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I was surprised as well. I guess their bait holds were already filled with "red mullet" so there was no need to keep any more. Hence all the floaters.
Don`t know what was going on 150 miles out. The furthest I got was about 135.
I have a hard enough time keeping up with the Rec laws to worry about what the Commies are and are not supposed to be doing.........
And your documents are great documents, for their time. They are just really dated now, and some of the concepts they propose have been enacted and others discarded.
Because I need to clean out my bookshelves, I just recently threw many documents, like you referenced, in the recycle because they are so old and outdated. I'm not sure that you claiming those old documents are your basis for communication is valid anymore. The models discussed, and the procedures discussed, are all replaced now.
There is nothing time sensitive about them. Which you would know if you read them, which you indicated you did not because you did not recognize them and asked for links when I posted them.
You see Bubba and BubbaII or whatever internet face you now want to mask yourself in at the moment to conceal who you are, I take this site and its value very, very seriously. We are here to inform recreational fishermen of the truth.
That truth is reflected in the documents I provided to you. There is no color or position involved and it has not changed, since publication.
So when you want to discuss those things with me, I will.
I will not however debate your opinion of those things. That is a waste of my time and all who have chosen to waste theirs reading it.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Recreational angling in Florida alone is worth billions - yes, with a "B" - between $6 and $8 billion depending on whose numbers you cite (FWC, NOAA, etc.), produces over $35Mil in revenues for the State of Florida from licensing fees (compared to around $1 from commercial licensing), plus employs over 100K (commercial is around 60k). Over 1.6Mil recreational licenses were sold in FY 13/14 compared to less than 35K for commercial licensing (includes saltwater products, individual commercial, and wholesale dealer licenses).
It is past time that recreational anglers be given the standing in this debate their numbers demand. Same old problem we see in "politics" nationwide today - the noisy special interests that fund campaigns have their voice disproportionately heard.
One other important factor I neglected to mention, recreational "landings" of fish/shellfish is much less than commercial (and this does not take into consideration catch and release or by catch). So, to summarize, recreational angling has a much larger economic impact combined with much less environmental impact then commercial fishing.
I'll say it again, IMHO the same rules should apply to everyone - commercial or recreational - for any fish/shellfish that requires management e.g. if the regulations allow for 1 redfish/grouper/etc per day per individual that should be applicable to both commercial and recreational. It is as simple as this - if a species is threatened - then it is not a viable sustainable commercial resource.
If you are saying that 10 yr old documents are you basis of "enlightenment", you need to update your library. Those documents don't even discuss the SS3 model, which is the Gulf standard now. They discuss the inadequacies of the old surveys.
Now, what do I think about the new SS3 model the center uses? Its a great model for Alaska.
http://myfwc.com/research/saltwater/fishstats/recreational-fisheries/landings/
Scroll down to the bottom chart and except for red grouper pick out the popular species that us commercials catch more of than you recs..
I'll even let you throw out red fish and snook as there is no commercial sale for those species..
Don't even get me started on Mahi, Cobia, Wahoo, Triggers, Tripletail, etc..
Thanks for playing, next?
Not.
“Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
― Ernest Hemingway
I'll also note that my figures for Fl reflected only dockside value (price paid to the boat) and didn't reflect the total economic value.
I'll ask you this, if a tourist comes to Fl and spends a week here, buys nonresident fishing license and fishes every day, but dine's on stone crab and Fl lobster every night at Joe's Stone Crab whom do you attribute the economic impact to?
NOAA report finds commercial and recreational saltwater fishing generated $199 billion in 2011
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
March 7, 2013
U.S. commercial and recreational saltwater fishing generated more than $199 billion in sales and supported 1.7 million jobs in the nation’s economy in 2011, according to a new economic report released by NOAA’s Fisheries Service.
The report, Fisheries Economics of the United States 2011, is published annually on a two-year lag to allow data collection, analysis, and peer review. It provides economic statistics on U.S. commercial and recreational fisheries and marine-related businesses for each coastal state and the nation. Key to the report are the economic effects--jobs, sales, income, and value added to Gross National Product--of the commercial and recreational fishing industries. “Economic impact” measures how sales in each sector ripple throughout the state and national economy as each dollar spent generates additional sales by other firms and consumers.
The seafood industry—harvesters, seafood processors and dealers, seafood wholesalers and retailers—generated $129 billion in sales impacts, $37 billion in income impacts and supported 1.2 million jobs in 2011, the most recent year included in the report. Recreational fishing generated $70 billion in sales impacts, $20 billion in income impacts, and supported 455,000 jobs in 2011. Compared to 2010, the numbers are up for all of these impacts except commercial seafood sales.
“Commercial and recreational fishing are integral parts of the nation’s social and economic fabric,” said Sam Rauch, deputy assistant NOAA administrator for NOAA’s Fisheries Service. “While there’s still work to do, to see landings and value climb in 2011 shows we’re moving in the right direction, even in this time of challenging transition for many fishing communities.”
The annual report also breaks down the sales impacts, income impacts and job figures for each coastal state. The five states that generated the most jobs from fishing in 2011 were California, Massachusetts, Florida, Washington, and Alaska. The states with the most growth in the number of commercial fishing jobs compared to 2010 were Alabama (76 percent, net increase of 4,743 jobs), Mississippi (45 percent, net increase of 1,722 jobs), Oregon (32 percent, net increase of 4,483 jobs), Louisiana (29 percent, net increase of 7,272 jobs), and Alaska (17 percent, net increase of 9,288 jobs).
The greatest portion of the nation’s landings revenue generated by the commercial fishing industry was in Alaska ($1.9 billion), followed by Massachusetts ($433 million), and Maine ($381 million).
Saltwater recreational fishing generated its highest economic effect in sales impacts and jobs in West Florida ($4.9 billion sales, 47,000 jobs) East Florida ($3.3 billion sales, 29,000 jobs); Louisiana ($2 billion sales, 18,000 jobs); North Carolina ($2 billion sales, 18,000 jobs); Texas ($1.9 billion sales, 15,000 jobs); and New Jersey (1.7 billion sales, 10,000 jobs).
Fisheries Economics of the United States, 2011 includes descriptive statistics on commercial fish landings, revenue, and price trends; recreational fishing effort, catch, and participation rates; and employer and non-employer establishments, annual payroll, and annual receipt information for fishing-related industries such as seafood retailers and ship and boat building. The report also provides a snapshot of fishery management plans, limited access privilege fishing programs (a type of catch share program), buyback programs, as well as the status of fish stocks and an inventory of protected marine resources.
The report is the sixth volume in an annual series designed to give the public accessible economic information on fishing activities in the U.S., and is a companion to Fisheries of the United States.
Fisheries Economics of the United States 2011 is available online at: http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/economics/publications/feus/fisheries_economics_2011. Hard copies of the report are forthcoming.
NOAA’s mission is to understand and predict changes in the Earth’s environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and to conserve and manage our coastal and marine resources. Visit us at www.noaa.gov and join us on Facebook, Twitter, and our other social media channels.
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Follow the dollars.
ASA MARY JANE WILLIAMSON 703.519.9691x227 | CSF COLE HENRY 202.543.6850 x19 | NMMA LAUREN DUNN, 202.280.6928 | Center JEFF ANGERS 225.382.3755 | IGFA JASON SCHRATWIESER 954.927.2628 | GHOF TONY FINS 800.288.1227 | CCA TED VENKER, 713.626.4234 | TBF ANDREW COX 954.938.0150
Washington, D.C. – June 26, 2014 – After significant objection from the recreational fishing and boating community, the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) has taken steps to correct a key fisheries economics report that misleadingly indicated that the domestic commercial fishing industry in the United States was significantly larger than the recreational fishing industry. When imported seafood, which is not regulated or managed by NMFS, is removed from the equation, the corrected data show that the recreational fishing industry is actually $7.9 billion dollars larger than the commercial fishing industry. Furthermore, the corrected data show that the domestic commercial fishing industry actually decreased by $2.3 billion in 2012.
“When seafood imports, industrial species, shellfish and fish that aren’t caught by recreational anglers are removed, recreational fishing generates $33.3 billion dollars more than their commercial counterparts while taking far fewer pounds of fish,” said Ted Venker, Conservation director for the Coastal Conservation Association. “That is the apple-to-apples number that needs to be considered when we are talking about management decisions that impact domestic fisheries, and it is important that NOAA corrected the data.”
In late April of this year, NMFS released its Fisheries Economics of the United States 2012 with the headline “NOAA Reports Show Strong Economic Gains from Fishing, Continued Improvement in Fish Stocks,” but there was no indication that the agency had changed the way the economic impact data were compiled in the report. Previously, NMFS separated imports from domestic industry figures and reported each separately. In the latest report, the agency eliminated that distinction and simply published a total that included domestic and imported seafood. As such, topics such as imports from illegal, unregulated and unreported (IUU) fishing, 75,000 pounds of shark fins and shrimp harvested by practices that the U.S. has BANNED were included in the totals for the domestic commercial sector.
“It was important to set the record straight because people naturally use this report to compare the two sectors, and combining imported seafood with domestically caught seafood gives an overinflated and incorrect representation of the economic impact of this country’s commercial fishing industry,” said Mike Nussman, president and CEO of the American Sportfishing Association. “This is particularly risky if this information is used to halt progress on important management decisions such as how fisheries are allocated between the two sectors. More than 64 percent of the total sales of seafood is generated by imported product which should have no bearing whatsoever on allocation discussions.”
Recreational fishing and boating organizations including the American Sportfishing Association, Center for Coastal Conservation, Coastal Conservation Association, Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation, Guy Harvey Ocean Foundation, International Game Fish Association and National Marine Manufacturers Association recently met with agency officials to request a correction. The agency refused to reprint the report, but did release a web query that allows individuals to remove imports and generate an accurate report on their own. [[url]HTTPS://WWW.ST.NMFS.NOAA.GOV/APEX/F?P=160:1:0::NO][/url]
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And because you disagree with the data CCA along with all of the other organizations involved must me wrong?
Hit the nail on the head.
Been to many of them over the years and that is a very spot on description.
Sorry bout the horror of a 9-5 job, it must be devastating to you and your family...
My condolences.
No one told you to work 12-16 hours 5-7 days per week, that is your ill choice.
Perhaps if you invested in some education you could get away from that slave job make more money and have more time to yourself.
But apparently that was not part of your career plan.
If you are too busy to join the Florida Guides Association, EDF, the Ocean Conservancy, the Charter Fishermen's Association to help us take your constitutional rights away with our illegal GPS tracking scheme which undercuts our own members then you are just too busy!
AN ARTICLE IN JADA (JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION) IN 2001 HAS THE ADMISSION THAT FLUORIDE SWALLOWED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE TEETH IS "INSUFFICIENT TO HAVE A MEASURABLE EFFECT" ON REDUCING CAVITIES."
THE NOW CORRUPTED MEDIA MANIPULATES BY USING ORWELLIAN NEWSPEAK. In Orwell's words, Newspeak was "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak seeks to eliminate or alter certain words that do not fit the media's ideological agenda. In Orwell's novel 1984 Newspeak is a way of controlling the people's language in order to keep the peons under ideological control.Newspeak is deceptive and deceitful as it stifles free speech and only allows only certain approved words, phrases and ideas to be used while other words are forbidden.
Fauci's "Gain of Function" is newspeak for enhancing the contagiousness of a virus for use as a biological weapon in war. It was dumb, stupid and a threat to national security for the US government with Fauci's blessing to help fund biological weapons enhancement in an arch enemy's country. When Fauci used and pushed the euphemistic misnomer deceptive term "gain of function" the con was on.
"Gain of Function" newspeak for "Viral Biological Warfare Weapons Enhancement".
"Undocumented Immigrant" newspeak for "illegal alien".
"Progressive" newspeak for "Marxist".
"Dreamers" newspeak for "illegal aliens".
"Immigration Reform" newspeak for "illegal alien amnesty".
"Xenophobia" newspeak for those that want border security.
"Gun control" newspeak for "confiscate your guns".
"Pro-choice" newspeak for "pro-abortion".
"Math is racist" newspeak for "we are too lazy to learn math".
"Critical Race Theory" newspeak for "Reverse Discrimination Marxism".
When a snake oil salesman knows that the snake oil does not sell with the accurate name he simply changes the name to the NEWSPEAK euphemistic misnomer "Magic Medicinal Elixir" to sell his misrepresented product otherwise not sellable.
I don't mind the hours for the pay as my eyes are always on the prize.
Keep that in mind when you punch the clock tomorrow, BTW, I like my mcdouble without cheese.
My career plan is on track, gonna retire in 5 years at 60.
Fishing for a living is sweet! Ive been semi-retired ever since I got started. Hope I never retire. Very few 9 to 5er will ever say that.