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Also regarding the Federal Court Order not allowing polluted water into the Glades, There's this:
But plaintiffs in the lawsuit and environmentalists warn ending the consent order at a time when restoration efforts remain far from complete — none of the 68 projects that make up the Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan is done — would remove a powerful tool for insuring work gets done. They worry the state, which has changed deadlines, failed to clean up pollution in Lake Okeechobee and reneged on a promise to replace a reservoir needed to provide water to South Florida, will instead declare victory before goals are met.
The Florida politicians can not be trusted. Unfortunate but true.
Component G of CERP includes three 20,000 acre reservoirs, the very essence of Senator Negron's plan and SB 10.
If you like the outdoors, let's do something that needs to be done. Let's try and fix what we broke. Unless you think this is some sort of corruption let's fight to get this done. We have the funding. It's time to get to work.
Now there is $82B available in funding.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO STOP DISCHARGES when we have rain like we did last year. Last year was an anomaly and there is no amount of a reservoir or storage that is going to stop the discharges during that type of a situation based on what we have or could have with or without additional storage beyond what is already planned in CEPP and CERP.
Ron and Flatwater did nail it which is the same message I have been sending at every opportunity. Build now!!
My Fear
When SB10 fails and it will. . . maybe not tomorrow at 9:30, but it will . . . are you all going to burn down the house or are you going to begin to accept the realities of the situation? I surely hope that you will chase the existing projects the way you have chased the additional storage.
Let those muscles relax pucker.
https://captainsforcleanwater.org
Adam, we had toxic green water here in the St. Lucie river in '99, '05, '13 and '16, enough is enough.
The ultimate solution, and goal, is sending water south where its needed. Existing projects, by doing the math, won't move enough water south to stop the discharges.
Florida Sportsman members. These are your people fighting for the sport that you love, so it will continue to grow instead of the dying status quo that's happening now.
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https://captainsforcleanwater.org
Blair,
I will actually work on that for argument sake. But when Negron first proposed his plan using Martin County land, I ran the numbers and it produced only 3 days retention time at the high flow we experience on the St Lucie.
On question that you have to make assumptions on is the pool depth. The STA's only have about 3' pool depth. Ten mile creek had about 4'.
Problem is the "post Katrina" design standards for levees and dams. (a reservoir levee is a dam). I saw one calculation from someone that had a 30' pool depth. The cost of a 30' pool depth levee is astronomical at best!
So I'll take a look as see what I can come up with for discussion, but tomorrow I'm at the Southeast Florida Coral Reef Initiative Task Force meeting all day so it will be a few days.
Oh and I started over 50 years ago when I wrote my first letter to the editor of the Miami Herald when I was 13, protesting the planned Jetport in the everglades West of Miami.
My understanding is that the CEPP project which already has the land and now has the funding is a very good first step. No funding should be redirected from this project in any way shape or form. For crying out loud how many restoration projects have been stared and not completed down there? I don’t see where Ron is against anything, all he seems to be saying to me is that there simply isn’t enough money to do it. These projects are not cheap by any means and if doing Negron’s project means starving out another on then that is just plain stupid.
My posts are my opinion only.
Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Will Rogers
At the SEFCRI meeting yesterday a researcher from FIU showed where a release thru the C-111 with dirty water caused a 4 month algae bloom in Florida Bay.
So I guess you can just pick which resource you want to kill right?
Want some action, put up the money to finish the EAA reservoir, 50,000 acres with a possible 300,000 acre feet of storage and its already partially built.
Its not just the money, do you realize these large pump station can cost upwards of $25 million? and then all the water control structure, interior levees to minimize wash up of wave on the levees, etc, etc.
Ok but lets just buy some more land that we can't afford to build on right?
Politician rarely look at the whole picture!
(Yes, I'm also your Private Business Vice Chairman on the Southeast Florida Coral Reef Initiative) Put up your time, or shut up!
Former HMS AP member for 12 years
Current ICCAT AP member in year 9 on the panel and took off 2 weeks work (without pay) to travel to Portugal to negotiate our international fishing treaties last year
SEFCRI Private Industry Vice Chairman
Former Chairman of Deerfield Beach Marine Advisory Committee
Can someone explain to me what is being thrown around with regard to SB10 when they say . . ."strike all"?
Looks like SB 10 has been gutted and rewritten? Is that what this means?
The current STA's work amazingly well at extracting both phosphorous and nitrogen from the water flowing into the Glades, as you know the very strict 10 ppb mandate is in place and no one is planning on changing it nor ignoring it.
Or does someone really think we can fund them all at the same time.
Push it, and push it hard, Big Sugar won't mind leasing it for 20 years while you all try to find funding to build it. That's what they are doing with the 50K acre reservoir property.
Or do we keep funding CERP, finish the existing reservoir, and continue plans to clean up the water from sewage, fertilizer and other nutrients?
Truth is, you have to clean up the water and then dump some of it in all directions, get it.
See this is a bit more complicated than getting a magazine out every 4 weeks isn't it?
In case you are inclined to do the math yourself and have enough information to do it, the minimum required retention time in an STA is about 30 days to get the required nutrient removal. Evaporation doesn't amount to very much and a reservoir is not an STA.
Prudent for water district to stop 'Glades restoration project until lawsuit resolved
June 3, 2008
By Eric Buermann
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/sfl-everglades03forumsbjun03,0,7126596.story
Water is the heart and soul of Everglades restoration. Ecosystem recovery depends, first and foremost, on water flow that will mimic conditions once found across much of South Florida. Restoring water flows to natural areas, at appropriate times and amounts, is essential to restoration success.
To achieve this, the South Florida Water Management District is expanding water storage capacity with projects at key sites throughout the South Florida ecosystem. One of these is the Everglades Agricultural Area Reservoir located south of Lake Okeechobee, which, at 25 square miles, will be one of the largest above-ground reservoirs in the world.
The reservoir is designed to hold enough water from Lake Okeechobee and the surrounding basin to reduce harmful discharges to the coastal estuaries and help achieve better water levels for a healthier lake. It will improve water quality by capturing stormwater runoff and optimize the performance of constructed treatment wetlands. Already, a seepage canal has been dug, muck has been cleared and a rock-crushing plant mobilized to provide on-site materials. The next step is to build the 22-mile-long, 29-feet-high embankment that will surround the reservoir.
Last year, construction of this reservoir became the subject of a lawsuit. A challenge to the construction permit issued to the district by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers was filed by the Natural Resources Defense Council, National Wildlife Foundation and Sierra Club almost a year after construction began. It addresses the permitting and procedural steps for the Everglades project design and construction — not the significant environmental benefits this massive storage reservoir will provide. Unfortunately, the project cannot lawfully be built if the court agrees with the permit challenge.
At its meeting last month, the district's nine-member governing board determined that it is prudent to resolve these outstanding legal issues before proceeding with the next construction phase. With that in mind, the board temporarily suspended the embankment contract, which at a public investment of $331 million represents the largest outlay in the entire EAA Reservoir construction effort.
We recognize that difficult and bold decisions are at times needed to protect taxpayer interests. The board has wisely determined that a monthly suspension fee of $1.9 million for up to six months is a small investment in the security of expending almost 200 times that amount for embankment construction. Likewise, a temporary suspension to safeguard the use of public funds over the long term is a minimal delay when measured against the reservoir's four-year construction timeline. To begin embankment construction and then stop, based on the court's findings, could expose Florida taxpayers to an additional cost of up to $50 million.
During suspension, the district will work to resolve the litigation. The contractor has agreed to retain key personnel and essential equipment on site and will hold fast the embankment's contract price during the suspension period.
Be assured that the district remains fully committed to resolving these legal issues, to protecting South Florida's natural resources, to safeguarding the public's fiscal investments and to moving forward with our world-class Everglades restoration efforts.
Eric Buermann is chairman of the South Florida Water Management District Governing Board.
Will history repeat itself?
Good info A#1!
I have been trying to explain this, but its easy for those who don't understand the details to jump on a political bandwagon!
Mitch Hutchcraft is a VP for King's Ranch, a corporation that farms sugar in the EAA. Thanks for pointing out just how biased and conflicted our state's "science" is.
Sources:
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/king-ranch-trivia-who-is-mitch-hutchcraft/2191044
https://jacquithurlowlippisch.com/2016/10/14/king-ranch-king-of-the-eaaslrirl/
Go for it buddy, I would love to see what you can come up with aside from the photo you already stalked up of me holding that snook in Flamingo last week. Thanks again for that btw.
Here's or team, we have nothing to hide. http://www.bullsugar.org/people
Maybe you would consider Sandy Moret on our board conflicted - he owns a fly shop in Islamorada that depends on clean water for its customers.
Or Richard Trotta, who runs the Herman Lucerne tournament in the Keys that raises $50k+ every year for Everglades National Park? Yeah, he does have a lot to gain from fixing this problem. Starting to see your point here.
Maybe our Director of Angler Outreach Captain Mike Connor, who used to be a full time fishing guide in Stuart, but now with all the grass and oysters dead can't find so much as a trout up there. Major conflict there, he would stop at nothing to get back on the water - total shill!
And by the way, even if you COULD find a reason for any of us to have something to personally gain from the state fixing our broken plumbing, none of us work for our government - we should hold THEM to a higher standard than anyone because they are supposed to represent OUR best interests.