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So, after reading all that...38 Ron seems to have the upper hand in both knowledge and in ability to construct a positive argument for * Finishing projects* rather than just purchasing more land.
Lots of emotion...which generates heat...but no light.
PS...The Indian River lagoon is in a state of collapse....Bullsugar's plans won't do jack **** to fix that....should we divert funds from fixing *that* Estuary of national importance so that we can buy some land?
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
http://www.floridasportsman.com/2015/08/20/eaa-storage-petition/
We also support CERP - which was written into law in 2000 with an EAA storage component. What we are trying to accomplish is to expedite that EAA storage component from 2021 (where it is currently slated) to ASAP/now due to the urgency of the issue, and the fact that once the US Sugar option expires in 2020, the state will have no leverage. Also pretty simple.
Have we been paying attention here? We have an EAA reservoir and the environmentalists stopped it. No need to buy anything, just put the money to work to finish what we started.
When we have a world where Scientists and Engineers plan and build the fix for our past mistakes, why do we need "activists" to forget the facts and try to start all over again.
Careful what you wish for, maybe it is best that you get what you are asking for and find out it goes nowhere fast!
The existing EAA reservoir could up and running in 5 years. The new one, I bet most of us here are long dead and gone before you see the first drop of water in it. Oh and by then some other magazine will come along and decide something else should be done!
I just can't stand top see people who don't really know what they are talking about, trying to change what they know very little about.
Oh and the greatest fact here is nothing planned here or anything planned before could stop the discharges with the kind of rain we had last year in the dry season.
lol
"Sen. David Simmons (R-10) encouraged the Citrus Club and the NAIOP, commercial real-estate associations, to back Amendment 1. He said that Amendment 1’s fund was a good way to fix water issues, rather than by restricting development. He said, “Nitrates are seeping into the aquifer and migrating. The theory that dilution is the solution to pollution isn't working. We don't want to be drinking out of the toilet, and that's what we're doing right now. We want to be drinking pristine, pure water… It behooves you to resolve this.”
Dpreston is a commercial real estate developer..
I just don't like to see taxpayer money wasted on feel good/look at me I'm awesome measures that don't accomplish squat.
I also don't like people like you DP that have no problem putting good folks out of a job just so you can play (or profit off their loss).
That's what you and your ilk are all about.
JMO.
What say you folks, about these guys. Opinions. Are they just more activists.
https://captainsforcleanwater.org/official-statement/
I think not kind sir.
Here's a few pics of the work they are doing.
Educating the older folks, the younger guys and girls.
They also educate the next generation in schools.
Your constant anti bullsugar drivel is getting old.
As well as many companies directly and indirectly affected by the current water mismanagement, who support this.
Eg.
And just FYI. Their are two other logos in the Picture in O.P. Besides bullsugar supporting this event
https://captainsforcleanwater.org
Of course boat captains are for clean water, of course fisherman are for clean water, heck everyone is for clean water.
But filling a room with boat captains does not compare to the scientific information in support of one plan or another.
Quote just one thing I have said that is not true!
Buy the land but I can assure you it Will BE LEASED BACK TO BIG SUGAR!
Build the existing EAA first! Its the quickest path to some relief.
Oh and as I said, nothing that can be done will stop the discharges to the St Lucie in a rain event like we had last year!
Only thing you could do is bulldoze Orlando and make IT a reservoir!
A comprehensive plan to clean water includes control of developments, replacement of septic tanks, an end to land farming sewage sludge, control on fertilizers, restoration of rivers and lakes and wetlands, and numerous other actions.
A one stop cure is not possible and the new EAA will just be another project we cant start or finish due to lakc of funds.
Heck, how about a $500 surcharge on fishing and boating registrations? That would be a good start, how would the captains like that?
You must have problems with reading comprehension...or are being obtuse...no matter though..
I * did not * say anything about sending water south allows damage to the IRL.*
I said it will *do nothing to effect the health* for the IRL except for that tiny portion in the immediate area of the St Lucie confluence...since the lake water goes out the inlet for the most part with a small area of impact . It will not do anything for the 43,000 acres of seagrasses lost from the system from Ft. Pierce north.
and... the Chattahoochee river is not even in this part of the state....but I can see where your emotions got you so worked up...you mistook Caloosahatchee....
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Ron, It is obvious to anyone who has spent time learning about what is really being done... not enough
and has been done...and will be done.... ( lease back :wink )
that it is easy to get sheep to be herded if the flock is frightened.
It is funny in an ironic way...that if you don't "buy in" on what bullsugar wants....you are somehow "anti"...like you don't want clean water and vibrant fisheries...laughable...but sad.
I can only hope common sense prevails...and the projects that are do-able and in the que to get done...get done quickly. When that is done...then maybe they should start working *upstream* where all this polluted water originates...and get working on that. And even with all that KCOL system work....we still have 40-50 years of legacy pollutants to deal with....
I only wish that so many didn't think there were "magic bullets" to fix what it took decades to do...
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
But many threads on the Confron have hashed all this out before. The battle has been waged since the early 60's or before.
Here are some givens that shape my thinking and must be factored in: 1) Florida's population and its water needs have long passed the tipping point for sustainability. 2) Meteorological extremes are cyclical here and the hydrology will always be out of kilter. 3) This has been studied to death and because of one and two above is essentially unfixable beyond bandaids and tourniquets. 4) And in case you haven't noticed, we as a country are so far in debt that we can do little more with the plans we have already developed.
Now to me, we need to do the doable as quickly as possible and not let perfect get in the way what we can do now. I would hate to see Bullsugar's efforts move what's in the pipeline aside. I doubt they want that either.
For those hearing the carefully worded pitch from Neverglades... think long and hard about just what it takes to actually follow through with planned improvements (from money needed - not diverted, to plans carefully thought out - not sidetracked, to building consensus instead of immediately running to the nearest court to get your way....). The history I've seen since I first got interested in conservation issues (mid to late seventies) hasn't been very encouraging. We've had some major successes - but the hardest job of all with be restoring as much of the water resource as we possibly can... What created and sustained the everglades over thousands of years was water that was almost nutrient free with a yearly cycle of flood and drought. Most of our problems have been self-created and won't easily be fixed - beware the "quick fix" that might just de-rail a lot of good long term progress in other areas...
Bob LeMay
(954) 435-5666
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Initially reading that I smirked a bit... glad you pointed that out.
The sad part is it looks favorable to the masses on social media.
More of the bullshi woops bullsugar guys faking the data.
The problem is that buying the sugar land, and building a storage area won't help at all. To send the water on south it needs to be cleaned. As far as I can see, there is nothing in Negrons plan to clean up the water. All it's gonna be is a big lake full of the same nasty water that is in Lake O. If that water gets sent into FL Bay, what kind of damage will it do there? Once it's full, it will stay full, unless water just like what's in Okeechobee gets sent on south. We can do that now, why would we want to spend 2.4B to do what we already can? Like Ron said, more Bullsugar B S.