Palm Beach Co FL

stc1993

This is bad. How can they get away with this crap. Nothing but fraud.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/megyn-kelly/florida-s-billion-dollar-drug-treatment-industry-plagued-overdoses-fraud-n773376

Menzies

Praying on the families who see them as their last hope.

Griz

They do it under the guise of the AWDA. they've tried to put several in our neighborhood. The need to be regulated and kept out of single family neighborhoods.

PROFINITY

Appeal your tax bill if you have one of these sober houses near you. The only language government understands is the universal language called money.

baitstealer

What an outrage ! My wife is a recovering addict,and I am friends with many others.People like this Chatman are the lowest form of human beings.I'm glad my wife didnt get caught up in that system.The drugs were bad enough.
Addicts need help,not hate.Real help,not these outlaws!

Gardawg

don't be an addict

problem solved

fish_stix

Nobody twists your arm to become an addict or an alcoholic. What's the difference between those who become addicted and those who don't? Self-control, which seems to be a missing trait in our permissive society. As for me, I absolutely hate paying, through taxes and Obamacare, for these people, like the non-working welfare king down the street who has an ambulance and firetruck in front of his house on a weekly basis. I would definitely vote for a law rescinding any taxpayer support through Federally mandated health programs for voluntary addicts and alcoholics. Many of you will say that it costs more to not treat them. BS! Read the above article and tell me that!

Menzies

fish_stix wrote: »

Nobody twists your arm to become an addict or an alcoholic. What's the difference between those who become addicted and those who don't? Self-control, which seems to be a missing trait in our permissive society. As for me, I absolutely hate paying, through taxes and Obamacare, for these people, like the non-working welfare king down the street who has an ambulance and firetruck in front of his house on a weekly basis. I would definitely vote for a law rescinding any taxpayer support through Federally mandated health programs for voluntary addicts and alcoholics. Many of you will say that it costs more to not treat them. BS! Read the above article and tell me that!

Oh For Christ's sake (and I do mean for Christ's sake), Do you really believe that?

What about the cost of smokers? The obese? Type 2 diabetics?

Childbirth is the highest reason for hospitalization and the third most expensive. What should be done about that?

pottydoc

So, you are trying to compare mothers going to a hospital to give birth with drug addiction? I believe that might be a liiiittle bit of a stretch, there. Well, actually it's just plain out wrong, but you get credit for trying.

MRichardson

This isn't any different from how medical providers/billers defraud patients every day.
The fact that it's on the extreme end of the spectrum is the only thing special about it.

baitstealer

fish_stix wrote: »

Nobody twists your arm to become an addict or an alcoholic. What's the difference between those who become addicted and those who don't? Self-control, which seems to be a missing trait in our permissive society. As for me, I absolutely hate paying, through taxes and Obamacare, for these people, like the non-working welfare king down the street who has an ambulance and firetruck in front of his house on a weekly basis. I would definitely vote for a law rescinding any taxpayer support through Federally mandated health programs for voluntary addicts and alcoholics. Many of you will say that it costs more to not treat them. BS! Read the above article and tell me that!

Addiction is not a choice,it's a disease.Addicts brains work differently.No one wakes up one day and decides to become a drug addict.
Most have been through some kind of traumatic event(s),that led them to drugs.They turn to drugs,because they have no other way to
cope with things.I used to feel the same way you did,until addiction touched my life.Now,I think differently.Attend a Narcotics Anonymous meeting,sometime.Educate yourself on addiction.Once you understand addiction better,you'll see it's not just "self-control".

Heatwave

baitstealer wrote: »

Addiction is not a choice,it's a disease.Addicts brains work differently.No one wakes up one day and decides to become a drug addict.
Most have been through some kind of traumatic event(s),that led them to drugs.They turn to drugs,because they have no other way to
cope with things.I used to feel the same way you did,until addiction touched my life.Now,I think differently.Attend a Narcotics Anonymous meeting,sometime.Educate yourself on addiction.Once you understand addiction better,you'll see it's not just "self-control".

Good luck getting that point across on this site.. It is the patients fault, then O-care, then Insurance, then .... Never the rich smart Banking big buck insurance fraudsters, and those running rehabs behind the scene who are ONLY good white business men trying to help society...

In all honesty, it is the whole system, it does start with the patient... Know many of them, and once past that certain point, it is most likely death or a life long struggle until dead... Maybe 5% come out of it, go completely clean and onto a good normal life...

To do away with this problem you will have to limit all Pain killers to 5mg tops and small scripts. Then, put up really huge jail time for dealers, not users of H... None of it will happen because those in charge know it will filter out the white trailer trash, put money in the pockets of law enforcement, Doctors and other facilities... Just like other bad things for you, it creates wealth for those that don't use it..

Heatwave

pottydoc wrote: »

So, you are trying to compare mothers going to a hospital to give birth with drug addiction? I believe that might be a liiiittle bit of a stretch, there. Well, actually it's just plain out wrong, but you get credit for trying.

It doesn't matter as far as Medicare and Insurance care.... Both fundings are going away... Thus, the next BIG thing will be all the poor ladies having babies at home and then dropping off at Fire Dept... Next BIG THING IS "Orphanages' Sure they are talking about it on the golf courses around the country as we type...

Heatwave

fish_stix wrote: »

Nobody twists your arm to become an addict or an alcoholic. What's the difference between those who become addicted and those who don't? Self-control, which seems to be a missing trait in our permissive society. As for me, I absolutely hate paying, through taxes and Obamacare, for these people, like the non-working welfare king down the street who has an ambulance and firetruck in front of his house on a weekly basis. I would definitely vote for a law rescinding any taxpayer support through Federally mandated health programs for voluntary addicts and alcoholics. Many of you will say that it costs more to not treat them. BS! Read the above article and tell me that!

I agree with you, don't think Obamacare should have ever happened and or welfare to be a given forever... Yet, what is the answer ? Are we just going to kill them all ? Throw them out in the street ? Cant put crazies in mental tutes (all gone)... YOu can't take welfare away and just throw people in the street, if you do, they will rob their food and then to jail ? Do you want to pay to jail them for 10 years ?
Think most people agree, we went the wrong way with help 30 years ago and continue down that road... THey could have stopped drugs from coming in, yet it creates money for the rich thru multiple entities... Now it is a problem and this time, unlike when we had less people, good jobs to go to, and other community outlets, all gone now... What happens to someone that actually cleans up now with a record ? Where do they work and for how much ? 30 years ago you could get a factory job, today you will have to work at a gas station for 10 and hour (where do you live) ?

Looking for answer... Anyone ? THey quit and have no family ? what do they do ? Step by step over 1 year ?

Menzies

pottydoc wrote: »

So, you are trying to compare mothers going to a hospital to give birth with drug addiction? I believe that might be a liiiittle bit of a stretch, there. Well, actually it's just plain out wrong, but you get credit for trying.

Interesting that you ignored my comment on the obese, smokers, diabetics.

Gardawg

Top Three Most Popular Addictive Drugs

1. Nicotine 37 million

2. Alcohol 14 million

3. Prescription opioids 2 million

4. Illegal drugs : Heroin Cocaine Meth ??? estimates vary

Half of all Americans know a drug addict.

mindyabiness

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/rodrigo-duterte-vows-to-kill-3-million-drug-addicts-and-likens-himself-to-****

Menzies

He is going to find himself Noreiga'd or worse!

Tarponator

I find it very telling when the reaction to a story like this is to shift the focus to the addicts rather than the ones who are taking advantage of them, their families, and taxpayers.

onemorecast

For many alcoholics there is a genetic component. They become addicted doing behaviors that do not addict others. Native Americans and Irish come to mind. Opioid addiction is guaranteed if one is placed on a prescription for any length of time. Same thing with benzodiazepines. Self control is rarely the issue or solution in either case. Where I live people die no matter how important their family, how loved or unloved they were, how healthy or abused their childhood. It's easy to cast judgement until the nightmare occurs to people you personally know. You might be surprised which doctors, judges, teachers, electricians, and housewives are going to 12 step meetings. People such as Chatman are worse that the dealers peddling the dope. Hope karma bites him hard.

Menzies

onemorecast wrote: »

For many alcoholics there is a genetic component. They become addicted doing behaviors that do not addict others. Native Americans and Irish come to mind.

Wut?

Tarponator

I think someone is confusing socioeconomics with genetics.

That said, most experts would agree there's a genetic component that strengthens the case that substance abuse is a medical condition:

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh312/111-118.pdf

Then again, there's a disturbingly high percentage of our population that disbelieves evolution...or that the Earth is more than a few thousand years old...or that humans can affect the climate, and the evidence for all of those is far greater. So it comes as no surprise to this reader that some would be quick to label this as a disease of self-control and those who suffer through it (and their families) are better marginalized than helped.

Jesus wept.

stc1993

Purdue Pharma who made OxyContin is at fault for a lot of this opioid addiction. I just googled it the Sackler family who owns 100% of Purdue made The Forbes list in 2015 @ $14 bil. Since they put in on the market they've made $35 bil. just on OxyContin this was in 2015.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexmorrell/2015/07/01/the-oxycontin-clan-the-14-billion-newcomer-to-forbes-2015-list-of-richest-u-s-families/#6e00b00b75e0

mindyabiness

Tarponator wrote: »

I think someone is confusing socioeconomics with genetics.

That said, most experts would agree there's a genetic component that strengthens the case that substance abuse is a medical condition:

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh312/111-118.pdf

Then again, there's a disturbingly high percentage of our population that disbelieves evolution...or that the Earth is more than a few thousand years old...or that humans can affect the climate, and the evidence for all of those is far greater. So it comes as no surprise to this reader that some would be quick to label this as a disease of self-control and those who suffer through it (and their families) are better marginalized than helped.

Jesus wept.

So we are holding people accountable for their actions, or not?
Compassion? Is that what Jesus is crying about.....or the lack of it?
What exactly did you say? Or ......are you provoking thought again?
Marginalizing has got us to this point.....has it not? It's what we do.....you're marginalizing, you're quite good at it.

Heatwave

Menzies wrote: »

Wut?

:rotflmao Hey, I am Irish... **** ? Guess we were just addicted to Potato's in the 1700s

It is true... with the drugs incoming into this country slowing down "somewhat" especially Coke... kids seem to be better off, cigs too, my kid picked up none of my bad habits. Except being a smart ****..
Glad I only have one...

Turner River Terror

Jim Beam / Jack and Bud all share the blame.
Them Hooters Gals with the frosty Pitchers...Yup them too. St.Pauli Girls are the Devil.
It comes down to Personal Responsibility. My Brother died at 53 from drinking. Nobody,s fault but his own.
Sad to see it and the entire Family did the best they could , It was up to him in the long run...