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New Con Fron Moderating Team

Conservation Front Region is the backbone of Florida Sportsman by providing a voice and a venue to discuss conservation issues. At times not all members or moderators have the same opinion or perspective on certain issues and typically this promotes healthy discussions. We ask moderators to be members first and moderate when needed. Tom Hilton has been doing an excellent job with his role and now we are expanding the moderators in this region so we can continue to maintain balance of minimal moderation and higher participation. At this time I would like to announce that Gary Colecchio has accepted the role as a moderator for Conservation Front. Gary brings a long history of conservation support as well as an active participant in this region. Gary and Tom have different perspectives on various conservation issues and this strategic partnership will demonstrate that we can maintain respect and dialog with opposing views. Tom and Gary have agreed to work together to offer fair and balanced moderation and participation.

Please join me in welcoming our new team and diverse approach to support the vision of Conservation Front.
Mark Wilson
USCG 100t Master, Assist Tow, 200nm Coastal
Marine Surveyor, SAMS, ABYC, IAMI, FMIU
Wilson Yacht Survey, Inc. 

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  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    New Con Fron Moderating Team

    Conservation Front Region is the backbone of Florida Sportsman by providing a voice and a venue to discuss conservation issues. At times not all members or moderators have the same opinion or perspective on certain issues and typically this promotes healthy discussions. We ask moderators to be members first and moderate when needed. Tom Hilton has been doing an excellent job with his role and now we are expanding the moderators in this region so we can continue to maintain balance of minimal moderation and higher participation. At this time I would like to announce that Gary Colecchio has accepted the role as a moderator for Conservation Front. Gary brings a long history of conservation support as well as an active participant in this region. Gary and Tom have different perspectives on various conservation issues and this strategic partnership will demonstrate that we can maintain respect and dialog with opposing views. Tom and Gary have agreed to work together to offer fair and balanced moderation and participation.

    Please join me in welcoming our new team and diverse approach to support the vision of Conservation Front.

    Mark,

    I look forward to this new arrangement. While I respect both Gary and Tom for their opinions, both have attacked me for almost anything I said that opposed their opinions. I will base my further comments accordingly.

    I'll fully acknowledge I participate here as an "antagonist". Maybe I'm wasting my time. But I try to get people to think outside the box. I don't have a dog in the hunt anymore. I'm retired. I don't care. I just do this for "fun". I probably go offshore fishing once a year on a boat I charter to take my "I don't own a boat" butt offshore.

    But, I have seen where the rec sector has gone, and they have drunk the kool-aid way too long. Think people ....... think outside the box. Your fixes are not "take it from commercial" or "take it from for-hire"; that gets you 10 more red snapper days in the Gulf. Your problem is there are too many of you for species like red snapper. Think outside the box. How do you address this?

    This is a great forum for that discussion.
  • Docked WagesDocked Wages Posts: 3,025 Admin
    Thanls for the feedback and for your continued participation. Without varying opinions or perspectives you do not have a discussion. The key is to continue these discussions without attacks. By adding Gary as Moderator shows that FS welcomes varying perspectives. Maybe you should throw your name into the the next round of moderator selection...

    As far as your perspective goes you make a good point. The answer is never take from one to give to another. Thats like fishing socialism. We are weaker if they divide us against each other. Instead of recreation vs commercial, we would be stronger if we all spoke as one voice against the skewed federal regs.
    Mark Wilson
    USCG 100t Master, Assist Tow, 200nm Coastal
    Marine Surveyor, SAMS, ABYC, IAMI, FMIU
    Wilson Yacht Survey, Inc. 
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Mark - while Bubba and I haven't agreed on much, there have been times that I have given him kudos and praise for his stance.

    Bubba doesn't want his name revealed and has taken extraordinary steps to conceal his IP address - makes you wonder why, doesn't it? I don't agree with Gary much either, but he at least has the balls to put his name behind what he says, as do I.

    Bubba has also gotten it backwards - it has been the EDF-funded commercials and for-hire that have stolen our fish from the true recreational fishermen here in the Gulf. The proof is in the pudding - going back to 1986 to try to justify the for-hire % in sector separation was a total joke. Most of the captains fishing today weren't even fishing then, there were a LOT more charter boats back then, and the capt/crew could retain fish. Reducing the recreational season to 11 days while giving the for-hire boats 4X that and the commercial fleet 365 day access tells the story. Trying to rectify this injustice is somehow being construed by Bubba and his ilk as "taking" from the thieves that stole it in the first place via their EDF connections.

    All the best,
    Thomas J. Hilton
  • Docked WagesDocked Wages Posts: 3,025 Admin
    No issues with someone not wanting to expose their identity on social media, there could be many good reasons so lets not dwell on that any more.

    As long as FS allow self defined user names its not an issue.
    Mark Wilson
    USCG 100t Master, Assist Tow, 200nm Coastal
    Marine Surveyor, SAMS, ABYC, IAMI, FMIU
    Wilson Yacht Survey, Inc. 
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Docked Wages - agreed - not an issue. If someone doesn't want to put their name behind what they say, they have every right to do so on this forum.
    Tom
  • lemaymiamilemaymiami Posts: 4,671 Captain
    On the other side of the coin.... I have little respect for anyone not willing to stand up and be accountable for their words. You'll always see my name and phone number attached to anything I have to say publicly, without exception.
    Tight Lines
    Bob LeMay
    (954) 435-5666
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    lemaymiami wrote: »
    On the other side of the coin.... I have little respect for anyone not willing to stand up and be accountable for their words. You'll always see my name and phone number attached to anything I have to say publicly, without exception.

    Mr. Lemay,

    I'm not going to further deliberate on whether Tom Hilton's perspective or mine is correct, or somewhere in between. But I would like to address something in your post.

    While I respect your opinion on this dead horse topic of identifying yourself, I can point you to many many many message forums where people all live by avatar names (I used to be a fairly big player in a certain part of the internet universe far far away from these type boards, and I did not use my real name on any of them.... or only parts of it). Many of these sites have highly controversial threads; and people don't want their "adversaries" to know who they are and where they live or what they really do.

    Its not intended as a "duck responsibility"; its an anonymity in the social media world concern. You never know what whacko might live down the street from you and decide your message forum "discussion" deserves that you get your car keyed, or your windows broken, etc. Trust me; it has happened. I know of a person who admittedly drove from Detroit to Philly to break a guy's car windows because of an internet arguement.

    I've "electronically" known several whacko's who were capable of a lot of things, including hacking your computer and you'd never know it.

    There is a whole black internet out there that you may not realize (I know guys who gutted a never released version of Windows called "Longhorn" (what became Windows 7) and made it a really great OS. But, back on point, all they need is your IP. That's why its so important that moderators of message forums should never post IPs of users.

    In addition......... bots crawl these boards constantly. I still run a message board on the other side of the internet universe; me and my moderators delete any reference to email me at [email protected] or call me at 888-545-5555. We either change it to john doe at gmail dot com, or we delete it.

    You have no idea how many spam bots crawl message boards and web sites daily (hourly). They are gleaning personal information to feed back to google, yahoo, and LOTS of places you don't want your information known to.

    I just went to a long dead message board I know of; a google bot and a yahoo bot are crawling it as I write this. My board doesn't tell me bots, but you can't read my board if you aren't registered; within the last hour, 2 "guests" have visited my board. I just went to an active message board for my other universe world; Within the last 5 minutes bots from google, yandex, bing, brandwatch, yahoo and "guest" were there. Here's what one of the "recent visitors" listings noted:

    Robot: Yandex
    Viewing member profile XXXXXXXXXXXX, 2 minutes ago

    I have no idea what yandex is, but its crawling a poster's profile to see if there is pertinent information its company can use. Obviously, "brandwatch" is rather self-explanatory.

    Providing personal information on the internet is not wise. Putting your real birth date on Facebook? You just opened yourself up....... just food for thought.

    I know this is long, but it seems some of you are not really up to speed on what the internet can do to you. I'm not trying to start a debate. I've just been in this ether world a long time; I know a lot of what can happen, and I know people (otherwise good people) who'd burn your whole world if you stepped on their ego the wrong way.

    Just be careful out there.......
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    BubbaII wrote: »
    Mr. Lemay,

    Its not intended as a "duck responsibility"; its an anonymity in the social media world concern. You never know what whacko might live down the street from you and decide your message forum "discussion" deserves that you get your car keyed, or your windows broken, etc. Trust me; it has happened. I know of a person who admittedly drove from Detroit to Philly to break a guy's car windows because of an internet argument.

    I've "electronically" known several whacko's who were capable of a lot of things, including hacking your computer and you'd never know it.

    There is a whole black internet out there that you may not realize

    Mr. LeMay,

    To reiterate my point, I USED to know a guy (I'm not kidding, either), but no longer have his email account (so this is totally hypothetical). But if your comment had been enough to me to really really really tick me off, and IF I still had his email account, I could send him the link to your post above and ask him to take care of the situation. With that information, he could find out everything he needs to know about you. If he agreed, by tomorrow morning, I promise you, your bank account would be drained, you might not even own your house anymore or have any retirement or social security.

    Those people exist, folks. Surely, you're read enough about "hacks" lately. These people exist and are getting more sophisticated. Don't give them the opportunity to do that to you.
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 12,787 AG
    Scary stuff.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • lemaymiamilemaymiami Posts: 4,671 Captain
    Attaching your name to opinion pieces would be a great way to cut down on some of the stuff that has driven a lot of good folks away from this forum, period.

    I'll get down off of my soap box now...
    Tight Lines
    Bob LeMay
    (954) 435-5666
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    All I'll say is good luck, to you, Mr. LeMay.

    I try not to post "opinions". I try to post relevant information that may not be known or understood by folks who just fish occasionally. Yes, that information may be counter to some claims, so maybe I fit within your definition of "opinion". See that shrimp thread for example. I simply copied text from scientific reports. Now, whether you agree with those scientist's conclusions is up to you. Other scientists agreed with those texts and approved their publication in peer reviewed journals.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    BubbaII wrote: »
    Mr. LeMay,

    To reiterate my point, I USED to know a guy (I'm not kidding, either), but no longer have his email account (so this is totally hypothetical). But if your comment had been enough to me to really really really tick me off, and IF I still had his email account, I could send him the link to your post above and ask him to take care of the situation. With that information, he could find out everything he needs to know about you. If he agreed, by tomorrow morning, I promise you, your bank account would be drained, you might not even own your house anymore or have any retirement or social security.

    Those people exist, folks. Surely, you're read enough about "hacks" lately. These people exist and are getting more sophisticated. Don't give them the opportunity to do that to you.

    :Spittingcoffee

    Don't threaten the member's please. It isn't nice.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Good move, at least Nuevo isn't involved!

    When you gonna get rid of that guy? He does more destruction of the forum than any Mod!
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Good move, at least Nuevo isn't involved!

    When you gonna get rid of that guy? He does more destruction of the forum than any Mod!

    That's why I had Gary brought in to help moderate the ConFron forum - to do some of the heavy lifting required.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
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    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • nuevowavonuevowavo Posts: 6,847 Admin
    Tom Hilton wrote: »
    That's why I had Gary brought in to help moderate the ConFron forum - to do some of the heavy lifting required.

    Ron meant he wants you to get rid of me.
    Federales, bring my baby back to me!
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    :Spittingcoffee

    Don't threaten the member's please. It isn't nice.

    Aw, Gary, I think I phrased it correctly. There are people out there who can hurt you electronically. I just think some folks don't fully appreciate that. I wouldn't wish that kind of electronic intrusion on anybody. I just knew a guy once (electronically) who could do that to you, not think twice about it, and never benefit from it. But he'd do it, if asked.

    So posting your personal information, including your name, can be a risk. That's where this all started.
  • Capt EasyCapt Easy Posts: 203 Officer
    New Con Fron Moderating Team

    Conservation Front Region is the backbone of Florida Sportsman by providing a voice and a venue to discuss conservation issues. At times not all members or moderators have the same opinion or perspective on certain issues and typically this promotes healthy discussions. We ask moderators to be members first and moderate when needed. Tom Hilton has been doing an excellent job with his role and now we are expanding the moderators in this region so we can continue to maintain balance of minimal moderation and higher participation. At this time I would like to announce that Gary Colecchio has accepted the role as a moderator for Conservation Front. Gary brings a long history of conservation support as well as an active participant in this region. Gary and Tom have different perspectives on various conservation issues and this strategic partnership will demonstrate that we can maintain respect and dialog with opposing views. Tom and Gary have agreed to work together to offer fair and balanced moderation and participation.

    Please join me in welcoming our new team and diverse approach to support the vision of Conservation Front.

    Fair and balanced moderation? Collechio? :rotflmao
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    BubbaII wrote: »
    Aw, Gary, I think I phrased it correctly. There are people out there who can hurt you electronically. .

    Many have tried.:grin

    I'm still here.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    Many have tried.:grin

    I'm still here.

    Comment was not directed at you, sir. It was generic.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    Many have tried.:grin

    I'm still here.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
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