When did hand brake change to

Griz

NSB Photog wrote: »

How is it that nobody has asked for a pic of Griz in a Mini Cooper? :shrug

I'm quite bit smaller than last time you saw me , Tom. And you'd be surprised at how much room there is in the front seats. I can't even use the pedals with the seat all of the way back.

Dirk Nowitzki is 7 ft tall.

Reptile Dysfunction

cadman wrote: »

When you had drum brakes where the pad swiveled, you could use a cable linked to an emergency brake to stop the car. The name hand break came out later on when the foot pedal emergency brake moved to a center mounted hand brake in cars with bucket seats.

When cars moved to all disk brakes for safety reasons, it is not possible to use a manual cable to pull the hand brake. The parking brake is now part of the hydraulic system. If the hydraulics fail, the parking brake ain't going to do any good.

BTW, have you ever used the old cable emergency brake to stop you if your brakes failed? I did once, it doesn't work that well since the cable is only activating the rear wheel brakes. Takes about twice as long to stop.

You should have Googled before you posted this baloney.

Griz

I have used the emergency brake to stop....once. I'd rather have it available than not. And the hand brake is much more able to be modulated than a foot brake.

SLS

Heatwave wrote: »

At what point does MAKING more money become Absurd ? Lots of things have had R&D spent on it and failed, like the Electric Car. That thing was awesome, but GM bought out the patent on the Battery, then sold it to big oil who had the cars crushed and buried in the desert. The things listed in your "who needs" were all good ideas and very helpful. At one point or another, it ends (better product) and common sense has to take hold. The fact that it was deemed a good idea has to do with MONEY only, nothing else was considered, and wont be until someone dies, by then the engineers and people in charge will be gone and not responsible for the outcome.
Just look at VW issue and the setup with milage. You can bet those that designed the program were forced to or be fired, they had a choice and only now does that choice matter. Had they raised a flag when it was happening they would have been labeled a snitch or a nut job. You just cant win at the bottom of the ladder these days.

You're reading a lot more into my comment than I put into it.

Money goes into R&D and out comes some good ideas and sometimes bad ideas.
The good ideas develop and get better, the bad ones fade away.

My second point is, no doubt some innovations in the past seemed like solutions in search of a problem, completely unnecessary (way back when), and are now standard equipment.

When I said "Who needs it" I was referring to the mentality of folks that drove cars without some of the innovations I listed.

Innovations that turned out to be very good ideas.

Griz

SLS wrote: »

You're reading a lot more into my comment than I put into it.

Money goes into R&D and out comes some good ideas and sometimes bad ideas.
The good ideas develop and get better, the bad ones fade away.

My second point is, no doubt some innovations in the past seemed like solutions in search of a problem, completely unnecessary (way back when), and are now standard equipment.

When I said "Who needs it" I was referring to the mentality of folks that drove cars without some of the innovations I listed.

Innovations that turned out to be very good ideas.

I don't think he quoted you

2true

I have driven an air cooled VW beetle with just the handbrake for brakes...:hairraiser

Griz

2true wrote: »

I have driven an air cooled VW beetle with just the handbrake for brakes...:hairraiser

Still better than a foot brake of no brakes.

Finger Mullet

Had an air cooled VW way back, broke the accelerator cable middle of nowhere and way before cell. I used construction cable to the carb and popped a small hole in the van. Good lord that was a fun ride home, either floored or neutral, that sucker only had a parking break. :grin

Edit Thank god it was a clutch, burned that **** quite well

Finger Mullet

Oh my hopped up newish VW with a real big turbo only has a button for the park break, but I use that sucker on steap inclines when parking, not sure it works it is a stick and always leave her in gear.

cadman

All this talk about the emergency brake, when is the last time you used one?

I have never used it in my truck since I bought it.

NSB Photog

2true wrote: »

I have driven an air cooled VW beetle with just the handbrake for brakes...:hairraiser

I once put my feet through the floor of a VW Thing and stopped it Flintstones style.

NSB Photog

Griz wrote: »

I'm quite bit smaller than last time you saw me , Tom. And you'd be surprised at how much room there is in the front seats. I can't even use the pedals with the seat all of the way back.

Dirk Nowitzki is 7 ft tall.

That's great, Ken! And the leg room was the main thing I was thinking of. I test drove one when they first were released and don't recall how much leg room there was. Dirk Nowitzki still looks like he could pick that car up and put it on his back though. :grin

M.Magis

cadman wrote: »

All this talk about the emergency brake, when is the last time you used one?

I have never used it in my truck since I bought it.

That's what I was thinking. They haven't been a "thing" for years. And people talking about the possibility of brakes failing, like that actually happens these days.

SLS

Griz wrote: »

I don't think he quoted you

LOL, no I guess he didn't.

Cyclist

cadman wrote: »

All this talk about the emergency brake, when is the last time you used one?

I have never used it in my truck since I bought it.

Not at the boat ramp? Shame shame...:wink

Course everybody is wimp now days and drive automatics. I have four standard cars, ALWAYS use the hand brake.

Griz

M.Magis wrote: »

That's what I was thinking. They haven't been a "thing" for years. And people talking about the possibility of brakes failing, like that actually happens these days.

My brother's 2007 Lexus LS460. Electric Brake accumulator failed.

That's what got me thinking about it.

Ever drive in the mountains and overheat the brakes going downhill?

Griz

Cyclist wrote: »

Not at the boat ramp? Shame shame...:wink

Course everybody is wimp now days and drive automatics. I have four standard cars, ALWAYS use the hand brake.

As do I. I won't rely on the transmission parking pawl alone.

Most vehicle manufacturers and auto mechanics do not recommend using the transmission's parking pawl as the sole means of securing a parked vehicle, instead recommending it should only be engaged after first applying the vehicle's parking brake. Constant use of only the parking pawl, especially when parking on a steep incline, means that driveline components, and transmission internals, are kept constantly under stress, and can cause wear and eventual failure of the parking pawl or transmission linkage. The pawl might also fail or break if the vehicle is pushed with sufficient force, if the parking brake is not firmly engaged. Replacement can be an expensive operation since it generally requires removing the transmission from the car.

Finger Mullet

Griz parking break will not save you on a steep downhill decent, all that works is downshifting with clutch....an auto well perhaps, not sure might lock her up.

tankard

If you don't use the parking brake at the boat ramp, you deserve a submerged vehicle.

Period.

tankard

And yes, I drive standard and ALWAYS pull the hand brake even if I leave it in gear.

Griz

Finger Mullet wrote: »

Griz parking break will not save you on a steep downhill decent, all that works is downshifting with clutch....an auto well perhaps, not sure might lock her up.

That and downshifting works better than the Flintstone method.

2true

NSB Photog wrote: »

I once put my feet through the floor of a VW Thing and stopped it Flintstones style.

Sweet!

2true

I am very OCD about parking brakes. Years ago, while buying a pack of Clove cigarettes, I parked my 1967 VW bus at the gas pump and went in to get the cigs. While at the register, I looked back at the pump the bus was not there. (It Popped out of gear and no working parking brake) I go ahead and finish paying for the cigs, and my bus almost rolled over a small cinder block wall and if not for the bushes and that short cinder block wall keeping it from going over a 4 foot edge to the ABC parking lot next door.... :hairraiser

Griz

2true wrote: »

I am very OCD about parking brakes. Years ago, while buying a pack of Clove cigarettes, I parked my 1967 VW bus at the gas pump and went in to get the cigs. While at the register, I looked back at the pump the bus was not there. (It Popped out of gear and no working parking brake) I go ahead and finish paying for the cigs, and my bus almost rolled over a small cinder block wall and if not for the bushes and that short cinder block wall keeping it from going over a 4 foot edge to the ABC parking lot next door.... :hairraiser

Sounds like my son's experience with his Cherokee when in college, only he ran out of the store and he and his buds chased the Jeep down the street until it rolled to a stop in a vacantlot.

Cyclist

The foot brake in my 92 cummins long bed five speed doesn't work and when it starts rolling it doesn't stop! Had an incident with unloading my boat, but averted being a submariner.

2true

Griz wrote: »

Sounds like my son's experience with his Cherokee when in college, only he ran out of the store and he and his buds chased the Jeep down the street until it rolled to a stop in a vacantlot.

He lucked out.

cadman

Cyclist wrote: »

Not at the boat ramp? Shame shame...:wink

Course everybody is wimp now days and drive automatics. I have four standard cars, ALWAYS use the hand brake.

Four wheel drive automatic. I don't park on the ramp. The few times I had to unload a alone my rope is long enough I van pull forward off the ramp to grab it and move the boat. Usually, two of us, one drives the truck, one drives the boat. We can unload the boat off the trailer in under a minute. Loading it back on doesn't take much longer.

2true

People always just leave their automatic transmissions in park and don't use parking brakes on hills. they don't realize how small a piece of metal is keeping their car from rolling down a hill...