Arrests made in shark dragging case

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  • FlecFlec Posts: 512 Officer
    I can remember my fishing buddy slamming a catfish on the causeway railing and then kicking it into the water back in the 70's. I once hit a mudfish in the head with my paddle. I guess I should turn myself in now. Unreal!!!!!!!
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 2,809 Captain
    Flec wrote: »
    I can remember my fishing buddy slamming a catfish on the causeway railing and then kicking it into the water back in the 70's. I once hit a mudfish in the head with my paddle. I guess I should turn myself in now. Unreal!!!!!!!

    If you don't know the difference between killing something and torturing it for fun, I can't help you
    You should have been here yesterday
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 6,146 Admiral
    If you don't know the difference between killing something and torturing it for fun, I can't help you

    So hooking a fish in it's mouth for your amusement as it struggles for its life is not torturing it but dragging a shark is?
  • ncdeadncdead Posts: 545 Officer
    I remember seeing people stab skates on the pier and kicking them back into the water. Also recall as a very young kid seeing a dude from the pier house walking out an shooting at dolphins that were around the pier with a lever action rifle. I swear this happened....think would receive a felony charge these days?
  • FusionZ06FusionZ06 Posts: 960 Officer
    If you don't know the difference between killing something and torturing it for fun, I can't help you

    You ever fish live bait? Ever chum? Ever bounce pilchards off your motor? Poke the eyes out of your mullet while tarpon fishing? Kids are db's for sure but don''t think you're on some high road.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 2,890 Captain
    FusionZ06 wrote: »
    You ever fish live bait? Ever chum? Ever bounce pilchards off your motor? Poke the eyes out of your mullet while tarpon fishing? Kids are db's for sure but don''t think you're on some high road.

    Intent isn't the same. Let me ask this, what was the goal of the shark draggers? What was their end game? What were they trying to accomplish?
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 6,146 Admiral
    kellercl wrote: »
    Intent isn't the same. Let me ask this, what was the goal of the shark draggers? What was their end game? What were they trying to accomplish?

    Did you see the pictures of it after they cleaned it?
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 2,890 Captain
    Did you see the pictures of it after they cleaned it?

    I'll admit I have not, but the act still matters. A vet can put down a dog with barbital, but stranglation isn't ok. Plus these guys don't really have a great track record. Oh well, the courts can figure it out. I see no need to defend these guys, they strike me as bordeline pyshcopaths.

    Edit

    According to the Washington post, same day, they illegally speared a shark.... If this is true, I am baffled why people are defending them.
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 6,146 Admiral
    kellercl wrote: »
    I'll admit I have not, but the act still matters. A vet can put down a dog with barbital, but stranglation isn't ok. Plus these guys don't really have a great track record. Oh well, the courts can figure it out. I see no need to defend these guys, they strike me as bordeline pyshcopaths.

    The point I'm trying to make is fishing is not a kind sport, to the fish whether it be the bait or the quarry, just saying
    As far as I know there is no rule stating a shark of legal size may not be dragged faster than ___ or it must be dispatched in such a manner as to not cause it ______ or offend someone
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 2,890 Captain
    The point I'm trying to make is fishing is not a kind sport, to the fish whether it be the bait or the quarry, just saying
    As far as I know there is no rule stating a shark of legal size may not be dragged faster than ___ or it must be dispatched in such a manner as to not cause it ______ or offend someone

    I'm not a lawyer but for me these people are crazy. Illegally speared a shark. Caught another and shot it 3 times with a 38, then proceeded to drag it insanely fast..... All of it seems wildly inappropriate... add in the wild laughter and previous behavior... I don't get defending them. But fair enough, to each their own.
  • Geno67Geno67 Posts: 148 Deckhand
    I'm still glad they were charged. :)
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 7,198 Admiral
    The point I'm trying to make is fishing is not a kind sport, to the fish whether it be the bait or the quarry, just saying
    As far as I know there is no rule stating a shark of legal size may not be dragged faster than ___ or it must be dispatched in such a manner as to not cause it ______ or offend someone
    A person who unnecessarily overloads, overdrives, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance or shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, or kills any animal, or causes the same to be done, or carries in or upon any vehicle, or otherwise, any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, commits animal cruelty, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or both.

    #WINNING

    I hope these gets get pokeyed in the pokey.

    Captain Todd Approves

  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 9,218 Admiral
    mplspug wrote: »
    #WINNING

    I hope these gets get pokeyed in the pokey.

    someone gonna drag a shark across their forehead.....
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 7,198 Admiral
    someone gonna drag a shark across their forehead.....

    :rotflmao

    Captain Todd Approves

  • Florida BullfrogFlorida Bullfrog Posts: 1,815 Captain
    kellercl wrote: »
    Well that certainly isn't true. If a ride along with a friend and sit in the car while he robs a bank... yeah man, I'm getting charged. It is called being an accessory.

    Nope. Florida courts have overturned convictions where a person has been “along for the ride” in bank robberies and knew what was going on, but no evidence was present above their presence or knowledge they were participating.

    I’d bet my law degree, Bar license, and career as a prosecutor on it. 😉
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 2,890 Captain
    Nope. Florida courts have overturned convictions where a person has been “along for the ride” in bank robberies and knew what was going on, but no evidence was present above their presence or knowledge they were participating.

    Edit

    Additionally the reports I read indicate there was a 4th person who is cooperating and will testify against the other 3.
    I’d bet my law degree, Bar license, and career as a prosecutor on it. ��

    I'm pretty sure the ride along folks on the boat were knowlegable of their participation. I'm not sure how they will argue otherwise given the video evidence. But we shall see.
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 2,809 Captain
    kellercl wrote: »
    I'll admit I have not, but the act still matters. A vet can put down a dog with barbital, but stranglation isn't ok. Plus these guys don't really have a great track record. Oh well, the courts can figure it out. I see no need to defend these guys, they strike me as bordeline pyshcopaths.

    Edit

    According to the Washington post, same day, they illegally speared a shark.... If this is true, I am baffled why people are defending them.

    Good point
    You should have been here yesterday
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 2,809 Captain
    So hooking a fish in it's mouth for your amusement as it struggles for its life is not torturing it but dragging a shark is?

    I believe that is the case. It's like pornography, you know it when you see it
    You should have been here yesterday
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 2,809 Captain
    The point I'm trying to make is fishing is not a kind sport, to the fish whether it be the bait or the quarry, just saying
    As far as I know there is no rule stating a shark of legal size may not be dragged faster than ___ or it must be dispatched in such a manner as to not cause it ______ or offend someone

    I understand your point. But when you see something that makes you sick to your stomach and it makes you ashamed to be a human being, it's probably not ok
    You should have been here yesterday
  • Florida BullfrogFlorida Bullfrog Posts: 1,815 Captain
    kellercl wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the ride along folks on the boat were knowlegable of their participation. I'm not sure how they will argue otherwise given the video evidence. But we shall see.

    They’re not guilty under the law if they knew of the dragging and even enjoyed watching it. They can only be guilty if they actually participated. Meaning they helped rig the shark up or helped drive the boat, or told someone else how to do the deed.

    See, juries convict people on emotion all the time. I have no doubt a jury could convict them based on being offended by one of the accused laughing at the shark, with no further evidence. But that would be wrong and would be overturned on appeal.

    At some point in the near future the court documents will become public record. Then it can be known exactly what the case consists of.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 2,890 Captain
    They’re not guilty under the law if they knew of the dragging and even enjoyed watching it. They can only be guilty if they actually participated. Meaning they helped rig the shark up or helped drive the boat, or told someone else how to do the deed.

    See, juries convict people on emotion all the time. I have no doubt a jury could convict them based on being offended by one of the accused laughing at the shark, with no further evidence. But that would be wrong and would be overturned on appeal.

    At some point in the near future the court documents will become public record. Then it can be known exactly what the case consists of.

    According to the Washington post there was a 4th person on the boat who is providing testimony against the other 3. I'll defer to your expertise, but given the video evidence along with a first hand account... I would be rather nervous if I were one of those three idiots.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 9,177 Admiral
    Westwall01 wrote: »
    I can assure you that no one in this case is being prosecuted that was not a willing participant. Warrants were obtained and as such there was a three step process involved to ensure P.C. exists which included investigators writing out a warrant request which was then approved the by the State Attorney which was then approved by a Judge.
    and public opinion never will sway a SA to charge or not to charge...:rolleyes
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • tankardtankard Posts: 6,540 Admiral
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    and public opinion never will sway a SA to charge or not to charge...:rolleyes


    OMG I agree with Art!

    Beers for all!
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 2,890 Captain
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    and public opinion never will sway a SA to charge or not to charge...:rolleyes

    And if reports are accurate and they illegally speared a blacknose shark..... and filmed it.... why shouldn't they be charged?
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 6,146 Admiral
    tankard wrote: »
    OMG I agree with Art!

    Beers for all!

    Crap I agree with both of y'all
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 6,146 Admiral
    kellercl wrote: »
    And if reports are accurate and they illegally speared a blacknose shark..... and filmed it.... why shouldn't they be charged?

    I thought this thread was about being cruel to a shark by dragging it
  • finbullyfinbully Posts: 481 Deckhand
    They’re not guilty under the law if they knew of the dragging and even enjoyed watching it. They can only be guilty if they actually participated. Meaning they helped rig the shark up or helped drive the boat, or told someone else how to do the deed.

    A person other than the operator at the helm produced the video on board the boat. That assumes participation and therefore charges. Unless the video producer has made a deal, he/she is at risk of conviction without emotion [prejudice].
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 2,890 Captain
    I thought this thread was about being cruel to a shark by dragging it

    I thought it was about charges against these guys, which apparently includes illegally spearing a blacknose shark in which they filmed right before dragging a different shark.... you do realize part of the charges include illegal method of take.... right? Remind me again why people are defending these guys?
  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,104 Admiral
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    and public opinion never will sway a SA to charge or not to charge...:rolleyes
    I fully understand where your coming from Art, but that's not the case here.
  • 2amigo2amigo Posts: 4,211 Captain
    The arrests made were from numerous violations not just the shark. The shark is just went internet viral. The lack of respect that these guys (especially the ringleader) have towards anything, not just this one video is ridiculous. It's deeper than what you see online.
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