lied to Drs about how addictive the drug was. The Drs thought it was safe, that is why prescriptions for this drug went through the roof, everyone thought is was a miracle drug. The sackler family knew the truth the entire time.  I think that is criminal.

    Every MD I have ever worked with knows that Narcotic medications are addictive.  When their patients started showing up early for refills with every excuse in the book (and some out of it) about how they lost, spilled, had stolen, confiscated etc. they should have known.  Most know but don't mind billing a visit for a refill.  The MDs were not fooled, misled some yes, but complicit.  Its not like the issues popped up last week.
  • Florida BullfrogFlorida Bullfrog Posts: 4,847 Captain
    edited March 2018 #19
    Cyclist said:
    I've known 2 guys from my hunting camp who got hurt seriously while working, and got hooked on the pills. Then went to opium after pills ran out.  Lost everything they had; family, business etc..

    Very sad indeed.  I'm not sure how much to blame the manufacturer of the pain pills, as lots of other people do not get addicted...( but, perhaps much much more education and other drugs to get off the addicted pills??)

    also, perhaps if we had medical marijuana, many of the people could use that instead of addicting drugs??

    *i just worked in the Purdue plant which manufactures the oxy pills.  Lots of security there!!
    I blame the manufacturer because to boost sales, they lied to Drs about how addictive the drug was. The Drs thought it was safe, that is why prescriptions for this drug went through the roof, everyone thought is was a miracle drug. The sackler family knew the truth the entire time.  I think that is criminal.

    Every MD I have ever worked with knows that Narcotic medications are addictive.  When their patients started showing up early for refills with every excuse in the book (and some out of it) about how they lost, spilled, had stolen, confiscated etc. they should have known.  Most know but don't mind billing a visit for a refill.  The MDs were not fooled, misled some yes, but complicit.  Its not like the issues popped up last week.
    I think this too. Many Drs. knew and know good and well what happens when pills made from opiates are Rx'd in mass. There's been extensive medical literature on it in the West since the 1800s. 

    The opium crisis is centuries old. Wars were fought over the opium trade. Pills are new, but opium on the streets is nothing new, nor is the misuse of opium products in the medical industry. Morphine is an opium derivative and doctors heavily misused it in the 1800s during and after the Civil War, and of course heroin is a more potent form of morphine.

    The reason Britain had such an extensive empire in SE Asia was due to their role in the opium trade and wars they fought with the Chinese to force the Chinese to let the Brits trade and sell opium (to Asians). Entire economies have been built on opium both then and now.

    It is a terrible thing. But its not new. 

    I would also note that in Central Florida around Ocala, opiate-derived pills were the dominant form of illegal drug use, not counting pot, as early as a decade ago. I once had a shelf of 300 open felony cases, and 2/3rds or more of them were either directly related to charges of possession of opiates with an Rx, or property crimes related to people stealing and reselling items to get money for a pill fix. So this newest version of the opium plague didn't just pop up. Its been around for about a decade in at its current levels. The media just didn't focus on it. 

    Its also a regional thing. In north Florida, the dominate illegal drug is meth. Most of my felony drug cases are meth related. Very few people get busted for pills. It could be they mostly have Rxs now. 

    The street price for pills haven't changed much. About $20 a pill. Sometimes more. Depends on the pill. Addicts can burn thru 10 a day. Way more than they can usually get in a Rx. Fuels a lot of thievery. 
  • pottydocpottydoc Posts: 5,638 Admiral
    Cyclist said:
    pottydoc said:
    Dand them Sacklers, pointing guns (probably AR's) at people and making them take drugs. 
    Come on now, don't be a ding ****. The majority of the addictions start with Dr. prescribed drugs, if the Drs are lied too, then it becomes a real problem. And G is not even next to D...

    https://baartprograms.com/opiate-addiction-statistics-legal-street/

    Yeah, I'm sure all those stupid doctors couldn't figure out that the drugs they were prescribing could be addictive. I took OxyContin for a fairly long period. I managed to not get hooked on it. And it wasn't much effort to keep fro getting addicted.  I haven't taken it for years, now. I'm perfectly aware that lots f people get hooked on Doctor prescribed drugs. And also perfectly aware that most folks know they're addictive, and take them because they like the any they make them feel. Don't take this as support of Big Pharm, because it most certainly isn't. But most of the responsibility goes right on the folks that keep on taking them. 

  • Gary SGary S Posts: 3,336 Captain
    I have a brother with a take as needed perception. When he refills he has to take I think a **** test. They give him a problem because he doesn't have enough  drug in his system. You would think they could look how long it's been since last refill and see he doesn't take them like candy. He only takes them when pain is too great as he hates the way they make him feel.
  • pottydocpottydoc Posts: 5,638 Admiral
    edited March 2018 #22
    I never had to take a test, but they did ask me why it took me so long to refill them. That Big Pharm pushes doctors to give people to much drugs, or to encourage them to proscribe it when not really needed, I have no doubt. But it still doesn't change the fact of hat no one forces someone to take it. That's just more of the "It's not my fault, someone else is responsible" crap that seems to be people's first excuse today.

  • ResinheadResinhead Posts: 10,987 AG
    My doc gave me 60 percocets after my surgury and said not to expect more after they're gone. Said I shouldn't even need the 60 but that is the standard script for the procedure. 
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    pottydoc said:
    I never had to take a test, but they did ask me why it took me so long to refill them. That Big Pharm pushes doctors to give people to much drugs, or to encourage them to proscribe it when not really needed, I have no doubt. But it still doesn't change the fact of hat no one forces someone to take it. That's just more of the "It's not my fault, someone else is responsible" crap that seems to be people's first excuse today.

    Most people trust their Dr's and do what they say. When the Dr. is duped...so is the patient.

    You tout personal responsibility....where does the responsibility of the drug maker come in....are they responsibly lying about the their product????
  • Florida Ex-patFlorida Ex-pat Posts: 586 Officer
    Gardawg said:
    ten times as many die from tobacco

    it'll be interesting to see if the FDA really does limit the amount of nicotine in cigarettes.  I'm betting the lobbyists will prevail and it might be reduced a little but not a significant amount.

    every great fortune is built on a great crime 
    Do Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Bezos and other Fortune 500 companies fall into that category?


    If you count crimes as going against liberal values then yes.


  • mjnmjn Posts: 1,577 Captain
    edited April 2018 #26
    Neighbor...30 years as a machinist...injured his back  and was laid up on oxy. They changed his script to one strong pill from 3-4 weaker pills. Accidentally took 3 like he usually does... DEAD.  Liked his beer otherwise never took a recreational drug in his life.


  • pottydocpottydoc Posts: 5,638 Admiral
    edited April 2018 #27
    Cyclist said:
    pottydoc said:
    I never had to take a test, but they did ask me why it took me so long to refill them. That Big Pharm pushes doctors to give people to much drugs, or to encourage them to proscribe it when not really needed, I have no doubt. But it still doesn't change the fact of hat no one forces someone to take it. That's just more of the "It's not my fault, someone else is responsible" crap that seems to be people's first excuse today.

    Most people trust their Dr's and do what they say. When the Dr. is duped...so is the patient.

    You tout personal responsibility....where does the responsibility of the drug maker come in....are they responsibly lying about the their product????
    Very few Doctors are duped. They know when they are prescribing too much for any one patient. The ones that keep doing it do not have their patients best interest in mind, just their, or their insurance company's check book. The drug maker should obviously hold some responsibility, the doctors even more so. But the patient is responsible for talking to their doctor about anything he subscribes to them. They should be asking about addiction, side effects, long term effects, no any other hazards with the meds. If they're not, they are not taking care of themselves. Don't mistake my post for defending Big Pharm, because I promise you it's not so. They care only about ripping off the public, with the blessing of our government. From both sides of the aisle, and no matter who is in the White House. 

  • AC ManAC Man Posts: 7,304 Admiral
    I used to get bronchitis every now and then and cough constantly. Doctor would prescribe hydrocodone cough syrup and I would immediately stop coughing. Last time I had bronchitis he wouldn't prescribe it. I asked him why he wouldn't give it to me he simply said you don't want that stuff and gave me something else. It wasn't till later when all the opioid talk started up that I realized why he didn't give it to me again. I never found it addictive though in the normal dosage.
  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,452 Admiral
    @Westwall01,

    When did you stop doing that work?

    If it's been a while, what you said makes a great deal of sense.  If it's been in the last 10 years or so, it calls into question what that article says.

    I'm curious as to your perspective.

    Thanks..>Mike

    From 2008 to 2014
  • Fish HaidFish Haid Posts: 8,417 Admiral

    Wait a few years.  You'll be hearing the same story about Marijuana.  Harmless, natural plant-based, non-addictive....

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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,921 Admiral
    pottydoc said:
    Dand them Sacklers, pointing guns (probably AR's) at people and making them take drugs. 


    Doc, you're a dic


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