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grouper.comgrouper.com Posts: 71 Greenhorn
This is an excerpt from NOAA Fisheries Strategic Plan, page 11, (http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/…/final_strategic_plan_october_20…):

"Key fisheries in the Southeast Region have rebuilt in recent years (e.g., black sea bass and red grouper in the South Atlantic and gag grouper in the Gulf of Mexico) or are transitioning from overfished to rebuilt status (e.g., red porgy and snowy grouper in the South Atlantic and red snapper in the Gulf of Mexico). Understandably, many of the fishermen who sacrificed to help make these conservation achievements possible expect to be rewarded with increased fishing and business opportunities."
Here is the letdown:

"There is a need to consider new regulatory tools and approaches that can increase the benefits fishermen receive from these fisheries (e.g., enhance fishing opportunities, streamline reporting processes, simplify regulations), and support new entry into limited access fisheries where appropriate, while maintaining hard-earned conservation gains and protections for fisheries, marine mammals and listed species."
NOAA admits it is stealing "recovery benefits" for a select few.

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  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Craig
    Can anything be done about this massive theft from the many for the benefit of a select few?
    Thanks
    Tom
  • grouper.comgrouper.com Posts: 71 Greenhorn
    Inspector General and lawsuits


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  • grouper.comgrouper.com Posts: 71 Greenhorn
    The Gulf states can force the issue by opening year round and killing the federal for hire sector


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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,864 AG
    I think y'all need some new tinfoil hats.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 607 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    I think y'all need some new tinfoil hats.

    There aren't any more tin foil hats, you and your ilk are wearing all of them.

    The NMFS plan since the get go was to rebuild on the backs of the recs and then steal the gains for unscrupulous robber barons.

    AN ARTICLE IN JADA (JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION) IN 2001 HAS THE ADMISSION THAT FLUORIDE SWALLOWED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE TEETH IS "INSUFFICIENT TO HAVE A MEASURABLE EFFECT" ON REDUCING CAVITIES."

    THE NOW CORRUPTED MEDIA MANIPULATES BY USING ORWELLIAN NEWSPEAK. In Orwell's words, Newspeak was "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak seeks to eliminate or alter certain words that do not fit the media's ideological agenda. In Orwell's novel 1984 Newspeak is a way of controlling the people's language in order to keep the peons under ideological control.Newspeak is deceptive and deceitful as it stifles free speech and only allows only certain approved words, phrases and ideas to be used while other words are forbidden.

    Fauci's "Gain of Function" is newspeak for enhancing the contagiousness of a virus for use as a biological weapon in war. It was dumb, stupid and a threat to national security for the US  government with Fauci's blessing to help fund biological weapons enhancement in an arch enemy's country.  When Fauci used and pushed the euphemistic misnomer deceptive term "gain of function" the con was on.

    "Gain of Function" newspeak for "Viral Biological Warfare Weapons Enhancement".

    "Undocumented Immigrant" newspeak for "illegal alien".

    "Progressive" newspeak for "Marxist".

    "Dreamers" newspeak for "illegal aliens".

    "Immigration Reform" newspeak for "illegal alien amnesty".

    "Xenophobia" newspeak for those that want border security.

    "Gun control" newspeak for "confiscate your guns".

    "Pro-choice" newspeak for "pro-abortion".

    "Math is racist" newspeak for "we are too lazy to learn math".

    "Critical Race Theory" newspeak for "Reverse Discrimination Marxism".

    When a snake oil salesman knows that the snake oil does not sell with the accurate name he simply changes the name to the NEWSPEAK euphemistic misnomer "Magic Medicinal Elixir" to sell his misrepresented product otherwise not sellable.



  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,864 AG
    There aren't any more tin foil hats, you and your ilk are wearing all of them.

    The NMFS plan since the get go was to rebuild on the backs of the recs and then steal the gains for unscrupulous robber barons.

    Have you seen the written plan for that, or is this merely your opinion?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • grouper.comgrouper.com Posts: 71 Greenhorn
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Have you seen the written plan for that, or is this merely your opinion?

    I quoted the Plan.


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  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    http://us3.campaign-archive1.com/?u=c7a0a42d1e1fd1260ae20f598&id=15545ec56b&e=adf1005058

    March 23, 2016 -- This week, catch share management has come under fire on both the East and West Coasts, as articles in the New Bedford Standard-Times and Seafood News criticize key facets of regional catch share programs.

    In New England, Massachusetts State Rep. Bill Straus writes about the side-effects of implementing catch shares in the New England groundfish fishery, calling the subsequent fleet consolidation "a government-created near monopoly."

    In Sacramento, Seafood News details how low quotas for critical "choke species" are preventing some boats from fishing for the entirety of 2016.

    For nearly a decade, the Environmental Defense Fund’s ocean policy has been “to ensure that the world’s fisheries are restored back to health through the advancement and implementation of a transformational fisheries management approach known as catch shares.” In May 2009, while serving as Administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Dr. Jane Lubchenco, the vice-chair of EDF’s board of trustees, enacted a national policy encouraging the consideration and use of catch shares. Regarding its trustees, EDF notes on its website that “Fortune magazine called them one the most influential boards in the country.”

    Excerpts from the two articles are provided below:

    State Rep. Bill Straus: Impact of the Federal Fisheries Arrests in New Bedford

    No one who supported the catch shares idea in 2009 can honestly say this concentration and its results are a surprise. The statements challenging this bad idea back then came locally from Dr. Brian Rothschild at UMass Dartmouth and many others; I added a cautionary word as well on the pages of this newspaper on June 24, 2009. It is frankly depressing to re-read this portion of what I said then about the coming catch shares program:

    "Amendment 16 will send many fishermen and smaller ports to the sidelines; in other words, they will lose their jobs. There will be winners and losers, and the advocates of Amendment 16 have done little or nothing to point out that the system that is chosen for allocating catch shares will determine who will thrive in the new world of federal regulation and who will be abandoned.

    "Amendment 16 will result in a concentration within the fleets of all ports; to think otherwise would be naive."

    In the coming weeks and months, more information on the way the industry runs will no doubt come to light and whether, as I believe, the catch shares system played a role in allowing the port economy to shift as it has. A discussion needs to start and soon for two reasons. First, the federal government at some point will no doubt have to consider whether serious permit holder violations have occurred such that revocation and some new system of permit availability for groundfish participants should be created. That is a major question, and it's never too soon to get going on whether catch shares' day (if there ever should have been one) has come and gone.

    West Coast Catch Share Program Failure Keeps Vessel Off Fishing Grounds For 2016

    Criticism that the West Coast catch shares program is underperforming came to the forefront recently at the Pacific Fishery Management Council meeting in Sacramento.

    West Coast trawlers have been operating in fear of a “disaster tow” or “lightning strike” of a choke species since the beginning of the individual quota program in 2011. And for the F/V Seeker, a disaster tow of 47,000 pounds of canary rockfish – a species at the time listed as overfished — in November 2015 will prevent it from fishing for all of 2016.

    The Seeker’s misfortune is an extreme example of the program’s failure, particularly for those fishing in the non-whiting sector.

    Jeff Lackey, who manages the vessel, testified to the PFMC the vessel is in a bind and already has made plans to fish in Alaska for most of 2016 and return to fishing off the West Coast in 2017. The Seeker fishes in both the non-whiting shoreside sector and in the whiting mothership sector.

    The Seeker is a victim of several features of the current regulatory system in the West Coast individual quota program.

    First, current vessel limits prohibit the Seeker from acquiring enough quota to solve its deficit.

    Second, canary rockfish was listed as overfished for more than a decade but an assessment accepted by the council in 2015 shows canary rockfish has been rebuilt.

    And third, the PFMC’s management process operates on a two-year cycle, with no way to change annual catch limits (ACLs) mid-cycle.

    “[The F/V Seeker] is not the only one,” Pete Leipzig, director of the Fishermen’s Marketing Association, told the Council. Other trawlers have come up against vessel limits for other species that have prevented them from fishing for some time, but none have been confronted with the extremity of the Seeker’s situation.

    The vessel limits were designed to prevent consolidation of the fleet. Bycatch of choke species have prevented many vessels from capturing target fish. Fear of a disaster tow — one so extreme that a quota pound deficit cannot be covered in the existing fishing year — has limited trading of quota as fishermen hoard these species to cover their fishing operations for the year.

    The Seeker is a member of the Newport, OR based Midwater Trawlers Cooperative. The organization proposed a solution to the Seeker’s problem: use an alternative compliance option that was eliminated during the development of the catch shares program. It would have been available for overly restrictive events, such as the Seeker’s, but still hold fishermen accountable. The council opted not to move forward with examining that option at this time.

    This is the new reality of the West Coast individual quota program: rebuilding species will be encountered more frequently and fishermen could be held to conservative annual catch limits for a year or more if they experience an infrequent disaster tow and have insufficient quota to cover their deficit.

    “As the regulations are currently written, any vessel that experiences the same situation would likely have to sit out of the shoreside trawl program for several years … This seems overly punitive and raises equity concerns,” Heather Mann, executive director of the MTC, wrote in a public comment letter to the council.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,864 AG
    I quoted the Plan.


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    your link was a page not found, here is your link http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/%E2%80%A6/final_strategic_plan_october_20%E2%80%A6):.


    The letdown is your opinion only, which is suspect.

    Eh?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Art,
    Even though NOAA looks to have removed the link, Craig has provided the direct quote in his post - not his opinion.

    Interesting that they would find it necessary to remove the link.

    Eh?
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,864 AG
    Just curious, where in this paragraph does the implication of stealing come into play?


    "There is a need to consider new regulatory tools and approaches that can increase the benefits fishermen receive from these fisheries (e.g., enhance fishing opportunities, streamline reporting processes, simplify regulations), and support new entry into limited access fisheries where appropriate, while maintaining hard-earned conservation gains and protections for fisheries, marine mammals and listed species."
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Just curious, where in this paragraph does the implication of stealing come into play?


    "There is a need to consider new regulatory tools and approaches that can increase the benefits fishermen receive from these fisheries (e.g., enhance fishing opportunities, streamline reporting processes, simplify regulations), and support new entry into limited access fisheries where appropriate, while maintaining hard-earned conservation gains and protections for fisheries, marine mammals and listed species."

    A#1, I kinda wondered the same thing. It says "enhance fishing opportunities", "support new entry into (existing) limited access fisheries". I don't see where it says "steal from private anglers", in fact, it says enhance fishing opportunities.

    I guess if you want to read doom and gloom into a policy statement (which is normally a positive fluffy puffy pie-in-the-sky statement), you are free to do so. But, normally, I've found strategic plans/policy statements are so generic they are really useless for anything pragmatic.

    Oh........ and just because the link changed....... sheesh, guys...... can't you go back to the home page and track a link?

    http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/news_room/press_releases/2015/09_se_region_strategic_plan.html
  • grouper.comgrouper.com Posts: 71 Greenhorn
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Just curious, where in this paragraph does the implication of stealing come into play?


    "There is a need to consider new regulatory tools and approaches that can increase the benefits fishermen receive from these fisheries (e.g., enhance fishing opportunities, streamline reporting processes, simplify regulations), and support new entry into limited access fisheries where appropriate, while maintaining hard-earned conservation gains and protections for fisheries, marine mammals and listed species."

    1. NOAA is not enhancing private angler "fishing opportunities" for Red Snapper;
    2. NOAA is not streamlining "reporting processes" for the private angler;
    3. The private angler is not getting any benefits from "limited access fisheries."
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