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Pulling tarpon out of water for pictures

andrewthe1andrewthe1 Posts: 801 Officer
Whats up with this, is it enforced?

I read the law as gills and head must remain in the water but see TONS of pic(some on these forums) of fish all but the tail out of the water.

Just trying to be clear so I can help educate others.
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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,921 Admiral
    At least 30% die from predation after being pulled from the water.
  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,452 Admiral
  • gatorhookgatorhook Posts: 663 Officer
    Tarpon are such an endangered species!
  • NorthernNorthern Posts: 903 Officer
    So if you catch a small one off of a channel seawall, and can't reach the water, you must cut the line? This is better for a small tarpon than netting it quickly, removing the hook, and then releasing?
  • jbdba01jbdba01 Posts: 144 Deckhand
    Seems to be a bit ambigous...

    http://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/tarpon/faqs/

    "Can I remove a tarpon from the water for a photo?
    A tarpon that does not have a tarpon tag attached to it can be temporarily possessed only for photography, measurement of length and girth and scientific sampling, with the stipulation that tarpon more than 40 inches fork length must remain in the water."

    Apparently what "in the water" seems to be open to debate.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 587 Officer
    jbdba01 wrote: »
    Seems to be a bit ambigous...

    http://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/tarpon/faqs/

    "Can I remove a tarpon from the water for a photo?
    A tarpon that does not have a tarpon tag attached to it can be temporarily possessed only for photography, measurement of length and girth and scientific sampling, with the stipulation that tarpon more than 40 inches fork length must remain in the water."

    Apparently what "in the water" seems to be open to debate.

    "must remain in the water" is not open for debate.

    On this page the FWC inadequately provided the reader with ambiguous terms that have been misinterpreted by many because the FWC on that particular web page did not include the simple word "completely" in "must remain in the water".

    Here is the page in question:

    http://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/tarpon/

    On that FWC web page it states: "No Minimum Size Limit; Tarpon over 40 inches MUST remain in the water"

    This summary on the FWC site as it says "Tarpon over 40 inches MUST remain in the water" on that page leaves much open for misinterpretation because of one left off simple word " completely".

    Now go down to the bottom of that FWC page:
    http://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/tarpon/

    and you will see a URL click on "Florida Rule".

    Click on "Florida Rule", then click on "Definitions".

    This shows what the legal definition of a Tarpon is:

    68B-32.002 Definitions.
    As used in Chapter 68B-32, F.A.C.:

    (3) “Tarpon” means a fish of the species Megalops atlanticus, or any part thereof.

    So when the law says "Tarpon over 40 inches must remain in the water" BY LEGAL DEFINITION OF TARPON THAT IS THE WHOLE TARPON, THE COMPLETE TARPON, 100% OF THE TARPON. THERE IS NO AMBIGUITY HERE. When the law says tarpon over 40 inches must remain in the water and the legal definition of Tarpon includes any part thereof then that unambiguously includes all of the tarpon and not just part of the tarpon.

    Now click on

    https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=TARPON&ID=68B-32.002

    Then Click on:

    https://www.flrules.org/gateway/ruleNo.asp?id=68B-32.001

    Then Click on:

    https://www.flrules.org/Gateway/View_notice.asp?id=12996368

    Under "PURPOSE"

    This rule amendment will convey that tarpon will be managed as a catch and release only fishery, establish tarpon as a hook and line only fishery, remove the provision that allows for a recreational bag limit of tarpon, extend tarpon rules into adjacent federal waters, reduce the transport and shipment possession allowance to one tarpon per person, and allow temporary possession for photography, measurement of length and girth, and taking a scientific sample, provided that all tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length must be kept completely in the water, and all tarpon must be released immediately following the authorized activities in the area where caught.

    Under "Summary":

    68B-32.004 will be amended to remove the provision that allows for a recreational bag limit of tarpon, and allow temporary possession for photography, measurement of length and girth, and taking a scientific sample, provided that all tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length must be kept completely in the water, and all tarpon must be released immediately after the authorized activities in the area where caught.

    The FWC needs to rework the ambiguous misleading and easily misinterpreted lame tarpon law summary on FWC webpage http://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/tarpon/page that ambiguously states: "Tarpon over 40 inches MUST remain in the water, by adding just one simple word "completely".

    AN ARTICLE IN JADA (JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION) IN 2001 HAS THE ADMISSION THAT FLUORIDE SWALLOWED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE TEETH IS "INSUFFICIENT TO HAVE A MEASURABLE EFFECT" ON REDUCING CAVITIES."

    THE NOW CORRUPTED MEDIA MANIPULATES BY USING ORWELLIAN NEWSPEAK. In Orwell's words, Newspeak was "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak seeks to eliminate or alter certain words that do not fit the media's ideological agenda. In Orwell's novel 1984 Newspeak is a way of controlling the people's language in order to keep the peons under ideological control.Newspeak is deceptive and deceitful as it stifles free speech and only allows only certain approved words, phrases and ideas to be used while other words are forbidden.

    Fauci's "Gain of Function" is newspeak for enhancing the contagiousness of a virus for use as a biological weapon in war. It was dumb, stupid and a threat to national security for the US  government with Fauci's blessing to help fund biological weapons enhancement in an arch enemy's country.  When Fauci used and pushed the euphemistic misnomer deceptive term "gain of function" the con was on.

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  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 10,748 AG
    "Completely" would be impossible unless you cut the line instead of removing the hook as part of the head would almost always be out of the water while removing the hook. Most laws are written purposely with gray areas. It keeps lawyers and judges in business.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 587 Officer
    conchydong wrote: »
    "Completely" would be impossible unless you cut the line instead of removing the hook as part of the head would almost always be out of the water while removing the hook. Most laws are written purposely with gray areas. It keeps lawyers and judges in business.

    Completely means just that.
    The FWC does not think "completely" is impossible as the FWC is now mandating "completely".

    "Completely" is not even close to impossible, it is very easy to do and it fact it is now the law. If you cannot comply with this law by leaning over the side of the boat then get yourself a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or an 8 foot dehooking device that slides down over the line/leader to the hook and allows the hook to be easily removed even 8 feet away from the angler while the tarpon is COMPLETELY in the water, simple as that.

    AN ARTICLE IN JADA (JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION) IN 2001 HAS THE ADMISSION THAT FLUORIDE SWALLOWED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE TEETH IS "INSUFFICIENT TO HAVE A MEASURABLE EFFECT" ON REDUCING CAVITIES."

    THE NOW CORRUPTED MEDIA MANIPULATES BY USING ORWELLIAN NEWSPEAK. In Orwell's words, Newspeak was "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak seeks to eliminate or alter certain words that do not fit the media's ideological agenda. In Orwell's novel 1984 Newspeak is a way of controlling the people's language in order to keep the peons under ideological control.Newspeak is deceptive and deceitful as it stifles free speech and only allows only certain approved words, phrases and ideas to be used while other words are forbidden.

    Fauci's "Gain of Function" is newspeak for enhancing the contagiousness of a virus for use as a biological weapon in war. It was dumb, stupid and a threat to national security for the US  government with Fauci's blessing to help fund biological weapons enhancement in an arch enemy's country.  When Fauci used and pushed the euphemistic misnomer deceptive term "gain of function" the con was on.

    "Gain of Function" newspeak for "Viral Biological Warfare Weapons Enhancement".

    "Undocumented Immigrant" newspeak for "illegal alien".

    "Progressive" newspeak for "Marxist".

    "Dreamers" newspeak for "illegal aliens".

    "Immigration Reform" newspeak for "illegal alien amnesty".

    "Xenophobia" newspeak for those that want border security.

    "Gun control" newspeak for "confiscate your guns".

    "Pro-choice" newspeak for "pro-abortion".

    "Math is racist" newspeak for "we are too lazy to learn math".

    "Critical Race Theory" newspeak for "Reverse Discrimination Marxism".

    When a snake oil salesman knows that the snake oil does not sell with the accurate name he simply changes the name to the NEWSPEAK euphemistic misnomer "Magic Medicinal Elixir" to sell his misrepresented product otherwise not sellable.



  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,454 AG
    just cut down the lip to the hook with a serrated knife while leaving the fish 100% in the water...

    Works for jewfish too.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 10,748 AG
    Wonder if anyone saw the new TV commercial promoting Key West and the Keys after the Hurricane? Has a nice looking girl holding a Tarpon out of the water. :grin So much for political correctness.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • mburke001 aka TripleBmburke001 aka TripleB Posts: 1,585 Captain
    The following is an excerpt from the FWC website Survival rates for some Florida fishes (Techniques to Reduce Catch and Release Mortality)

    Controlled studies have shown that most fish released after hook-and-line capture, survive. Researchers working in Boca Grande Pass tagged 27 tarpon with sonic transmitters and found that 26 of these hook-and-line-caught fish survived. The one fish that died had been lifted from the water for a prerelease photograph...

    I also saw this on the FWC website under the heading, Tarpon, fishing tips:

    Other tips
    Do not drag tarpon over the gunnel of a boat.
    Use a dehooking tool.
    Tarpon smaller than 40” should be supported horizontally when removed from the water. Tarpon larger than 40” must remain in the water.
    Do not fish for tarpon when large predatory sharks are in the area feeding. If sharks show up, move to another fishing location

    Ambiguous: study shows that lifting the tarpon could possibly injure the fish, yet on the tips,there's an example how to lift smaller tarpon from the water. The only thing I could guess is that the study were researching larger tarpon?

    Maybe FWC could clarify. Thanks.
  • FusionZ06FusionZ06 Posts: 1,031 Officer
    Completely means just that.
    The FWC does not think "completely" is impossible as the FWC is now mandating "completely".

    "Completely" is not even close to impossible, it is very easy to do and it fact it is now the law. If you cannot comply with this law by leaning over the side of the boat then get yourself a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or an 8 foot dehooking device that slides down over the line/leader to the hook and allows the hook to be easily removed even 8 feet away from the angler while the tarpon is COMPLETELY in the water, simple as that.

    Get real. You're so full of crap. You don't revive a single fish then? I'll pop the hook with pliers, get a quick picture and then revive him until he kicks hard.
  • FusionZ06FusionZ06 Posts: 1,031 Officer
    The following is an excerpt from the FWC website Survival rates for some Florida fishes (Techniques to Reduce Catch and Release Mortality)

    Controlled studies have shown that most fish released after hook-and-line capture, survive. Researchers working in Boca Grande Pass tagged 27 tarpon with sonic transmitters and found that 26 of these hook-and-line-caught fish survived. The one fish that died had been lifted from the water for a prerelease photograph...

    I also saw this on the FWC website under the heading, Tarpon, fishing tips:

    Other tips
    Do not drag tarpon over the gunnel of a boat.
    Use a dehooking tool.
    Tarpon smaller than 40” should be supported horizontally when removed from the water. Tarpon larger than 40” must remain in the water.
    Do not fish for tarpon when large predatory sharks are in the area feeding. If sharks show up, move to another fishing location

    Ambiguous: study shows that lifting the tarpon could possibly injure the fish, yet on the tips,there's an example how to lift smaller tarpon from the water. The only thing I could guess is that the study were researching larger tarpon?

    Maybe FWC could clarify. Thanks.

    That study is garbage. Sweet a whole 27 tarpon - get real. I love the fish and take care of them but anyone who fishes for tarpon at all and then argues that they aren't "hurting" them by fishing for them and that photographing the fish is the "real" problem is ignorant. If you care so much about the tarpon don't fish for them. Period. It's double-speak to fish for them yet claim that a quick photo is the issue. Let me clarify I'm not for pulling 100lb fish into the boat but a boat side picture holding the fish by the jaw is the least of the tarpon's worries after being yanked on to exhaustion for 30 minutes.
  • Noj8152Noj8152 Posts: 17 Greenhorn
    There is no rule or law stating that any fish swimming in Florida waters cannot be removed from the water except for the sawfish! The recommendation or best practice is that if possible, keep the fish in the water but if you need to remove it to retrieve your tackle and or take a photo, do so with as little damage to the fish as possible.
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 10,073 AG

    an I remove a tarpon from the water for a photo?

    A tarpon that does not have a tarpon tag attached to it can be temporarily possessed only for photography, measurement of length and girth and scientific sampling, with the stipulation that tarpon more than 40 inches fork length must remain in the water.


    http://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/tarpon/faqs/

  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,452 Admiral
  • Turner River TerrorTurner River Terror Posts: 9,676 Admiral
    Funny how a fish our early settlers used for fertilizer became so protected once they became worth money. 
    It's a Tourist Fish $$$
    Killin and Grillin :grin
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 10,073 AG
    Some fish are worth catching more than once
  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 4,038 Captain
    FusionZ06 said:


    That study is garbage. Sweet a whole 27 tarpon - get real. I love the fish and take care of them but anyone who fishes for tarpon at all and then argues that they aren't "hurting" them by fishing for them and that photographing the fish is the "real" problem is ignorant. If you care so much about the tarpon don't fish for them. Period. It's double-speak to fish for them yet claim that a quick photo is the issue. Let me clarify I'm not for pulling 100lb fish into the boat but a boat side picture holding the fish by the jaw is the least of the tarpon's worries after being yanked on to exhaustion for 30 minutes.
    Yep, pretty soon the regulations will say you can only fight the tarpon for 15 minutes then you will have to cut your line and release the fish.  Stupid.  Anyone that catches a nice tarpon should be allowed to get a decent photo with the fish.  That regulation needs revision.
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  • Docked WagesDocked Wages Posts: 2,974 Admin
    The intent of this law is obvious, they want to stop anglers from hoisting a huge tarpon by its lip or gills for that "trophy" shot.  The physical strain it puts on the fish is detrimental to its health.   Leave big ones in the water and take that pic boat side.  this saves the fish and everyone will applaud you for your conservation of the the resource.   Smaller tarpon handle as you would a redfish or other game fish.  
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    USCG 100t Master, Assist Tow
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