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Yes... and that said...I don't mind paying....but the total burden is on the hunter (commercial guides aside)...... $25 for 6 hours...sounds like a Disney park :wink
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
I did read that. I wish they would close it down until they figured out what was going on too. Honestly, I think this refuge cares nothing about the waters, the hunters, the fish or the fisherman/boaters.
They care about the visitor center, the manatee deck and blackpoint.
Saltwater Fishing Videos
It took several years and some $$ to find the old papers, maybe you need to invest more than just some internet posturing.
kellerci, best available science is what we work off of, come up with a better system and set the fishery management world on fire or...:shrug
Well science is what I do for a living. Not specifically marine biology, but still perhaps some day I will get directly involved. Hence my curiosity on the subject. The problem with working as a scientist for government agencies is the pay is rather laughable. But once I am done with the private sector, I could easily see myself getting involved with something I am more passionate about. Fisheries certainly would be of a personal interest, but not till the kids get through college/grad school.
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Either way, getting back on topic, I still have a hard time believing the 8,400 lbs. per day is accurate. That would be an insane amount of trout. Over 3,000,000 pounds a year of trout caught by Florida recreational fisherman? Depending on size, but assuming the average is 2 lbs, that is 1,500,000 trout taken out of the water for the dinner plate a year... I suppose it is possible, but my skepticism meter is going berserk.
"Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
Seem right to me. That's only 100 trout over 30 coastal counties.
What is so hard about this? There is 1350 miles of coastline in Florida. It's not insane. A good rec guy can take limits from Tampa through the big bend and to west florida easily when they want to. Until recently you could do the same from Stuart to Jacksonville.
Great points, comm. guys are just another deflection from the REAL problems facing our fisheries and that is habitat and water quality. By the way I don't fish up there because of all the guide traffic.
Personally I am bothered by a numerical value, in this case ~3,000,000 lbs. per year, presented unattached. There are no footnotes, no bookmarks, no references... further more I assume this number was calculated via some sort of mathematical model, which means there should be some sort of statistical parameters in association. Such as (but not limited too) Stdev, RSD, 95% CF, t-test... and many others. Perhaps the most important being a p-value demonstrating the "researchers" verified the required sample size was meet.
So, what I personally find so "hard" to accept is this value being tossed around in the name of science, but yet it couldn't have been reported in a less satisfactory fashion as it relates to standard operating procedures within the field. Go check out some journals if you don't want to take my word for it. The data is being presented sloppy at best, and frankly I am being overly generous. The sloppy nature makes me question the validity and rightfully so. Whomever put that deck together, clearly isn't a scientist. Perhaps the data is correct, again I can say, because they provide nothing other than randomly putting out a number with the expectation that people should just accept it as fact. I don't operate that way. Making up numbers is easy, doing real science isn't. I do not nor will I ever just accept any silly number thrown out there, not unless somebody backs it properly with documentation.
Lastly I will admit when people form their argument without references/documentation, yeah I automatically assume there is a reason why..... mostly because, more often than not, there a reason.
"Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
I'm just an old dummy....but I know what I pay....and I know who does not pay....:wink
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
:Agree Until the habitat is restored, trout should be strictly catch and release.
http://myfwc.com/research/saltwater/fishstats/recreational-fisheries/landings
You could suggest tags for each fish harvested sold by the state for a small fee with the fees collected used for habitat restoration/leo..
Win win for everyone..
Thanks for the web link, I'll check it out once I get out of my meetings. I appreciate all the information, this stuff is quite fascinating.
"Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
EPA Chief Scott Pruitt: "Science Shouldn't Dictate American Policy"
:hairraiser
Here's the problem with the "best" available science copied from the link provided:
"The MRIP estimates more than 6.6 million recreational anglers took more than 29.3 million saltwater fishing trips statewide in Florida during 2006."
"On average, field samplers interview 44,000 anglers in Florida annually. Field intercepts are conducted at ramps, marinas, docks, piers, beaches, and other fishing access points."
That's less than 1% of total recreational anglers and a small fraction of 1% of saltwater fishing trips. And of those, how many were the Duckman Jr's of the world compared to a visiting tourist on a head boat or the beer drinker who tells his wife he is going fishing.....not to mention all fisherpersons are pathological liars when it comes to their preferred hobby. In other words, the term "recreational" angler is pretty broad. Extrapolating out catch/survival rates from that sample size given the wide variety of both anglers and species seems dubious at best.
Yeah, well... I prefer to stay out of politics... I'll just say I couldn't disagree more with Mr. Pruitt.
"Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
I am new to this entire thing, but why can't they just make an optional online survey/fish log? I would be more than happy to participate. I would imagine a great many agree, increasing the 'n' will increase the accuracy of the mean. Seems easy and reasonable to me.
"Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
Duckmanjr's of the world? ... Was that some kind of cheap shot at old people? :rotflmao
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Well, yes....my "anecdotal" science...is better than what they present......and....you know it! :wink
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Fishing guides will be next, then rec fisherman. A catch and release guide is nothing more than a professional fish harasser and has probably harassed the same fish more than once.
Not sure what is going on with the duck season though?
volunteer data has accuracy concerns, but those concerns are reduced (in some cases minimized) with increased sample size via p-value. Funding is always a problem, too many people want to play but not enough want to pay.
"Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
This is why I don't like you Yankees.. don't move in my hood.. K?