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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,731 AG
    kellercl wrote: »
    I'm not convinced being able to use a search engine is a proper substitute for a true educational experience. If it is all the same to you I would rather engage in public discourse with those knowledgeable on the subject matter.
    Start here: http://myfwc.com/research/saltwater/stock-assessments/finfish/snook/, maybe even download the complete file and read, then maybe you can come back and play with the big boys.

    You youngsters just want everything handed to you on a silver platter.:grin
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,731 AG
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »

    You youngsters just want everything handed to you on a silver platter.:grin
    That or you're just a troll.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    You had already made that quite obvious in your prior posts.:rolleyes

    With "discourse" being the key word, of course.:grin

    I'm not sure I follow. I'm trying to learn more about a hobby in which we all supposedly love. So far I've been called a liar (my "story" was called "bs") , youngster and now you seem to be implying something. Frankly I'm baffled, I'm not quite sure where those feathers got ruffled. Perhaps this isn't the website I had hoped it would be.

    Either way thanks to ANUMBER for the link. I'll give it a read and just keep future questions to myself.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • CountryBumpkinCountryBumpkin Fla. Piney WoodsPosts: 1,892 Captain
    kellercl wrote: »
    I'm not sure I follow. Frankly I'm baffled, I'm not quite sure where those feathers got ruffled.

    Just for the sake of "discourse", in an average calendar year, how many days do you fish and bring home your 1 fish limit?

    It is OK to answer with a "educated guess" if you don't know the actual number of times.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    Just for the sake of "discourse", in an average calendar year, how many days do you fish and bring home your 1 fish limit?

    It is OK to answer with a "educated guess" if you don't know the actual number of times.

    21 days a year is how often I am on the water. My family owns a house on the water with a boat. I pretty much spend all my vacation down there within a calendar year. Next year (2017) I get an extra week of vacation so that 21 will be increased to 28.

    As for the 1 fish limit, depends really. Some weeks snook seem to be everywhere, others trout are. Between trout, reds, pompano, spanish, mangroves, blacks and snook; we provide dinner everyday we go out. Though I'm not sure if I am answering your question. My apologies if I am not.

    More specifically we have been loading the boat up with trout. The upper Charlotte Harbor in 2015 was trout heaven. I'm hopeful next year or in 2018 I will be buying my own boat and keeping it dry docked in the area. Currently I am undecided between going skinny water via Carolina Skiff or going with a Skeeter/Pathfinder Bay. Tough decision, both have things going for them.

    Regardless I'm not sure why people are taking issue with me attempting to educate myself. I thought the purpose of this site was to share knowledge.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • toomertoomer Posts: 348 Deckhand
    kellercl wrote: »
    21 days a year is how often I am on the water. My family owns a house on the water with a boat. I pretty much spend all my vacation down there within a calendar year. Next year (2017) I get an extra week of vacation so that 21 will be increased to 28.

    As for the 1 fish limit, depends really. Some weeks snook seem to be everywhere, others trout are. Between trout, reds, pompano, spanish, mangroves, blacks and snook; we provide dinner everyday we go out. Though I'm not sure if I am answering your question. My apologies if I am not.

    More specifically we have been loading the boat up with trout. The upper Charlotte Harbor in 2015 was trout heaven. I'm hopeful next year or in 2018 I will be buying my own boat and keeping it dry docked in the area. Currently I am undecided between going skinny water via Carolina Skiff or going with a Skeeter/Pathfinder Bay. Tough decision, both have things going for them.

    Regardless I'm not sure why people are taking issue with me attempting to educate myself. I thought the purpose of this site was to share knowledge.

    **** right it is a place to educate. Happens, tho, that when you post here you become part of a community that has several strong interest groups represented. Some of these folks have a long and somewhat contentious history, and they are quick to shoot arrows at one another. It can seem to an infrequent poster that he is being treated disrespectfully when responded to. Probably everyone on here one-to-one is a gentleman or lady, but they can come across harsh and play too hard sometime.

    Still, if you hang with it you will learn so much. If that's what you are after, don't sweat the insults and slights. I speak as one with no axe to grind one way or another. This last post was a good post because it helped define who you are and where you are coming from. I, for one, eenvy your time and resources to enjoy a wonderful place.
  • CountryBumpkinCountryBumpkin Fla. Piney WoodsPosts: 1,892 Captain
    kellercl wrote: »
    One per person is plenty. 2 snook per person, regardless of the population health is too much.

    Anybody who thinks snook should be catch and release is out of their mind.
    kellercl wrote: »
    Does having a MS degree and over a decade's worth of experience as a scientist ease your mind?
    kellercl wrote: »
    Two snook per person is over kill.
    kellercl wrote: »
    Regardless I'm not sure why people are taking issue with me attempting to educate myself. I thought the purpose of this site was to share knowledge.

    Sounded to me like you were trying to educate us:huh

    And impress us with your "scientific understanding".:grin

    I asked how often you fished because some of the guys who are blatant about never returning to a 2 fish per day limit are out fishing 2 or 3 times a week and keeping dozens of fish per year.

    But they talk all "holier than thou" to a man who might get to go 2 or 3 times a year and would like to keep 2 fish on a day he was lucky enough to catch them.:nono
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,731 AG
    Sounded to me like you were trying to educate us:huh

    And impress us with your "scientific understanding".:grin

    I asked how often you fished because some of the guys who are blatant about never returning to a 2 fish per day limit are out fishing 2 or 3 times a week and keeping dozens of fish per year.

    But they talk all "holier than thou" to a man who might get to go 2 or 3 times a year and would like to keep 2 fish on a day he was lucky enough to catch them.:nono
    Hell is freezing over, I agree with you..

    More than you think sometimes:grin
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • CountryBumpkinCountryBumpkin Fla. Piney WoodsPosts: 1,892 Captain
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    More than you think sometimes:grin

    I don't own no white boots...........but I have been known to drink a "natty light":wink...:rotflmao
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    Sounded to me like you were trying to educate us:huh

    And impress us with your "scientific understanding".:grin

    I asked how often you fished because some of the guys who are blatant about never returning to a 2 fish per day limit are out fishing 2 or 3 times a week and keeping dozens of fish per year.

    But they talk all "holier than thou" to a man who might get to go 2 or 3 times a year and would like to keep 2 fish on a day he was lucky enough to catch them.:nono

    Certainly I believe education is a two way street. There is no doubt that I have valuable information on particular aspects of a conversation, while I'm ignorant on other details. I see no reason why I can't learn certain information while simultaneously offering up my knowledge. Again, I'm baffled by the ruffled feathers but have also grown tired of this back and forth silliness. I see no reason to continue on this particular discourse.

    As for snook, I keep 3-5 a year. I catch far more keeper trout than snook.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    toomer wrote: »
    **** right it is a place to educate. Happens, tho, that when you post here you become part of a community that has several strong interest groups represented. Some of these folks have a long and somewhat contentious history, and they are quick to shoot arrows at one another. It can seem to an infrequent poster that he is being treated disrespectfully when responded to. Probably everyone on here one-to-one is a gentleman or lady, but they can come across harsh and play too hard sometime.

    Still, if you hang with it you will learn so much. If that's what you are after, don't sweat the insults and slights. I speak as one with no axe to grind one way or another. This last post was a good post because it helped define who you are and where you are coming from. I, for one, eenvy your time and resources to enjoy a wonderful place.


    Thank you for the kind words. I most definitely plan on hanging around. I'm firm believer in learning from others. I've learned more from talking to folks at a local marina than I could have learned from books and articles. Thanks again for the post, it is most appreciated.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • mannn123mannn123 Posts: 137 Deckhand
    kellercl wrote: »
    Certainly I believe education is a two way street. There is no doubt that I have valuable information on particular aspects of a conversation, while I'm ignorant on other details. I see no reason why I can't learn certain information while simultaneously offering up my knowledge. Again, I'm baffled by the ruffled feathers but have also grown tired of this back and forth silliness. I see no reason to continue on this particular discourse.

    As for snook, I keep 3-5 a year. I catch far more keeper trout than snook.

    Out of curiosity, how many people in your family does a 20 inch trout feed?

    I agree with the prior posts of others about access. When you are lucky enough to be on the water regularly, one fish pp is not a problem. When you are not able to get on the water too often, one fish seems a little unfair (particularly when the population can support it). Its all about perspective. If it were up to just me, all of the "catch and release only" proponents would not be hammering the breeders on the beaches in the summer. However, I recognize that others have different perspectives on how a fishery should be utilized and try to restrain myself from telling others what they should or should not do, so long as the fishery can support it.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    mannn123 wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, how many people in your family does a 20 inch trout feed?

    I agree with the prior posts of others about access. When you are lucky enough to be on the water regularly, one fish pp is not a problem. When you are not able to get on the water too often, one fish seems a little unfair (particularly when the population can support it). Its all about perspective. If it were up to just me, all of the "catch and release only" proponents would not be hammering the breeders on the beaches in the summer. However, I recognize that others have different perspectives on how a fishery should be utilized and try to restrain myself from telling others what they should or should not do, so long as the fishery can support it.

    I'd ball park 1 trout per person. Maybe 1 trout can feed 1.5 people. Trout, at least the ones I have caught, aren't remotely as thick as snook. They also aren't near as wide. Trout, IMHO, don't fillet out that great. If I were feeding 5 people (adults) I would want a minimum of 4 trout, 5 would be a safe bet.

    "If it were up to just me, all of the "catch and release only" proponents would not be hammering the breeders on the beaches in the summer."

    Agreed. Snook, even with catch and release, should be avoided in the summers. Let them breed. I particular hate seeing some dude catch a snook in the summer and keep it out of the water for 10 minutes because he doesn't know what he is doing.

    As for two per person, I'd have to defer to the experts. If the population can handle it sure, but I am not convinced it can. I could be wrong though.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,521 AG
    Our decisions on slot size are luckily not based on anecdotal observation, gut feelings, or any such nonsense. They are based on years and years of rigorous scientific data collection, analysis, and predictive modeling. Our work goes through the peer review process and publication.

    Would have been nice if the FWC had done this ^ before their knee jerk reaction from a few guides to reducing redfish limits on the NW sector. Please pass that along.
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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,731 AG
    FWCSnook wrote: »
    A few points:

    If you missed the presentations, they should be on myfwc.com somewhere.

    The Atlantic is actually at 39% SPR, and by opening your slot size/season/bag limit, it will immediately go down. Not so good.

    99% of the small snook are males. For the most part, they transition somewhere in the slot.

    Yes, you will likely catch several snook before you catch a slot. That's the way it is.

    Our decisions on slot size are luckily not based on anecdotal observation, gut feelings, or any such nonsense. They are based on years and years of rigorous scientific data collection, analysis, and predictive modeling. Our work goes through the peer review process and publication.

    I am a field biologist, not a manager, but most of us are fishermen as well.

    Any other questions?
    So the 2010 closure wasn't a kneejerk reaction?

    Sure.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    "So the 2010 closure wasn't a kneejerk reaction?"

    Nope. In 2010 compared to today... the snook population has exploded. I'd say the FWC did a great job at protecting and letting the snook population recover. Snook back in 2010 without a doubt were limited in numbers, not so much anymore.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,521 AG
    kellercl wrote: »
    "So the 2010 closure wasn't a kneejerk reaction?"

    Nope. In 2010 compared to today... the snook population has exploded. I'd say the FWC did a great job at protecting and letting the snook population recover. Snook back in 2010 without a doubt were limited in numbers, not so much anymore.

    When's the last year when we've had a brutal winter in Florida? 2010 or 11? Snook have started showing up in numbers all the way to the Georgia border. Not sure where you live, but I've never even hooked one until last year in north FL. Now they are a common occurrence compared to say 20 years ago. Somehow I don't think that has a **** thing to do with numbers in north FL. Hopefully the FWC did a better job of monitoring snook populations than they did with the redfish. :kick

    I should add..........a better job of MANAGING a resource based on their science. They screwed the pooch big time in the NW sector in June. It's a travesty, and a joke. Suddenly they don't believe in their own science? :Spittingcoffee
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,731 AG
    kellercl wrote: »
    "So the 2010 closure wasn't a kneejerk reaction?"

    Nope. In 2010 compared to today... the snook population has exploded. I'd say the FWC did a great job at protecting and letting the snook population recover. Snook back in 2010 without a doubt were limited in numbers, not so much anymore.
    2010 was a kneejerk reaction IMO, please post links showing the limited #'s..

    TYVM
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    2010 was a kneejerk reaction IMO, please post links showing the limited #'s..

    TYVM

    It is pretty much common sense the snook population has exploded in the last couple of years. But hey, not everybody has said attribute. I'm pleased with what has occurred with the snook population, current numbers are looking great.

    http://www.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/floridas-snook-population-appears-to-make-strong-comeback-20151214/

    My personal experience mirrors that of the article. In 2011 compared to this year, night and day. Heck I caught some nice snook this year when I wasn't even targeting them.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • jetty bugjetty bug Posts: 5 Greenhorn
    kellercl wrote: »
    9 females and 1 male.. results in 9 pregnant fish.

    I'm no biologist myself, however, I do believe that spawning and getting pregnant are very different. Chances seem slim that one male snook can effectively fertilize the eggs of nine female snook especially within say the current of an inlet.
  • jetty bugjetty bug Posts: 5 Greenhorn
    lemaymiami wrote: »
    Here's a point that most haven't considered in the management of the snook population here in paradise..... You can bet your first born that we'll get more cold kills (usually every seven to ten years - just like clockwork) down through the years -and every time the worst results will be seen at the northern end of the snook's range... This is just one more factor to be considered by managers as they try to maintain a healthy population for what might be one of the most sought after fish inshore in Florida...

    Another factor to be considered isn't the snook at all -it's the goliath grouper (all right the jewfish for all of you politically in-correct old timers...). Big goliaths eat snook..... small to medium sized ones simply displace them (can't remember how many spots for snook are goliath spots now -and you won't see another snook there unless the goliaths move on... -or themselves, get cold killed off the way they did four years ago down in my areas, the 'Glades.....). Now that we're up to our waist (I'm being polite - or trying to be....) in goliaths, it's high time they were removed from protection (but never to become a commercial fish again -not ever...). The snook population would greatly benefit in my opinion....

    Lastly as you read through all the posts in this thread you'll note a lot of strong opinions about snook management - some are kind of selfish in my view. Everyone ought to re-read my first post on this topic (post #4) and review what I said about politics. That's still the greatest danger to reasonable management that I see. On more than one occasion the FWC has disregarded their own researchers on one decision or other about other issues -it's human nature, I'm afraid. That's not the way to go in my opinion....

    L

    I agree with the goliaths being an issue. I have been saying the same for years with other grouper species and snappers being the hardest hit in particular.
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,521 AG
    FWCSnook wrote: »
    A few points:



    Our decisions on slot size are luckily not based on anecdotal observation, gut feelings, or any such nonsense. They are based on years and years of rigorous scientific data collection, analysis, and predictive modeling. Our work goes through the peer review process and publication.

    I am a field biologist, not a manager, but most of us are fishermen as well.

    Any other questions?

    Yeah, the original ones. **** science was the basis of the screwing of Big Bend fishermen in June for bag limits for red drum? Purely anecdotal evidence from a couple of counties suffering from water being diverted in GA from Appalachicola? We still haven't heard chit from you regarding this matter Mr Science. My old man always said a meterologist should be required to have windows in their control rooms. That way they know if it's either raining or someone pizzing down their leg.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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