Movement to Repeal 2nd Amendment Growing

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https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/repeal-the-second-amendment-6/?source=search

Petition Background

Enough is enough. Americans shouldn't have to be worried that an irresponsible gun-owning parent's recklessness will result in the slaughter of their young children at school. We need REAL gun control. Stringent rules such as those in Australia or the UK. Dramatic reductions in the numbers of guns in American homes. In order to do that, we must first repeal the 2nd Amendment, to remove the deadly constitutional right of all Americans to own as many lethal weapons as they desire. Repealing the 2nd amendment won't automatically make all gun ownership illegal, but it will allow us to move forward and create the rational rules we need for the 21st century.

mplspug

What a fallacy salad 

ferris1248

It's not going to happen anytime soon if ever. Park your black helicopters.

DOCKSIDE

buying more ammo....

kellercl

People have a right to bear arms, a repeal shouldn't be on the table.  The real question is about sensible restrictions and proper screening.  Law abiding citizens should enjoy their deserved freedom.  We just need to have precautions in place so it isn't as easy for crazies as it is currently.  This country is made up of two extremes, shameful, given there is so much space here in the middle.  I legitimately hate the left as much as I hate the right.

mustang190

As said before, all new laws, regulations, restrictions and bans will only affect law abiding citizens. 
 At least you Orwellian sheep are now showing your true colors. Keep doing it. 

Tarponator

You seem to have again forgotten that laws are both a deterrent and a punishment.

Orwell indeed.

Resinhead

kellercl

mustang190 said:

As said before, all new laws, regulations, restrictions and bans will only affect law abiding citizens. 
 At least you Orwellian sheep are now showing your true colors. Keep doing it. 

An extension of that logic is everything should be legal, because bad people do bad things regardless.  I do not agree.  Potential punishment is a deterrent for many and having laws provide officers the opportunity to stop a person before serious harm is done.  Your stance is just as bad as the extreme left.  Extremist are never helpful.  As for the Orwell jab, no idea why it was directed at me, I'm quite middle of the road.  I'm not in favor of a gun ban, nor do I believe we should sell them as though they were cotton candy.  Again, sensible solutions exist, at least for the reasonable populous.

Cyclist

You can't convict if there is no law. Basic common sense. Common sense in the new amerika is not a given.

kellercl

Cyclist said:

You can't convict if there is no law. Basic common sense. Common sense in the new amerika is not a given.

Exactly my point.  A recently released convicted felon isn't allowed to own firearms, but many do.  Having the law on the books allows them to be taken off the streets potentially preemptively before they commit a serious crime.  The idea being propelled that laws aren't useful is poppycock.

micci_man

So where are all of the parents that have lost their children to opioids rallying at these days? That death toll is much higher than gun deaths.

kellercl

Resinhead said:

Nope, I full stop at number 3.  As a fishermen I support and defend the right of hunters.  Again, you are just as bad as the extreme left.  

kellercl

micci_man said:

So where are all of the parents that have lost their children to opioids rallying at these days? That death toll is much higher than gun deaths.

Didn't Trump just announce the war on opoids?  Meaning, problem identified and potential solutions being investigated.

Cyclist

micci_man said:

So where are all of the parents that have lost their children to opioids rallying at these days? That death toll is much higher than gun deaths.

Some, most likely on opioids themselves? Those that are not are HIGHLY vocal on real news channels and in real news sources.

 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/tag/opioids

cadman

They only got 5000 signatures not much of a movement

Cyclist

kellercl said:

micci_man said:

So where are all of the parents that have lost their children to opioids rallying at these days? That death toll is much higher than gun deaths.

Didn't Trump just announce the war on opoids?  Meaning, problem identified and potential solutions being investigated.

He just wants to prosecute people. Not help them.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/will-trumps-focus-on-prosecution-not-treatment-make-a-dent-in-opioid-addiction

mustang190

Tarponator said:

You seem to have again forgotten that laws are both a deterrent and a punishment.

Orwell indeed.

Pass all the laws you want, only the law abiding will obey them. 
 As been posted on here before, the real societal problems are being ignored. 

Tarponator

Nobody is ignoring the "real societal problems", but others sure like to point to them as a distraction when their precious guns come into focus.

And you sure seem to like to ignore the punishment aspect of our laws -- you know, what keeps the type of people who would break them off the streets and us law-abiding citizens safer as a result.

mustang190

And who is doing that? 

Tarponator

You. 

By continuously repeating the nihilistic mantra that "only the law abiding obey laws" you completely miss the fact that those same laws are used to make punishment more severe and to keep dangerous criminals off the street.

You are focused on deterrence and ignoring punishment.

So even if you were 100% right to point out that only the lawful obey the law (i.e. laws do not deter), these same laws are used to punish those who break them and put them behind bars and off our streets longer if/when they are caught and prosecuted (i.e. the law still provides punishment).

Does that make sense to you?

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Cyclist

mustang190 said:

Tarponator said:

You seem to have again forgotten that laws are both a deterrent and a punishment.

Orwell indeed.

Pass all the laws you want, only the law abiding will obey them. 
 As been posted on here before, the real societal problems are being ignored. 

It takes money to deal with problems and the only money the conservatives want to spend is for military, roads and to subsidize the fossil fuel industries. They are screwing America.

mustang190

Tarponator said:

You. 

By continuously repeating the nihilistic mantra that "only the law abiding obey laws" you completely miss the fact that those same laws are used to make punishment more severe and to keep dangerous criminals off the street.

You are focused on deterrence and ignoring punishment.

So even if you were 100% right to point out that only the lawful obey the law, these same laws are used to punish those who break them and put them behind bars and off our streets longer if/when they are eventually caught and punished.

Does that make sense to you?

Stop the condescending diatribe. 
You know as well as any that criminals don’t give a flip about your laws. 
 There are hundreds on the books now. 
How many are obeyed? More importantly, how many are enforced?
 I’m the last person who is worried about a confiscation of firearms. For one thing the lefties don’t have the balls to do it!
 And as far as “keeping the bad guys of the streets”? Hell, they let them out early in most states. 

mustang190

Cyclist said:

mustang190 said:

Tarponator said:

You seem to have again forgotten that laws are both a deterrent and a punishment.

Orwell indeed.

Pass all the laws you want, only the law abiding will obey them. 
 As been posted on here before, the real societal problems are being ignored. 

It takes money to deal with problems and the only money the conservatives want to spend is for military, roads and to subsidize the fossil fuel industries. They are screwing America.

How does money reduce the divorce rate or the out of wedlock birth rates? For instance. 
 
 

Cyclist

mustang190 said:

Cyclist said:

mustang190 said:

Tarponator said:

You seem to have again forgotten that laws are both a deterrent and a punishment.

Orwell indeed.

Pass all the laws you want, only the law abiding will obey them. 
 As been posted on here before, the real societal problems are being ignored. 

It takes money to deal with problems and the only money the conservatives want to spend is for military, roads and to subsidize the fossil fuel industries. They are screwing America.

How does money reduce the divorce rate or the out of wedlock birth rates? For instance. 
 
 

Federal jobs programs for Appalachia for example.

https://www.arc.gov/funding/FederalFunding.asp

Funding Available from Federal Agencies

Appalachian Regional Commission
The Appalachian Regional Commission funds projects that address the five goal areas identified in ARC's strategic plan: 1) investing in entrepreneurial and business development strategies that strengthen Appalachia's economy; 2) improving the education, knowledge, skills, and health of residents to work and succeed in Appalachia; 3) investing in critical infrastructure, especially broadband, transportation, including the Appalachian Development Highway System, and water/wastewater systems; 4) strengthening Appalachia's community and economic development potential by leveraging the Region's natural and cultural heritage assets; and 5) building the capacity and skills of current and next-generation leaders and organizations to innovate, collaborate, and advance community and economic development. For information on ARC funding, see ARC Grants and Contracts.

NewberryJeff

Tarponator said:

You. 

By continuously repeating the nihilistic mantra that "only the law abiding obey laws" you completely miss the fact that those same laws are used to make punishment more severe and to keep dangerous criminals off the street.

You are focused on deterrence and ignoring punishment.

So even if you were 100% right to point out that only the lawful obey the law (i.e. laws do not deter), these same laws are used to punish those who break them and put them behind bars and off our streets longer if/when they are caught and prosecuted (i.e. the law still provides punishment).

Does that make sense to you?

So, just keep passing laws and building prisons?  It hasn't seemed to work.

Tarponator

mustang190 said:

Tarponator said:

You. 

By continuously repeating the nihilistic mantra that "only the law abiding obey laws" you completely miss the fact that those same laws are used to make punishment more severe and to keep dangerous criminals off the street.

You are focused on deterrence and ignoring punishment.

So even if you were 100% right to point out that only the lawful obey the law, these same laws are used to punish those who break them and put them behind bars and off our streets longer if/when they are eventually caught and punished.

Does that make sense to you?

Stop the condescending diatribe. 
You know as well as any that criminals don’t give a flip about your laws. 
 There are hundreds on the books now. 
How many are obeyed? More importantly, how many are enforced?
 I’m the last person who is worried about a confiscation of firearms. For one thing the lefties don’t have the balls to do it!
 And as far as “keeping the bad guys of the streets”? Hell, they let them out early in most states. 

Stop using arguments that hold no water, and perhaps I'll stop with the condescending attitude.

Criminals actually do "give a flip" about laws, even if you want to ignore that effect.

To answer your question there are about 100k inmates in Florida state prisons:



You know, those people being punished for those laws you seem to think do nothing.

NewberryJeff

mustang190 said:

Cyclist said:

mustang190 said:

Tarponator said:

You seem to have again forgotten that laws are both a deterrent and a punishment.

Orwell indeed.

Pass all the laws you want, only the law abiding will obey them. 
 As been posted on here before, the real societal problems are being ignored. 

It takes money to deal with problems and the only money the conservatives want to spend is for military, roads and to subsidize the fossil fuel industries. They are screwing America.

How does money reduce the divorce rate or the out of wedlock birth rates? For instance. 
 
 

It doesn't, it contributes to them, but it can be used to build more prisons to house the resulting maladjusted offspring.

mustang190

So by your logic crime should be a thing of the past because so many criminals are frozen with fear. 
Got it!
 And we all know that federal money, or should I say, taxpayers money cures and eliminates all problems.  

mustang190