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  • Baits OutBaits Out Posts: 12,328 AG
    I highly doubt unemployment pays an equivalent of $30/hr for 40hrs. There is noone making anywhere close to 50k a year on unemployment. The simple fact you think that is disturbing. You could even add in food stamps with the unemployment and people still wouldn't be close to 50k a year.
    And you most certainly can't just walk in to some govt building and sign up to be paid because you don't want to work. Maybe you could for food stamps. But let's be logical are you really OK with the idea that people could be dying from starving /hunger becuase they couldn't afford to buy food. If you can show proof of no income, no bank accounts, no assests then yes you should have access to food stamps. As great as our country is people should not die from starving/hunger on our soil.

    Please read everything:

    between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. Household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support.

    A southeast Florida laid back beach bum and volunteer bikini assessor who lives on island time. 
  • stc1993stc1993 Posts: 10,623 AG
    The welfare queens get their rent pd., utility bill pd., All kind of things. We had a tenant that had kids & 3 of her daughters had kids. 10 kids altogether she was getting over $1k/mth in food stamps. If they are below a certain level they even put cash on their SNAP cards.
  • bigironbigiron Posts: 543 Officer
    Nobody wants to work the trades these days. Nobody wants to get dirty and sweat. Kids today are really lazy or "something". I was talking to a young fellow that was purchasing a home and was talking about budgeting and where to cut back because he had to hire a lawn guy, a pool guy, and still needed money to have his cars washed and the oil changed. I said to him to do all that your self and keep several hundred dollars per month in your pocket. He tells me with a serious face, "I don't do that kind of work." But yet he was trying to figure where to cut back. He said his weekends were for relaxing, not mowing grass or vacuuming a pool. I said okeedokee and wished him luck.
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 18,963 AG
    Baits Out wrote: »
    Please read everything:

    between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. Household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support.
    Is that every day? Or 5 days a week?

    That there is good $.

    As a matter of fact it's over 20$ an hour if they get that much for 5 days. If the construction industry had to pay that for every hire the American public would have a fit!

    Maybe that's why illegal labor is so rampant, along with the fraud that goes along with these programs.
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral
    I highly doubt unemployment pays an equivalent of $30/hr for 40hrs. There is noone making anywhere close to 50k a year on unemployment. The simple fact you think that is disturbing. You could even add in food stamps with the unemployment and people still wouldn't be close to 50k a year.
    And you most certainly can't just walk in to some govt building and sign up to be paid because you don't want to work. Maybe you could for food stamps. But let's be logical are you really OK with the idea that people could be dying from starving /hunger becuase they couldn't afford to buy food. If you can show proof of no income, no bank accounts, no assests then yes you should have access to food stamps. As great as our country is people should not die from starving/hunger on our soil.

    Fuzzy math. He should complain about corporate welfare instead of the many hard working poor people who need assistance to survive in our society.
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 16,748 AG
    Baits Out wrote: »
    Please read everything:

    between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. Household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support.


    You are repeating a right wing lie

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33459.htm
    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
  • Turner River TerrorTurner River Terror Posts: 11,912 AG
    jad1097 wrote: »
    Fuzzy math. He should complain about corporate welfare instead of the many hard working poor people who need assistance to survive in our society.

    I Know there are good Hard Working poor Folks...:USA
    What I wonder is if their so Hard Working...why are they still Poor.
    Maybe they need a Financial Advisor. I can text them the freakin number if I have too..:cool
    Do they work hard and make lot's of money and then Blow It...****
    Maybe they work hard for little money. Sounds like they need to move or get some Smarts.
    Bad luck is just that , anybody can run a string of it...but your entire life..:huh
    Killin and Grillin :grin
  • AC ManAC Man Posts: 7,306 Admiral
    bigiron wrote: »
    Nobody wants to work the trades these days. Nobody wants to get dirty and sweat. Kids today are really lazy or "something". I was talking to a young fellow that was purchasing a home and was talking about budgeting and where to cut back because he had to hire a lawn guy, a pool guy, and still needed money to have his cars washed and the oil changed. I said to him to do all that your self and keep several hundred dollars per month in your pocket. He tells me with a serious face, "I don't do that kind of work." But yet he was trying to figure where to cut back. He said his weekends were for relaxing, not mowing grass or vacuuming a pool. I said okeedokee and wished him luck.

    This is the truth. couldn't have said it better myself. I grew up in the 60's and 70's. and begged my dad in the A/C biz to hire me. At 14 he said no, be a kid you got the rest of you're life to work. At 15 he said ok. Worked the summer in the heat and then moved on in later years to full time. Loved it, but I think part of it was I wanted to impress my dad. I would never in a million years recommend this biz to a young person today. I still love it, it's all I know, and am proud of my business and how we stand in the community. That makes it all worth it.
  • Baits OutBaits Out Posts: 12,328 AG
    Gardawg wrote: »

    Real life experiences during the last several decades TRUMP liberal commentaries.

    "Insensitivity to human plight taken to new extremes."

    Sorry, more wimpy entitlement beggars BS.

    :)

    A southeast Florida laid back beach bum and volunteer bikini assessor who lives on island time. 
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 3,342 Captain
    I did A/C work for 38 years. When we had take your kid to work days I would find the dirtiest jobs I could find. Two years was all it took. He went to collage and is now a nuclear engineer.
    I agree A/C work is a great trade and I am glad it is what I choose. But I learned to hate it.
  • PolarPolar Posts: 22,492 AG
    Im wishing my father didnt do the take your kid to work days with me, and stuff me in attics, and under homes at 12 years old. The hvac industry has burnt my brain. Oh and before some **** says it, you spelled college wrong. :)
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 16,748 AG
    Baits Out wrote: »
    Real life experiences during the last several decades TRUMP liberal commentaries.

    "Insensitivity to human plight taken to new extremes."

    Sorry, more wimpy entitlement beggars BS.

    :)

    gotcha

    facts don't matter to you

    typical
    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
  • Fish HaidFish Haid Posts: 8,417 Admiral
    Legal pot is coming. That should really help energize our young work force!
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  • Baits OutBaits Out Posts: 12,328 AG
    Gardawg wrote: »
    gotcha

    facts don't matter to you

    typical

    :rotflmao

    A southeast Florida laid back beach bum and volunteer bikini assessor who lives on island time. 
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral

    I Know there are good Hard Working poor Folks...:USA
    What I wonder is if their so Hard Working...why are they still Poor.
    Maybe they need a "Financial Advisor". I can text them the freakin number if I have too..:cool
    Do they work hard and make lot's of money and then Blow It...****
    Maybe they work hard for little money. Sounds like they need to move or get some Smarts.
    Bad luck is just that , anybody can run a string of it...but your entire life..:huh

    Someone has to work those jobs. Contrary to popular belief most of the low paying jobs are done by American citizens.

    Yes, they are poor and can afford a "Financial Advisor".:rolleyes

    Many folks don't know how to manage money thus live week to week so, yeah. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/

    :huh Where would you have poor people move to that is more affordable?

    Too bad you cant just "get some Smarts":rolleyes









    Who makes minimum wage?

    By Drew DeSilver224 comments

    federal minimum wage over time

    Given the continuing campaigns by unions, workers, politicians and others to raise the federal minimum wage, it bears asking: Just who are minimum-wage workers, anyway?

    Perhaps surprisingly, not very many people earn minimum wage, and they make up a smaller share of the workforce than they used to. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, last year 1.532 million hourly workers earned the federal minimum of $7.25 an hour; nearly 1.8 million more earned less than that because they fell under one of several exemptions (tipped employees, full-time students, certain disabled workers and others), for a total of 3.3 million hourly workers at or below the federal minimum.

    That group represents 4.3% of the nation’s 75.9 million hourly-paid workers and 2.6% of all wage and salary workers. In 1979, when the BLS began regularly studying minimum-wage workers, they represented 13.4% of hourly workers and 7.9% of all wage and salary workers. (Bear in mind that the 3.3 million figure doesn’t include salaried workers, although BLS says relatively few salaried workers are paid at what would translate into below-minimum hourly rates. Also, 23 states, as well as the District of Columbia, have higher minimum wages than the federal standard; people who earned the state minimum wage in those jurisdictions aren’t included in the 3.3 million total.)

    People at or below the federal minimum are:

    Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).
    Mostly (77%) white; nearly half are white women.
    Largely part-time workers (64% of the total).

    minimum wage workers by occupational group

    FT_14.09.08_MinimumWage_table.pngThey’re employed in the industries and occupations you might expect: More than half (55%) work in the leisure and hospitality industry, about 14% in retail, 8% in education and health services, and the rest scattered among other industries. Broken down occupationally, the picture is similar: Nearly 47% are in food-preparation and serving-related occupations; 14.5% are in sales and related occupations, 7% in personal care and service occupations, and the rest are scattered.

    They’re also more likely to live in the South than anywhere else – in part because only one southern state (Florida) has its own higher state minimum wage. In both the West South Central (Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana) and East South Central (Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee) regions, 6.3% of hourly workers make the federal minimum or less — the highest rates among the nine Census Bureau-defined regions. They were followed by the eight-state (plus D.C.) South Atlantic region, where 5.1% of hourly workers made the federal minimum or less. The lowest rate, 1.5%, was in the Pacific region – not surprising, given that four of the five states in that region (California, Oregon, Washington and Alaska) have their own, higher state minimums.

    Economists continue to debate the extent to which minimum-wage laws reduce poverty, income inequality and/or overall employment. What’s clear, though, is that after a three-step increase in 2007-09, today’s minimum wage buys more than it did recently, but its real purchasing power is about where it was in the early 1980s — and below its late-1960s peak.


    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/

    Bad luck is a MF'er
  • pbsnookerpbsnooker Posts: 882 Officer
    Sign up with your local union for manpower. If you pay as good as you say, it might even be cheaper for you.
    Here in my area a good tech with good reputation will get over $30 an hour plus bennifits ( pension, insurance, vacation, holidays etc)
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral
    pbsnooker wrote: »
    Sign up with your local union for manpower. If you pay as good as you say, it might even be cheaper for you.
    Here in my area a good tech with good reputation will get over $30 an hour plus bennifits ( pension, insurance, vacation, holidays etc)


    I bet he would not go the union route
  • Gary SGary S Posts: 3,342 Captain
    Polar wrote: »
    Oh and before some **** says it, you spelled college wrong. :)

    I'm not the one that went, I was only the one that paid for it.
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