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Bird ID: Juvi Red Throated Loon?

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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    Red-throated, yes. Juvi, no. Adult non-breeding plumage. Many in the estuary waters around Jacksonville.

    I used Pranty/Rademaker/Kennedy, "Birds of Florida" for a reference. Good book.
  • ChuckcChuckc Posts: 4,398 Captain
    Thanks and thanks for the tip on the book.
  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,222 Captain
    Chuck....

    I'm going to go with the common loon...
    the image that you shot in winter colors does not have the dominate speckles on the back that a red throat does....
    there is also the color on the end of the beak that a red throat has and a common does not...
    also the markings on the throat and head are different than a red in winter plumage....

    it really is a tough call but right off the speckles on the back of a red throat has, your image is lacking...

    I used google and put your pix beside a common in winter...
    very different...

    tim
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  • ScoutboatScoutboat Posts: 2,418 Captain
    Looks like a common loon in winter plumage.
    Jim
  • ChuckcChuckc Posts: 4,398 Captain
    Tough to tell the two apart isn't it? A case could be made for both.
  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    I will bite. The beak color is incorrect for a Common Loon and is identical for the Red-throated Loon. At lease in the two books, I am looking at. The second book I am referencing is Sibley.
  • ChuckcChuckc Posts: 4,398 Captain
    That was my initial take as well but searching the google images makes me less certain. It was a first time observation for me regardless.
  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,222 Captain
    red throated loon in winter plumage...
    notice color at front of beak that isn't present in a common loon...
    also look at the back of the loon and the pronounced speckles.....
    the cap makings are similar, yet more pronounced on the red throat...

    Red-throated20Loon208878.jpg

    tim
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