Sarasota tarpon trip last week.

Our great trip to Rio Colorado, Costa Rica

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  • FlfjackFlfjack Posts: 646 Officer
    Awesome report! that last pic is one of the sickest shots of a tarpon i've ever seen.
    East Boynton
    IG jack.bbi
  • Fi$h2nguyenFi$h2nguyen Posts: 7,782 Moderator
    Awesome, thanks for the report with pics!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Keeping busy while away from Florida

    https://www.youtube.com/user/UFpwrLifter/videos?view_as=public
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 520 Officer
    Nice evidence you have there.

    "People are allowed to temporarily possess a tarpon for photography, measurement of length and girth and scientific sampling, with the stipulation that tarpon more than 40 inches must remain in the water."
  • MGDMGD Posts: 1,045 Officer
    Nice evidence you have there.

    "People are allowed to temporarily possess a tarpon for photography, measurement of length and girth and scientific sampling, with the stipulation that tarpon more than 40 inches must remain in the water."

    Its in the water
    Get a life
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 520 Officer
    MGD wrote: »
    Its in the water
    Get a life

    Stop violating the tarpon law!

    No it is not in the water per the law, can't you read , no tarpon over 40 inches out of the water, that means all of the fish not part of the fish. Care to send the FWC a copy of that photo for analysis to see if they think you violated the no tarpon over 40 inches out of the water law. What part of that don't you understand?

    It is bad enough when that kind of illegal tarpon handling behavior is from a newbie but a licensed Captain should know better but obviously does not. The FWC needs to send him a reminder. People have been prosecuted before from photos on the internet and that is sure a nice piece of evidence.

    There is a rule on this board, no illegal fish photos, a similar photo has already been removed on another thread.

    It is not in the water and to say it is, is being really ignorant and uncaring about it.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 520 Officer
    This guy had the same type of Tarpon photos and they were removed because they were against the rules of posting photos, let's see how long your photos make it.

    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?223564-CLEARWATER-AND-THE-TAMPA-BAY-AREA-06-08-2016
  • MGDMGD Posts: 1,045 Officer
    The part I don't understand is YOU.
    So take them down.
    Sheesh
    Not gonna hurt my feelings.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 520 Officer
    So you want to catch tarpon you just don't want to go by the laws that protect the Tarpon you want to catch. Sounds reasonable to me! LOL
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 520 Officer
    Now you don't even want to own up to where you caught the tarpon, first it was Sarasota Florida, now after your photo was busted ONLY now you say the Tarpon was caught in Costa Rica. What a Sportsman that you are!
  • DarcyDarcy Posts: 1,711 Captain
    Tarpon monoxide. Come on. Maybe next time try not to be so condescending in your first comment if you truly are trying to help the guy learn proper tarpon handling. You really should be mad at the captain if you want to be mad at someone. Most of the people who come her to fish don't know the rules. It's sad and ignorance is not an excuse, but how we try to educate these people is all about getting them to listen and understand why. Your first comment " nice evidence you have there" does nothing to help, and automatically puts the other person on defense. Now if the guy came back with his "get a life" comment after you kindly let him know about the rules, then hell yeh, take him outback and beat him. Not figuratively speaking .
    Jmo though.
    P.s.
    We have moderators on here with zero people skills. And their post usually always end up in childish back and forth nonsense. Not naming any names. :).
    Can a Captain be held responsible from pictures if Caught.
    Hints in there somewhere. Lol.
    And by the way, I agree with you, just saying maybe try a different avenue next time first.
    Carry on.
    "No i'm NOT Darcizzle!":blowkiss


    https://captainsforcleanwater.org
  • GURSKGURSK Posts: 32 Greenhorn
    It really is a shame when people can't own up to their own mistakes and wrongdoing, as well as disobey the law and disrespect the beautiful fish we all love to catch and admire. I can't stand a person who tries to make excuses instead of listening and taking in useful information. You're just trying to help him. Stay on the high road man, and he'll get his karma. Tight lines dude! A lot of respect to you!
  • MGDMGD Posts: 1,045 Officer
    Oh please...Gursk...3 posts....
    You don't know me and drawing a conclusion about my integrity, sportsmanship and ability to obey the laws from a forum exchange is juvenile.
  • SnookMan772SnookMan772 Posts: 661 Officer
    and this, in a nutshell, is why the forum is going downhill... Nice fish and even better photo to the OP!!

    As far as the law.... They wrote it with a degree of uncertainty/gray area just as they do with lots of their laws and leave it up to the discretion of the officer. Save yourself the hassle of explaining it to me that they didn't say 1/2 the tarpon or 3/4 of the tarpon must remain in the water. You posted the law, we get it. I also read the other post that you attached to your comment, and find it funny that it started and is ending the same way as this one. Your approach is not constructive, nor is it helpful. I 100% support what you are saying as I too am all about conservation, however...

    As someone else commented.. "I was told by FWC that the better half of the fish must remain in the water, but, that it is up to the discrepancy of the officer(s)."

    Are you an officer?

    Perhaps the law is in place to prevent people from pulling the whole fish into the boat and letting them proceed to slam and **** all over everything until they are totally and completely exhausted enough to hold still for a picture? Perhaps, a half in half out picture with the better half of the fishes body still in the water is ok? We may never know...

    NICE FISH!!:USA
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 520 Officer
    ""As someone else commented.. "I was told by FWC that the better half of the fish must remain in the water, but, that it is up to the discrepancy of the officer(s).""


    Let's put all of the nonsense and ignorance to bed.
    The law is clear if you bother to read it all.

    The recently caught Tarpon over 40 inches photos pulled up half way out of the water and jacked against the side of the boat or held any part of the tarpon out of the water are photos of illegal tarpon handling no question about it.

    Someone on here said that a State LE told them that lifting a Tarpon over 40 inches half way out of the water was not against the law but that holding is not consistent with the actual tarpon law. If that is true and I hope it is not then that LE needs to go back to the Florida statutes and Florida administrative code books and learn the complete Tarpon law on Tarpon over 40 inches.

    68B-32.002 Definitions.
    As used in Chapter 68B-32, F.A.C.:
    (1) “Professional fishing guide” means the captain or operator of a boat or vessel who is licensed by the U.S. Coast Guard to carry paying passengers and whose passengers pay a fee to fish for tarpon.
    (2) “Tarpon” means a fish of the species Megalops atlanticus, or any part thereof.
    Rulemaking Authority Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. Law Implemented Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. History–New 11-30-88, Amended 1-1-98, Formerly 46-32.002, Amended 3-28-04, 9-1-13.
    68B-32.004 Restrictions on Possession of Tarpon; Commercial Harvest Prohibited.
    (1) Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C., a person may not harvest or unnecessarily destroy a tarpon within or without Florida Waters.
    (2) Temporary Possession by a Recreational Harvester –
    (a) Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C. and paragraph (2)(b), a recreational harvester may not possess a tarpon within or without Florida Waters.
    (b) A person may temporarily possess a tarpon within or without Florida Waters only for the purposes of photography, measuring length and girth, and taking a scientific sample.
    1. Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C. a recreational harvester who temporarily possesses a tarpon pursuant to this subsection shall release the tarpon alive and unharmed, immediately after photographing, measuring, or taking a scientific sample.
    2. Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C. a recreational harvester who temporarily possesses a tarpon pursuant to this subsection shall release the tarpon in the immediate area where the tarpon was caught.
    (3) Except for tarpon harvested or possessed pursuant to subsection 68B-32.009(1), F.A.C. tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length may not be removed from the water.
    (4) Possession for Commercial Purposes Prohibited – A commercial harvester may not harvest or possess a tarpon within or without Florida Waters.
    Rulemaking Authority Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. Law Implemented Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. History–New 1-1-98, Formerly 46-32.004, Amended 3-28-04, 3-1-05, 9-1-13.

    (2) “Tarpon” means a fish of the species Megalops atlanticus, or any part thereof.

    (3) Except for tarpon (“Tarpon” means a fish of the species Megalops atlanticus, or any part thereof) harvested or possessed pursuant to subsection 68B-32.009(1), F.A.C. tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length may not be removed from the water.


    The law is clear. The definition of "tarpon" for the purposes of this law means the complete whole Tarpon and not half the tarpon or even a quarter of the tarpon or even 10% of the tarpon.

    "Tarpon or any part thereof: clearly with no gray areas means the complete tarpon and nothing less.

    Now if the whiners are still unbelieving then let us go to more irrefutable evidence that the law makers intent by definition means the complete tarpon (over 40 inches) and nothing less.


    FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION
    Marine Fisheries
    RULE NOS.: RULE TITLES:
    68B-32.001 Purpose and Intent
    68B-32.002 Definitions
    68B-32.003 Tarpon Tags: Required for Possession; Report; Annual Issuance; Taxidermy; Limitation on Number of Tags Issued Annually; Limitation on Number of Tags Issued to Professional Fishing Guides
    68B-32.004 Bag Limit and Gear Restriction
    68B-32.006 Sale Prohibited, Transport Regulated
    68B-32.007 Purchase and Sale Prohibited; Transport and Shipment
    68B-32.009 Tarpon Tag Specifications
    PURPOSE AND EFFECT: The purpose of these rule amendments is to establish tarpon as a catch and release only fishery, in recognition of the fact that the economic and fishing value of tarpon as a catch and release fishery greatly exceeds its value as a food fish. This rule amendment will convey that tarpon will be managed as a catch and release only fishery, establish tarpon as a hook and line only fishery, remove the provision that allows for a recreational bag limit of tarpon, extend tarpon rules into adjacent federal waters, reduce the transport and shipment possession allowance to one tarpon per person, and allow temporary possession for photography, measurement of length and girth, and taking a scientific sample, provided that all tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length must be kept completely in the water, and all tarpon must be released immediately following the authorized activities in the area where caught. This rule amendment will also amend the tarpon tag system in the following ways: by limiting the allowable use of a tarpon tag to pursuit of an IGFA record only, limiting the number of tags an angler can purchase or use per year to one, and creating a vessel limit of one tarpon. The entire tarpon chapter will also be reformatted to conform to the style developed for marine fisheries regulations during the Division 68B rule cleanup process.
    The effect of these rule amendments will be a catch and release only tarpon fishery in Florida, with the only exception allowed for harvest being pursuit of an IGFA record. The rule amendments will otherwise allow for temporary possession of untagged tarpon for photography, measurement of length and girth, and taking a scientific sample, provided that all tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length must be kept completely in the water. The amendments will also result in simplified rule language that is easier to read and understand.
    SUMMARY: Rule 68B-32.001 will be created to convey that tarpon will be managed as a catch and release only fishery. Rule 68B-32.004 will be amended to remove the provision that allows for a recreational bag limit of tarpon, and allow temporary possession for photography, measurement of length and girth, and taking a scientific sample, provided that all tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length must be kept completely in the water, and all tarpon must be released immediately after the authorized activities in the area where caught. Rule 68B-32.006 will be amended to establish tarpon as a hook and line only fishery, and extend tarpon rules into adjacent federal waters. Rule 68B-32.007 will be created to reduce the transport and shipment possession allowance to one tarpon per person. The tarpon tag system will be modified in Rule 68B-32.009 to limit the allowable use of a tarpon tag to pursuit of an IGFA record only, limit the number of tags an angler can purchase or use per year to one, and create a vessel limit of one tarpon. The rule amendments will also reformat the rule to conform to the new style for Division 68B developed under the FWC’s 68B rule cleanup process.
    SUMMARY OF STATEMENT OF ESTIMATED REGULATORY COSTS AND LEGISLATIVE RATIFICATION:
    The Agency has determined that this will not have an adverse impact on small business or likely increase directly or indirectly regulatory costs in excess of $200,000 in the aggregate within one year after the implementation of the rule. A SERC has not been prepared by the agency.
    The Agency has determined that the proposed rule is not expected to require legislative ratification based on the statement of estimated regulatory costs or if no SERC is required, the information expressly relied upon and described herein: the nature of the rule and the preliminary analysis conducted to determine whether a SERC was required.
    Any person who wishes to provide information regarding a statement of estimated regulatory costs, or provide a proposal for a lower cost regulatory alternative must do so in writing within 21 days of this notice.
    RULEMAKING AUTHORITY: Article IV, Section 9, Florida Constitution.
    LAW IMPLEMENTED: Article IV, Section 9, Florida Constitution.
    A HEARING WILL BE HELD AT THE DATES, TIMES AND PLACE SHOWN BELOW:
    DATES AND TIMES: During the Commission’s regular meeting June 11, 2013, 1:00 p.m. – 5:00 p.m. and June 12-13, 8:30 a.m. – 5:00 p.m.
    PLACE: Hilton Garden Inn Lakeland, 3839 Don Emerson Drive, Lakeland 33811
    Pursuant to the provisions of the Americans with Disabilities Act, any person requiring special accommodations to participate in this workshop/meeting is asked to advise the agency at least 5 days before the workshop/meeting by contacting: The ADA Coordinator, at (850)488-6411. If you are hearing or speech impaired, please contact the agency using the Florida Relay Service, 1(800)955-8771 (TDD) or 1(800)955-8770 (Voice).
    THE PERSON TO BE CONTACTED REGARDING THE PROPOSED RULE IS: Jessica McCawley, Director, Division of Marine Fisheries Management, 2590 Executive Center Circle East, Suite 201, Tallahassee, Florida 32301, (850)487-0554

    68B-32.001 Purpose and Intent.
    The purpose and intent of this rule is to manage tarpon as a catch and release only fishery in recognition and in honor of the rich cultural heritage of sport fishing for tarpon in Florida waters.
    PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE: September 1, 2013.
    Rulemaking Authority Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. Law Implemented Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. History–New 9-1-13.

    (Substantial rewording of Rule 68B-32.002 follows. See Florida Administrative Code for present text.)

    68B-32.002 Definitions.
    As used in Chapter 68B-32, F.A.C.:
    (1) “Professional fishing guide” means the captain or operator of a boat or vessel who is licensed by the U.S. Coast Guard to carry paying passengers and whose passengers pay a fee to fish for tarpon.
    (2) “Tarpon” means a fish of the species Megalops atlanticus, or any part thereof.
    PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE: September 1, 2013.
    Rulemaking Specific Authority Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. Law Implemented Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. History–New 11-30-88, Amended 1-1-98, Formerly 46-32.002, Amended 3-28-04, Amended 9-1-13.

    68B-32.003 Tarpon Tags: Required for Possession; Report; Annual Issuance; Taxidermy; Limitation on Number of Tags Issued Annually; Limitation on Number of Tags Issued to Professional Fishing Guides.
    PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE: September 1, 2013.
    Rulemaking Specific Authority Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. Law Implemented Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. History–New 11-30-88, Amended 11-1-89, 10-1-90, 12-4-91, 11-26-92, 11-29-93, 1-1-95, 1-1-96, 11-27-96, 11-12-97, 11-16-98, Formerly 46-32.003, Amended 3-1-05, Repealed 9-1-13.

    (Substantial rewording of Rule 68B-32.004 follows. See Florida Administrative Code for present text.)

    68B-32.004 Restrictions on Possession of Tarpon; Commercial Harvest Prohibited Bag Limit and Gear Restriction.
    (1) Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C., a person may not harvest or unnecessarily destroy a tarpon within or without Florida Waters.
    (2) Temporary Possession by a Recreational Harvester –
    (a) Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C. and paragraph (2)(b), a recreational harvester may not possess a tarpon within or without Florida Waters.
    (b) A person may temporarily possess a tarpon within or without Florida Waters only for the purposes of photography, measuring length and girth, and taking a scientific sample.
    1. Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C. a recreational harvester who temporarily possesses a tarpon pursuant to this subsection shall release the tarpon alive and unharmed, immediately after photographing, measuring, or taking a scientific sample.
    2. Except as provided in Rule 68B-32.009, F.A.C. a recreational harvester who temporarily possesses a tarpon pursuant to this subsection shall release the tarpon in the immediate area where the tarpon was caught.
    (3) Except for tarpon harvested or possessed pursuant to subsection 68B-32.009(1) , F.A.C. tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length may not be removed from the water.
    (4) Possession for Commercial Purposes Prohibited – A commercial harvester may not harvest or possess a tarpon within or without Florida Waters.
    PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE: September 1, 2013.
    Rulemaking Specific Authority Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. Law Implemented Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. History–New 1-1-98, Formerly 46-32.004, Amended 3-28-04, 3-1-05, Amended 9-1-13.


    Jacking a tarpon up on the side of the boat half way out of the water certainly looks like some of the "any part thereof of the tarpon has been removed from the water and does not remain in the water and that would reasonably lead the reasonable man to say that the law providing that all tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length must be kept completely in the water was violated.

    What part of provided that all tarpon greater than 40 inches fork length must be completely kept in the water don't the naysayers understand?

    Doesn't the FWC give out rewards to those who turn in fishery and hunting violators?
    Maybe if the FWC comes because of the photos posted and gives you a notice to appear you can put in for your own reward for turning yourself in and on the internet no less.
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