Trump Positions Starting with Immigration Reform

JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
Each day I plan to post a different position brief from Trump so we can discuss his ideas. There appears to be a lot of confusion regarding his plans, so I thought this could clarify some things.

Some of his more controversial plans revolve around immigration reform, so I figured we could start there.

From Trumps site:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again

The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan

When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, **** her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.


Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:


Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.

Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

- Frederic Bastiat
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 27,451 AG
    In his quest for the Republican presidential nomination, Mr. Trump has stoked his crowds by promising to bring back jobs that have been snatched by illegal immigrants or outsourced by corporations, and voters worried about immigration have been his strongest backers.

    But he has also pursued more than 500 visas for foreign workers at Mar-a-Lago since 2010, according to the United States Department of Labor, while hundreds of domestic applicants failed to get the same jobs.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html
    Vote for the other candidate
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    add in H1b fraud and employee misclassification at his model importing business :)

    And for one thing, we dont want to have that blanket H1b minimum wage he talked about.
  • rickcrickc Posts: 9,171 Admiral
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    In his quest for the Republican presidential nomination, Mr. Trump has stoked his crowds by promising to bring back jobs that have been snatched by illegal immigrants or outsourced by corporations, and voters worried about immigration have been his strongest backers.

    But he has also pursued more than 500 visas for foreign workers at Mar-a-Lago since 2010, according to the United States Department of Labor, while hundreds of domestic applicants failed to get the same jobs.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html

    I don't hold that against him. In business you take advantage of every option offered. Trump knows the law is wrong but it would be stupid not to take advantage of it.

    It is our bought and paid for representatives that listened to their owners and got the legeslation passed that made this possible that should be held accountable.
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    greggl wrote: »
    for one thing, we dont want to have that blanket H1b minimum wage he talked about.

    So you are against raising the HB1 prevailing wage or am I misunderstanding something?
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • nuevowavonuevowavo Posts: 6,466 Admin
    JBond wrote: »
    Each day I plan to post a different position brief from Trump

    You might wanna change that to "each hour".
    Federales, bring my baby back to me!
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

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  • JAPJAP Posts: 3,373 Captain
    I think the alleged symbioses of the US/Mexican relationship need a review.
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    nuevowavo wrote: »
    You might wanna change that to "each hour".

    Are you saying there are some variances with Trump and his policies based on the hour or day? Maybe so, but I wanted to address the policies he has put in writing. His positions do not appear nearly as outlandish as some make them out to be.
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    JBond wrote: »
    So you are against raising the HB1 prevailing wage or am I misunderstanding something?

    Cruz and trump both tossed out these fixed bar numbers. That would be bad.

    The last thing we want to do is build structure around an arbitrary number. It's gotta be a variable so that it incentivizes the use of domestic talent and not undercutting it or equalizing around some 2016 wage.
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer

    No thoughts of your own, just some nonsense from the talking heads? Sigh...
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    greggl wrote: »
    Cruz and trump both tossed out these fixed bar numbers. That would be bad.

    The last thing we want to do is build structure around an arbitrary number. It's gotta be a variable so that it incentivizes the use of domestic talent and not undercutting it or equalizing around some 2016 wage.

    Fair enough, but is Trump right that raising the prevailing H1B wage could encourage employers to search here at home first?
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG


    I read the part about N Korea, S Korea and Japan from the NY Times interview that Andrea Mitchell mentions, and what Trump is saying makes sense.

    Stop being the world's policeman.

    Here's the transcript if you're interested:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/politics/donald-trump-transcript.html?_r=0
    Schadenfreude. November 8, 2016
  • Plan SeaPlan Sea Posts: 5,453 Officer
    How does Trump plan to pay for this massive expansion of Gov't and new police State?

    I'd like to have a 30 bedroom house on the water with a 71' Jim Smith parked out back. Sounds like a great "plan" just one little road block.
    they make missiles not bombs...

    Raytheon does indeed make bombs.

    Since Ratheon doesnt make bombs, retract this lie.

    Conservative math- A Prius pays $7.84 per mile traveled, a truck $15.20. The Prius is paying proportionately more, period! over an equal amount of distance.
  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG
    Plan Sea wrote: »
    just one little road block.

    You're not as smart as Trump?
    Schadenfreude. November 8, 2016
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    Plan Sea wrote: »
    How does Trump plan to pay for this massive expansion of Gov't and new police State?

    I'd like to have a 30 bedroom house on the water with a 71' Jim Smith parked out back. Sounds like a great "plan" just one little road block.

    This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

    Read more: http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?218119-Trump-Positions-Starting-with-Immigration-Reform#ixzz44VWt6haT

    You should read the OP and entire thread before asking questions that have already been answered.
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • Plan SeaPlan Sea Posts: 5,453 Officer
    grady30wa wrote: »
    You're not as smart as Trump?

    Smarter, I can show you how the funding can be obtained. Which was my point of me leaving that out.

    Trump, not so much
    they make missiles not bombs...

    Raytheon does indeed make bombs.

    Since Ratheon doesnt make bombs, retract this lie.

    Conservative math- A Prius pays $7.84 per mile traveled, a truck $15.20. The Prius is paying proportionately more, period! over an equal amount of distance.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    JBond wrote: »
    No thoughts of your own, just some nonsense from the talking heads? Sigh...

    :grin You mean like your OP?

    Your guy is a grade school wiseass who didn't do his homework and when asked a question makes things up to bluff his way out of it.

    He ain't fooling no one. Well, maybe you.

    How's that?
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Plan SeaPlan Sea Posts: 5,453 Officer
    JBond wrote: »
    This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

    Read more: http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?218119-Trump-Positions-Starting-with-Immigration-Reform#ixzz44VWt6haT

    You should read the OP and entire thread before asking questions that have already been answered.

    Eliminating tax credits payment is going to fund and maintain ALL of that, GMAFB. Even you can't be that duped so easily. We are talking billions if not Trillions to get this up and running and kept maintained. What do you think it would cost to E-verify EVERY single person that fills out a W-4. You would see more underground labor expansion and how are you going to pay to combat that????????

    So no JBond it was not answered because the cost associated with this garbage was never detailed nor was the funding mechanism.

    No wonder Trump supporters are easily duped. They like the meal but have no clue how much it costs or how to pick up the tab.
    they make missiles not bombs...

    Raytheon does indeed make bombs.

    Since Ratheon doesnt make bombs, retract this lie.

    Conservative math- A Prius pays $7.84 per mile traveled, a truck $15.20. The Prius is paying proportionately more, period! over an equal amount of distance.
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    :grin You mean like your OP?

    Your guy is a grade school wiseass who didn't do his homework and when asked a question makes things up to bluff his way out of it.

    He ain't fooling no one. Well, maybe you.

    How's that?

    You are mistaken again. I voted for Cruz. Unfortunately the yahoo's in Florida pushed Trump to commanding lead, so that is what we are stuck with and why I want to discuss his positions. You can participate or not, but mindless posts that have nothing to do with the topic are not useful by any measure.
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    Plan Sea wrote: »
    Eliminating tax credits payment is going to fund and maintain ALL of that, GMAFB. Even you can't be that duped so easily. We are talking billions if not Trillions to get this up and running and kept maintained. What do you think it would cost to E-verify EVERY single person that fills out a W-4. You would see more underground labor expansion and how are you going to pay to combat that????????

    So no JBond it was not answered because the cost associated with this garbage was never detailed nor was the funding mechanism.

    No wonder Trump supporters are easily duped. They like the meal but have no clue how much it costs or how to pick up the tab.

    Trillions of dollars for e-verify? LOL. Sure thing.

    How much was spend on the 20 million illegals last year? Tax credits and refunds? Housing? Food? Education? Go find the number and get back to me.
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • Plan SeaPlan Sea Posts: 5,453 Officer
    JBond wrote: »
    Trillions of dollars for e-verify? LOL. Sure thing.

    How much was spend on the 20 million illegals last year? Tax credits and refunds? Housing? Food? Education? Go find the number and get back to me.

    If you can't give me a figure from your guy, attack mine. Gotcha

    Where do you get 20 million from? Just make schitt up?

    You are the guy who started this thread so why don't you research the figures, Trump won't so perhaps you can start putting costs together then. OR enjoy the next serving of BS.

    Just curious when you did your business plan was the funding derived from tax credits? or did you have to actually put figures in order to implement it?
    they make missiles not bombs...

    Raytheon does indeed make bombs.

    Since Ratheon doesnt make bombs, retract this lie.

    Conservative math- A Prius pays $7.84 per mile traveled, a truck $15.20. The Prius is paying proportionately more, period! over an equal amount of distance.
  • nuevowavonuevowavo Posts: 6,466 Admin
    JBond wrote: »
    Are you saying there are some variances with Trump and his policies based on the hour or day? Maybe so, but I wanted to address the policies he has put in writing. His positions do not appear nearly as outlandish as some make them out to be.

    Yeah, he sure flip-flops around, but that's because his "positions" online are written for him, and he's not even sure what they say. The words from his mouth are often at odds with his "positions".
    Federales, bring my baby back to me!
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    Amnesty is still cheaper. It mainstreams labor which is currently not competitive in ways which will increase the quality of employment overall.

    That's the problem with the special classes we've created in the imported labor marketplace. If preveiling wages are below a phantom living wage, we haven't done anything but rearrange deck chairs ;)
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    JBond wrote: »
    You are mistaken again. I voted for Cruz. Unfortunately the yahoo's in Florida pushed Trump to commanding lead, so that is what we are stuck with and why I want to discuss his positions. You can participate or not, but mindless posts that have nothing to do with the topic are not useful by any measure.

    Thank you for your courtesy. You seem to believe that you believe that you in some way set the conversation in the cesspool.

    You don't.

    Trump is the topic and you declared that you were mindlessly going to post about him daily. That almost demands a counter.

    There are other opportunities available elsewhere if this concept is unappealing to you.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Plan SeaPlan Sea Posts: 5,453 Officer
    JBond wrote: »

    How much was spend on the 20 million illegals last year? Tax credits and refunds? Housing? Food? Education? Go find the number and get back to me.

    If you can't come up with an accurate figure of the actual people you are cutting from you can't drone on about how much is being spent.

    Yet you seem to think that figure covers the cost of the entire plan. Now you want me to find some unknown number to justify your thread. Good luck with that.
    they make missiles not bombs...

    Raytheon does indeed make bombs.

    Since Ratheon doesnt make bombs, retract this lie.

    Conservative math- A Prius pays $7.84 per mile traveled, a truck $15.20. The Prius is paying proportionately more, period! over an equal amount of distance.
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    Thank you for your courtesy. You seem to believe that you believe that you in some way set the conversation in the cesspool.

    You don't.

    Trump is the topic and you declared that you were mindlessly going to post about him daily. That almost demands a counter.

    There are other opportunities available elsewhere if this concept is unappealing to you.

    I am enjoying watching you use the derailing tactics you used to whine about. Please try to stay on topic.
    When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

    - Frederic Bastiat
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    Trump is the topic. Please confine your remarks to it and not the members. Thanks.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Plan SeaPlan Sea Posts: 5,453 Officer
    :rotflmao :rotflmao

    Yes, by all means KEEP posting his positions JBond.


    Poll: As Trump Rises, Support For Border Security Falls

    The Pew poll, which was released on Thursday, shows that border security is far less popular than it was last year, before Donald Trump’s face became a near-permanent fixture on cable news networks. In September of 2015, 46 percent of those polled said they favored building a fence along America’s southern border with Mexico. But in its latest poll, Pew found that support had fallen significantly, with only 38 percent favoring a border fence. When the question was reframed to ask about a border wall as opposed to a border fence, only 34 percent said they would favor building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Support for the legalization of illegal immigration also hit a new high, with 75 percent of poll respondents saying that illegal immigrants should be able to stay in the U.S. rather than being deported. Only 23 percent, a new low, said they favored a national law enforcement effort to deport illegal immigrants. In 2014, 30 percent of respondents said all illegal immigrants should be deported.

    Trump has repeatedly said he got into the race because nobody was talking about the need for tighter border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws. If the Pew poll is indication, however, the more Trump talks about the issues, the more likely people are to take the opposite position.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/31/poll-as-trump-rises-support-for-border-security-falls/
    they make missiles not bombs...

    Raytheon does indeed make bombs.

    Since Ratheon doesnt make bombs, retract this lie.

    Conservative math- A Prius pays $7.84 per mile traveled, a truck $15.20. The Prius is paying proportionately more, period! over an equal amount of distance.
  • NewberryJeffNewberryJeff Posts: 7,270 Admiral
    :grin You mean like your OP?

    Your guy is a grade school wiseass who didn't do his homework and when asked a question makes things up to bluff his way out of it.

    He ain't fooling no one. Well, maybe you.

    How's that?


    And yet, he steamrolled the entire field :shrug
  • Plan SeaPlan Sea Posts: 5,453 Officer
    And yet, he steamrolled the entire field :shrug

    He has? I thought millions more voted against Trump than for Trump.
    they make missiles not bombs...

    Raytheon does indeed make bombs.

    Since Ratheon doesnt make bombs, retract this lie.

    Conservative math- A Prius pays $7.84 per mile traveled, a truck $15.20. The Prius is paying proportionately more, period! over an equal amount of distance.
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