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Guide assn.#2

In prior message,I commented on some of the complaints I have with guides.
These are some guidelines and objectives a guide assn.could achieve.
1.Because you do not have a recognized and effective lobby group,the
National Park Service is running all over you.The latest,I heard is the
fee to operate in the Park is doubling for guides.
2.The paying to launch in the Nat.Park thru a private owner is a farce.
If we had to pay to enter thru private owners to go to Yellowstone Nat.
Park,Congress would resolve that issue in a day.
3.All tarpon and snook caught by guide boats are catch and release.
4.All guides in the assn.will use barbless hooks.
5.Start lobbying for large areas closed to only elec.motors to allow grass
flats to recover.Start with Pumpkin and Buttonwood.
6.Challenge local and county restrictions.For example,Naples said no
boats can come within 150 yds.of the Pier.Now we find out they had
no authority in these waters.
7.Establish a fishing standard above and beyond the Captain's license.

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  • 10kman10kman Posts: 835 Officer
    To add to the woes of the fishing industry,the editorial in Naples News today said with
    the closing and remodeling of the City Docks the fresh fish industry is coming to the
    end after 70 years in existence.
    The message one gets is either unite,establish standards,work together or fall one by one.
  • polliwogpolliwog Posts: 348 Deckhand
  • blewitupsirblewitupsir Posts: 774 Officer
    I find your points interesting though specific to your personal take on what should be done, and that is why there may be a few who would align and associate with this, but more who wouldn't. The reality of operating a successful guide association is that is requires willing volunteers, who believe in something enough to donate their time and funds to a cause that they can have success in. And to find success requires voices multiplied as many times as possible, by drilling down to specific points such as you have described, it becomes increasingly hard to gather the number of voices required to have an impact, and thus continue the circle of attracting members, finding success on issues and attracting more members. Successful associations no matter the genre are quite often a compromise.

    Just my thoughts and again enjoyed seeing yours!!

    Capt. Charlie Phillips
    President
    Florida Guides Association

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    http://hopefishing.comFishing the Florida Everglades National Park with Hope Fishing Adventures.
  • blewitupsirblewitupsir Posts: 774 Officer
    I would also add, to your statement "guides have no effective lobbying group" I strongly disagree. The FGA has had a big degree of success in working with regulatory administrations in resolving Impacts to not only guides, but also to our customers the recreational angler. Would you say the recreational sector (which has a tremendous more members than guide sector) has a better voice with the ENP or other groups and if so why?

    I personally am very proud of the work done by an all volunteer force in the past and know there's more battles and work to be done for the future.

    Again appreciate your comments and thoughts, and these are just my own.

    Capt Charlie Phillips
    President
    Florida Guides Association


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    http://hopefishing.comFishing the Florida Everglades National Park with Hope Fishing Adventures.
  • 10kman10kman Posts: 835 Officer
    Had the pleasure of being at a meeting where Captain Phillips
    made a presentation to the group talking about offshore fishing.
    We see a lot of guides at our fishing club,Captain Phillips made
    one of the better presentations,excellent speaker.
    But one question that was asked was"How much do you charge?"
    Perhaps in no other occupation does a person charge a similar
    amount whether you have been in the business two months or
    twenty years.For a client this become very difficult to judge
    because both can say I've been fishing since I was ten.
    May I suggest guides attempt to move in a better direction
    and that is set up levels of quality based on years of experience,exams,
    and recommendations.It might resemble what electricians or
    carpenters do.In other words,apprentice,journeyman and master.
    I would start by issuing every guide in the guide assn. with
    ten or more years insignias worn on all shirts "Master Angler,Captain
    Emeritus,Certified Guide.You need to break away from those
    who call themselves guides and have been at it 2 months.And insist
    that these"better"guides use these titles in their ads.
    You may have figured out by now you can charge more if you
    have reached this standard.For the client,great,now I know what
    I am paying for;a guide rather than a 5 hr.boat ride.
  • Saltwater JunkieSaltwater Junkie Posts: 1,086 Officer
    10kman wrote: »
    Had the pleasure of being at a meeting where Captain Phillips
    made a presentation to the group talking about offshore fishing.
    We see a lot of guides at our fishing club,Captain Phillips made
    one of the better presentations,excellent speaker.
    But one question that was asked was"How much do you charge?"
    Perhaps in no other occupation does a person charge a similar
    amount whether you have been in the business two months or
    twenty years.For a client this become very difficult to judge
    because both can say I've been fishing since I was ten.
    May I suggest guides attempt to move in a better direction
    and that is set up levels of quality based on years of experience,exams,
    and recommendations.It might resemble what electricians or
    carpenters do.In other words,apprentice,journeyman and master.
    I would start by issuing every guide in the guide assn. with
    ten or more years insignias worn on all shirts "Master Angler,Captain
    Emeritus,Certified Guide.You need to break away from those
    who call themselves guides and have been at it 2 months.And insist
    that these"better"guides use these titles in their ads.
    You may have figured out by now you can charge more if you
    have reached this standard.For the client,great,now I know what
    I am paying for;a guide rather than a 5 hr.boat ride.

    All you have to do now is convince the guides in your area that this is what they need to be successful. Restaurants are different you try several until you find one that you like. Clients will do the same thing.

    The frustration you are describing is what happens when there are plenty of customers. The guides that do have a clue or are lazy are booked by the new person that has never fished with them. The guide doesn't care that the client didn't have a good time or that they didn't catch fish. Because they know that there will be another tourist tomorrow that will never come back to them anyway. The difference is repeat customers. when you start getting repeat customers and $100.00 tips you'll know that you're doing something right.
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