Tesla issues

johnpowers

You’re not supposed to ask those questions. 

bicyclist

Land based energy of ANY source is cleaner than mobile internal combustion engines. That in itself is a big deal. Add the fact that solar and wind will replace carbon based fuels eventually is also important. Just wait until all those backward thinking science deniers die off...progress will happen.

johnpowers

From the guy who drives an old diesel smoke blowing pickup!

Tarponator

Biglar,  That's kind of the point of increasing solar and wind power (and geothermal) -- to make up for the reduction in more traditional, dirtier and more destructive, methods of power generation.  Nobody is saying the change will or should come instantly....Mike

MRichardson

3 words:

Nuke

Cu

Ler

dave44

MRichardson said:

3 words:

Nuke

Cu

Ler

Nu
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🧐

Tarponator

Nuclear isn't a bad idea if you neglect pit mining for uranium and nuclear accidents.  Not sure if it would make into my top 3 in terms of long term energy sources, but given we already have the infrastructure and it's reasonably safe (so far at least here in the USA), it will continue to play a role in energy production for the foreseeable future.  I would certainly prefer nuclear to gas, oil, and coal fired plants.

Big Battery

bicyclist said:

Land based energy of ANY source is cleaner than mobile internal combustion engines. That in itself is a big deal. Add the fact that solar and wind will replace carbon based fuels eventually is also important. Just wait until all those backward thinking science deniers die off...progress will happen.

Nope.

biglar

I agree that nuclear (George Dubya = nucular :-) is prob'ly the most practical solution, but there is such a frothy mouthed hysteria against it in some quarters that I foresee a long, hard road ahead for that option.  Not going to get into a discussion over that....it's real.

The main thing that drove my previous question is that our power grids are heavily loaded now, if not overloaded......and now we're going to have umpteen 1,000, if not million electric cars - and trucks, soon heavy trucks - dumped into the equation, all of which will need charging - enormous additional load on the grid.

Yes, wind and solar are great sources, but very under-developed as yet and there's still the problem of solar at night and wind on calm days/nights.  Store it ??  Yah, shore, but stop to think of the titanic storage means that would be necessary in a country of 300 million people.  Where would you even start ??  With what ??  Lots and lots of batteries ??  Yah, it'd take lots.

If electric vehicles really take off - and I'm all for it and I think they will - they've already started - I foresee a very touchy teething period as we sort it out and develop accessible power sources.  Hmmm.....??  Carry a portable gasoline generator in the trunk ??  :-(  (joke, joke)

Personally, I think hydro is the best, cleanest, most practical option, but where to build the dams ??  Pleeease not another Hetch Hetchy or Glen Canyon.  Surely there must be smaller scale places that could benefit from a new recreational reservoir without the huge impact of, say, a Grand Canyon Dam.  That would be a nightmare beyond belief.

treemanjohn

Nukler is by far the best source for electricity, but beauracy and regulations makes it almost impossible to get a plant up and running

Gary S

I haven't heard about the tear down the dams crowds. What are the reasons? Personally I would think it was the cleanest of power and also works for water supply.

bicyclist

Gary S said:

I haven't heard about the tear down the dams crowds. What are the reasons? Personally I would think it was the cleanest of power and also works for water supply.

Fish...course that is lost on this crowd. Look into snake river dam removal....considering 4 now.

treemanjohn

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Car rental company Nextmove has walked away from a 5 million euros ($5.55 million) order for 85 Tesla Model 3 electric vehicles following a dispute over how to fix quality issues, the German company said on Friday.

Nextmove said it had ordered 100 electric vehicles in 2018 but raised objections over quality and finish after taking delivery of the first 15 Model 3 cars earlier this year.

The rental company said following a dispute over how to resolve the quality shortcomings, Tesla triggered a refund clause but Tesla disputes that it cancelled the order.

Tesla said Nextmove chose not to take delivery of the cars.

Nextmove said its Model 3 vehicles had paint defects, faulty wiring, scratches on the dashboard, faulty wheels and condensation in the headlights.

Offering faulty vehicles to rental customers would compromise Nextmove's reputation for quality, the German company said.

Tesla said it was in the process of resolving the issues and had provided replacement vehicles

biglar

A friend sent me this yesterday.  Seems like something to think about:  

https://www.avweb.com/recent-updates/business-military/zeroavia-introduces-hydrogen-fueled-powertrain/

Resinhead

treemanjohn

I image putting out a solar panel fire could be tricky

Resinhead

They are hard to handle coming out of the box. My guys had to wear 2 sets of gloves, long sleeves and long pants just to get them in place. We ran a lull and lifted crates to the roof to unpack. If we unpacked on the ground they were too hot to handle and get to the roof. You wouldn't want to touch bare skin to any part of the panels.

johnpowers

Resinhead said:

They are hard to handle coming out of the box. My guys had to wear 2 sets of gloves, long sleeves and long pants just to get them in place. We ran a lull and lifted crates to the roof to unpack. If we unpacked on the ground they were too hot to handle and get to the roof. You wouldn't want to touch bare skin to any part of the panels.

Just do it at night. 

kellercl

I like the idea of a Tesla battery on a skiff.  No loud motor could be great for fishing.

MRichardson

When they get batteries figured out to really last, that will be awesome. Motor noise on boats is something that could still use abatement.  I want an electric mud motor that'll run for 6 hrs straight.

kellercl

Telsa gets something like 200 miles, not sure how that translates to a boat.  Maybe 50 miles?  Pretty solid for inshore fishing.  

dave44

kellercl said:

I like the idea of a Tesla battery on a skiff.  No loud motor could be great for fishing.

A fire on a boat isn’t pretty. If you are on it at the time.

kellercl

Gas can start a fire, no?

bicyclist

dave44 said:

kellercl said:

I like the idea of a Tesla battery on a skiff.  No loud motor could be great for fishing.

A fire on a boat isn’t pretty. If you are on it at the time.

gas versus diesel = bombs

FloridaMetalFab

bicyclist said:

Land based energy of ANY source is cleaner than mobile internal combustion engines. That in itself is a big deal. Add the fact that solar and wind will replace carbon based fuels eventually is also important. Just wait until all those backward thinking science deniers die off...progress will happen.

There's a natural gas power plant just built in Texas that produces zero emissions. Look up Net Power.

bicyclist

FloridaMetalFab said:

bicyclist said:

Land based energy of ANY source is cleaner than mobile internal combustion engines. That in itself is a big deal. Add the fact that solar and wind will replace carbon based fuels eventually is also important. Just wait until all those backward thinking science deniers die off...progress will happen.

There's a natural gas power plant just built in Texas that produces zero emissions. Look up Net Power.

That's pretty cool. They do things like this a lot in Europe. The plant does produce a stream of pollutants but they are sequestered for industrial use. In EU they colocate power generation and industry so the by products can be piped next door and turned into products that use the wastes. Seems like common sense.

dave44

kellercl said:

Gas can start a fire, no?

And yet it’s batteries we’ve been hearing so much about.

kellercl

I thought news was mostly fake?  I guess it isn't, when the story fits an agenda? 

bicyclist

dave44 said:

kellercl said:

Gas can start a fire, no?

And yet it’s batteries we’ve been hearing so much about.

I think most all car fires seem to start with battery or electrical. Did you know that pretty much ALL CARS have batteries.

kellercl

For that matter, boats already have batteries for electronics and live wells.  Too each their own, but a fully battery powered inshore boat sounds amazing.