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duckmanJR
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I.R. Lagoon workshop
duckmanJR
Posts: 21,265 AG
It was today... I attended along with Palm Beach Pete.
Indian River County Commission Chambers
1801 27th Street
Vero Beach, Florida 32960
Online registration at www.ircgov.com then follow the link on the home page.
For those who cannot attend you may watch the program live and reply on our local government channel or streaming live at www.ircgov.com
There will be two speakers that will present potential solutions for the IRL. A ocean to lagoon pumping station that has been operational in Destin Harbor that has proved to dramatically improve water quality. Also we will have a presentation on a water scrubbing technology that again is a proved success story. These and more speakers will present recent and potential solutions to help improve the water quality in the IRL.
Indian River Lagoon Workshop
“Are we making any progress?”
***********************
9:05-9:15******** 2016 Legislative update Representative Debbie Mayfield
As you can imagine...Not a lot of great news
9:15-9:40******** Indian River Lagoon Council
Indian River Lagoon National Estuary Program
*********************** Dr. Duane De Freese, Ph.D.
Dr DeFreese was at a meeting up in Brevard. He had an associate give the presentation.
9:40-10:00****** Fertilizer Enforcement / Storm Water Education
*********************** Alexis Peralta
All I can say is " A joke"...no way to really enforce...basicly just a partial year recommendation.
Indian River County Public Works
10:00-10:25**** Ground Water movement and Septic Tanks
Osprey South Relief Canal Algae Turf Scrubber
Vincent Burke PE
Indian River County Utilities Director
Gave some of the best info on work to remove N & P from water coming down the south relief canal. Also gave good information on what areas should be targeted for sewer in a prioratized way.
10:30-10:50**** Septic to Sewer and ways to get there.
Carter Taylor
Indian River Neighborhood Association
Vero Beach, Florida
Important info...but his presentation was way to long....people actually left....It was more geared to be a presentation to county commisioners and not lay public...and was drier than the Sahara desert.
10:50-11:15**** Seagrass and Water Quality
Dr. Charles Jacoby Environmental Scientist
St Johns River Water Management District
Palatka, Florida
As expected...a lot of dated material.... Mentioned that we peaked and were looking OK prior to 2009. Losses after that...some large. He feels that we are at about the same level of seagrass loss's as in 2012/13...but did not have the data.
11:15-11:40**** Nutrient remediation water technology. “Water Scrubbing”
Bill Eggers Scientist
AquaFiber®™ Winter Park, Florida
THIS...Was by far the best presentation with the most promise for a fast start that can provide measurable results. It is a private company... I suggest you look at their website...This, along with the needed infrastructure (sewer) would have a positive impact in both short and long term.
11:40-12:10**** Bethel Creek, Indian River Lagoon & Destin Harbor, what do they have in common?
Destin Harbor Pump Station
David Bazylak City of Destin, Florida
The answer...Not much! This project IMHO would not do what we need. The Destin harbor project is 220 acres.... To do this on any scale in our area would be very pricey. I see right thru the "pitch" since it is focused around Bethel creek... A high dollar area that is a backwater....This might provide some benefit to an isolated core of waterfront property owners...but VERY little to the system overall.
Both Pete and I spoke at the Q & A at the end
Anyway, Thanks go to Tim Zorc for spearheading this. We are moving forward...
Pete...add any more stuff you think is important.
Indian River County Commission Chambers
1801 27th Street
Vero Beach, Florida 32960
Online registration at www.ircgov.com then follow the link on the home page.
For those who cannot attend you may watch the program live and reply on our local government channel or streaming live at www.ircgov.com
There will be two speakers that will present potential solutions for the IRL. A ocean to lagoon pumping station that has been operational in Destin Harbor that has proved to dramatically improve water quality. Also we will have a presentation on a water scrubbing technology that again is a proved success story. These and more speakers will present recent and potential solutions to help improve the water quality in the IRL.
Indian River Lagoon Workshop
“Are we making any progress?”
***********************
9:05-9:15******** 2016 Legislative update Representative Debbie Mayfield
As you can imagine...Not a lot of great news
9:15-9:40******** Indian River Lagoon Council
Indian River Lagoon National Estuary Program
*********************** Dr. Duane De Freese, Ph.D.
Dr DeFreese was at a meeting up in Brevard. He had an associate give the presentation.
9:40-10:00****** Fertilizer Enforcement / Storm Water Education
*********************** Alexis Peralta
All I can say is " A joke"...no way to really enforce...basicly just a partial year recommendation.
Indian River County Public Works
10:00-10:25**** Ground Water movement and Septic Tanks
Osprey South Relief Canal Algae Turf Scrubber
Vincent Burke PE
Indian River County Utilities Director
Gave some of the best info on work to remove N & P from water coming down the south relief canal. Also gave good information on what areas should be targeted for sewer in a prioratized way.
10:30-10:50**** Septic to Sewer and ways to get there.
Carter Taylor
Indian River Neighborhood Association
Vero Beach, Florida
Important info...but his presentation was way to long....people actually left....It was more geared to be a presentation to county commisioners and not lay public...and was drier than the Sahara desert.
10:50-11:15**** Seagrass and Water Quality
Dr. Charles Jacoby Environmental Scientist
St Johns River Water Management District
Palatka, Florida
As expected...a lot of dated material.... Mentioned that we peaked and were looking OK prior to 2009. Losses after that...some large. He feels that we are at about the same level of seagrass loss's as in 2012/13...but did not have the data.
11:15-11:40**** Nutrient remediation water technology. “Water Scrubbing”
Bill Eggers Scientist
AquaFiber®™ Winter Park, Florida
THIS...Was by far the best presentation with the most promise for a fast start that can provide measurable results. It is a private company... I suggest you look at their website...This, along with the needed infrastructure (sewer) would have a positive impact in both short and long term.
11:40-12:10**** Bethel Creek, Indian River Lagoon & Destin Harbor, what do they have in common?
Destin Harbor Pump Station
David Bazylak City of Destin, Florida
The answer...Not much! This project IMHO would not do what we need. The Destin harbor project is 220 acres.... To do this on any scale in our area would be very pricey. I see right thru the "pitch" since it is focused around Bethel creek... A high dollar area that is a backwater....This might provide some benefit to an isolated core of waterfront property owners...but VERY little to the system overall.
Both Pete and I spoke at the Q & A at the end
Anyway, Thanks go to Tim Zorc for spearheading this. We are moving forward...
Pete...add any more stuff you think is important.
There are many roads to travel
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
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How did they say the pump station would work? Would they have to use an underground infrastructure to get it across the river?
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if Im not mistaken, their technology is similar to that of an algae turf scrubber. reaching back to my comparison of the lagoon system to a marine aquarium, ATS systems are very popular in today's marine aquarium industry for nutrient removal. The biomass created is generally tossed, given to a friend to jump start their own ATS, or fed to the livestock in the tank.
I've often wondered if any of these systems had been implemented along the lagoon/st johns for nutrient removal. the ability to use the algae byproduct as a renewable energy source or recycle it as an organic fertilizer on commercial farm land makes me think its a no brainer, but maybe that's exactly the issue. it makes too much sense.
THIS...Was by far the best presentation with the most promise for a fast start that can provide measurable results. It is a private company... I suggest you look at their website...This, along with the needed infrastructure (sewer) would have a positive impact in both short and long term.
^^^^
This seems like what we use in the saltwater aquarium community called an algae turf scrubber . I haven't thought about it being used in such a large scale. We use them to remove nitrate/phosphate in the water.
The Osprey Marsh project which was covered by Vincent Burke is an Algae scrubbing system. It is working...but is just not big enough even for the limited flow of the S. Relief canal.
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
looks like we were on the same page lol
they've actually been implemented in large scale applications before, even going back some 20+ years. there's a few videos on youtube and some articles/journals about their use in California and a few other places.
duckmanjr, yeah I noticed their site didn't have much info on the technology itself. if he's developed a more efficient method of scrubbing, it should be worth considering (also think the aquarium industry would be willing to listen lol)
My best guess on funding would be a wide co-operative of both Local, State, Federal and probably the establishment of a taxing district covering the 5 county area. No different than the Water Mgmnt districts really..... tax those who are inside the effected area since they garner the most overall benefit.
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
They are also the biggest contributors i.e. fertilizer and septic runoff. Honestly I would not upset if the salt water license went up $1.00 or 2.00 for a finite amount of time and the proceeds went directly to the lagoon restoration system. Nothing wrong with my money going to where my line is.
If you lived in Pensacola...you might find it objectionable...
a local district is the answer.
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Well i can definitely claim ignorance as to what the license I pay for goes to now anyway. You would think it went to pay for these projects and for FWC officers, but I really do not know.
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http://www.floridatoday.com/videos/news/local/environment/lagoon/2016/03/30/82421882/
I disagree just because I know most lawn and ornamental companies still use a granular fertilizer twice a year. The rest of the time they spray iron and Bifenthrin, then do a walk through with a backpack full of herbacide.
Most L&O companies also do granular fertilizer for shrubs and ornamental foliage as well as spraying horticulture oil twice a year too. Big business to be made from landscaping chemicals.
I too would not flinch at a raise in the salt water license!!
Saw that on tv other night... very informative, but did not give me the impression any change will be noticed for WAY too long...
To his credit, he did stress the amount of sludge/muck is a way bigger factor than anyone else is mentioning (giant factor in my book, maybe #1)
He totally skirted the argument about opening the lockes at CAN.
Kept talking about only having natural inlets when the subject of an inlet between Seb and Ponce.
We all know 1:Sebastian was cut by man (seems pretty stable there) 2:There used to be a natural inlet near 5th st CCB (why not restore it) 3:The cruise industry wants the lockes left closed so they don't have the expense of periodically dredging the channel.(usually $$ is the main reason)
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
Sorry Duck... methinks I fixed it for you!:wink Wishful thinking, I know. Methinks it might have been your suggestion earlier in this thread. Thank you and Palm Beach Pete for getting out there, and bringing it all succinctly back to us! I for one, appreciate it!
- Martin Caidin
...however, the only way to "start" a fix.... is to begin.
- Martin Caidin
We agree...
Even with the great wall of China....Somebody had to throw down the first brick..... It will get great in time.
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
This would be a great first step for Florida but it could take decades before it makes a difference as homes are sold and septic systems upgraded or replaced.
Big question is if it makes sense to stick around long enough and wait for the the needed changes to take place and improve water quality.
I'll let you know as soon as I get my new place George.....
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
People screamed.
Yet, the overall cost wasn't any more than the usual homeowner on city sewer was paying which is twice the usual water bill....in most municipalities the monthly cost to treat sewage is twice the water bill.
After the fish kill in late March, I started doing some internet research on the subject... I stumbled upon a fish kill in 1982 in the Lower St John's river. It was an article in Florida Today. It was attributed to a single farmer in Southern Central Florida, who simply "closed a gate" on his property to divert some of the river to water his land.... and in doing so, stranded part of the river during drought killing the fish.... I found it interesting, a bill was quickly passed to wrestle control of that gate away from him to whomever....
Then I stumbled upon something quite beyond my comprehension.... the amount of gates, dikes, levees that the US Army Corps of Engineers controls is staggering....simply staggering. There's websites where you can actually monitor them! When they're open/closed, and even flow rates, and graphs...
- Martin Caidin
"Zebra mussels are filter feeders having both inhalant and exhalant siphons. They are capable of filtering about one liter of water per day while feeding primarily on algae."
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Yes...Invasives but they may have saved the Great lakes....
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you