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  • pbsnookerpbsnooker Posts: 882 Officer
    Definitely should widen the slot a couple inches each way, and 2 per person. At least on the east coast. Don't care about what some biologist says. If someone thinks there's a problem with the snook population, they have no clue about the fishery. Maybe he needs to put on a mask and snorkel and do a snook count. And it's funny, I know guides that think snook should be catch and release only, but they'll take several hundred dollars from a client and sit in the inlets catching breeders all summer long. The snook fishery can withstand more recreational harvest!!!!! And You don't need no degree or be on some fwc snook committee to figure that that!
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    pbsnooker wrote: »
    Definitely should widen the slot a couple inches each way, and 2 per person. At least on the east coast. Don't care about what some biologist says. If someone thinks there's a problem with the snook population, they have no clue about the fishery. Maybe he needs to put on a mask and snorkel and do a snook count. And it's funny, I know guides that think snook should be catch and release only, but they'll take several hundred dollars from a client and sit in the inlets catching breeders all summer long. The snook fishery can withstand more recreational harvest!!!!! And You don't need no degree or be on some fwc snook committee to figure that that!

    I have to disagree on two points:

    1) One per person is plenty. A slot snook feeds 6-8 people. People, IMHO, shouldn't be keeping more than they can eat. 2 snook per person, regardless of the population health is too much. Especially when many people are fishing with friends. Two people absolutely don't need to be keeping four 30 inch snook, 120 inches of snook in a single day... just no. Christ that would feed roughly 24+ people.

    2) The slot absolutely should not be moved up from 33 inches. All large snook are female, their gender changes as they grow. The larger the fish the more eggs it can carry. Large females need to be protected. If anything we could move the slot lower to 24 inches. But moving it up is a bad, bad idea IMHO. The health of any animal population is driven more by females than males. 9 males and 1 female results in 1 pregnant fish. 9 females and 1 male.. results in 9 pregnant fish.

    I agree that the population is recovering, there is no doubt in my mind that is true. I am all for going 24 to 33 inch, one per person. The season should also stay in affect, spawning season is an important time of the year and fish should be left alone. As for the Captains who want it to be catch and release only. I get their point, they make money from being able to catch them easily, however that is BS for the rest of us. Snook is easily healthy enough for people to keep some here and there. Anybody who thinks snook should be catch and release is out of their mind.
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  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 605 Officer
    "Yes, the (2010) freeze did kill some fish (snook) but did not hurt the fishery."

    "did kill some fish"? The 2010 freeze devastated the west coat snook population and to say the 2010 freeze did not hurt the west coast snook fishery at that time is false fantasy.

    In an article back in late summer of 2013 Ron Taylor was quoted as saying:

    "They're (snook) not at the abundance level they were in 2009 but they are approaching that."

    That was BS, in 2013 the Snook population on the west coast of Florida was not even close to approaching the abundance level of 2009 an in fact would be biologically impossible for it to have recovered almost back to pre 2009 levels as Ron Taylor erroneously claims.

    At that time in the late summer of 2013 the FWC's own age and growth studies contradicted Ron Taylor's false statement that in 2013 the level of snook were approaching 2009 levels which would be biologically impossible.

    In the same article Ron Taylor tried to legitimize and provide specious reasons as to why the west coast snook season should open when he made this statement:

    "“We have not been able to collect carcasses from anglers on the west coast for 3 years."

    Collecting snook carcasses from a west coast snook population not yet in 2013 sufficiently recovered is not good reason to open the still not fully recovered snook population so anglers can provide carcasses.

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  • flsnookhunterflsnookhunter Posts: 196 Deckhand
    Great Discussion, cant wait to see what happens over the next few years. As long as social media doesnt destroy every snook fishing spot then the amount of snook should be healthy
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    Great Discussion, cant wait to see what happens over the next few years. As long as social media doesnt destroy every snook fishing spot then the amount of snook should be healthy

    Can you expand your social media comment. I didn't follow, my apologies.
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  • flsnookhunterflsnookhunter Posts: 196 Deckhand
    I am 26 years old and absolutely loved snook fishing since i was 9 or 10 and caught my first one. I live in south FL and 5 or 6 years ago before Instagram and Facebook I had some snook spots that were easily accessible and I would MAYBE see 1 person fishing there every now and then. Over the last year or two these spots have went from 1 or 2 fisherman to 10 or 12 . And many times I will go onto instagram and see photos of guys(kids) at these spots and often with dead snook(maybe slots,maybe not).
    I understand its great to see more fisherman having fun and catching these Snook but all the hard work and dedication that true snook fisherman put into it I feel is slowly being taken over.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    I am 26 years old and absolutely loved snook fishing since i was 9 or 10 and caught my first one. I live in south FL and 5 or 6 years ago before Instagram and Facebook I had some snook spots that were easily accessible and I would MAYBE see 1 person fishing there every now and then. Over the last year or two these spots have went from 1 or 2 fisherman to 10 or 12 . And many times I will go onto instagram and see photos of guys(kids) at these spots and often with dead snook(maybe slots,maybe not).
    I understand its great to see more fisherman having fun and catching these Snook but all the hard work and dedication that true snook fisherman put into it I feel is slowly being taken over.

    Lol, yeah I am with you 100%. Unless I have a good amount of faith in a person I don't generally give out too much information on spots and locations. You are right, IMHO, that there are many people who don't know how to fish properly but end up quickly catching fish by utilizing information readily available on the internet. I've seen so many people take a perfectly healthy fish and destroy it by the time it gets back into the water.

    Thanks for the clarification.
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    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,717 AG
    kellercl wrote: »
    The health of any animal population is driven more by females than males.
    .
    link?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    link?

    Does having a MS degree and over a decade's worth of experience as a scientist ease your mind? Meaning I didn't learn this via the internet, I know this from formal scientific training. Just think about it via common sense. A single male can impregnate multiple partners in a short period of time... the reverse isn't true. Females being more important to the health of a population is Biology 101. The only way male and female genders could be equally important to the health of a population is if the species in question mated with one partner for life. This does not apply to snook. Also consider while humans generally have a single child at any given time, that also doesn't apply to snook.

    If we had a contest to see who could breed the most fish in the shortest period of time.. you had 5 fish (4 males, 1 female) and I had 5 fish (4 females and 1 male)... who do you think would win?
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  • linesider 159linesider 159 Posts: 828 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    link?

    Use common sense. 1 guy in a room full of females, 9 months later you have a lot of babies. 1 female room full of guys, 9 months later you have 1 baby
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  • lemaymiamilemaymiami Posts: 4,664 Captain
    Here's a point that most haven't considered in the management of the snook population here in paradise..... You can bet your first born that we'll get more cold kills (usually every seven to ten years - just like clockwork) down through the years -and every time the worst results will be seen at the northern end of the snook's range... This is just one more factor to be considered by managers as they try to maintain a healthy population for what might be one of the most sought after fish inshore in Florida...

    Another factor to be considered isn't the snook at all -it's the goliath grouper (all right the jewfish for all of you politically in-correct old timers...). Big goliaths eat snook..... small to medium sized ones simply displace them (can't remember how many spots for snook are goliath spots now -and you won't see another snook there unless the goliaths move on... -or themselves, get cold killed off the way they did four years ago down in my areas, the 'Glades.....). Now that we're up to our waist (I'm being polite - or trying to be....) in goliaths, it's high time they were removed from protection (but never to become a commercial fish again -not ever...). The snook population would greatly benefit in my opinion....

    Lastly as you read through all the posts in this thread you'll note a lot of strong opinions about snook management - some are kind of selfish in my view. Everyone ought to re-read my first post on this topic (post #4) and review what I said about politics. That's still the greatest danger to reasonable management that I see. On more than one occasion the FWC has disregarded their own researchers on one decision or other about other issues -it's human nature, I'm afraid. That's not the way to go in my opinion....

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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,717 AG
    Use common sense. 1 guy in a room full of females, 9 months later you have a lot of babies. 1 female room full of guys, 9 months later you have 1 baby
    You might have quadruplets to make up for the lack females (nature abhors a vacuum). I think a deer biologist might disagree with you, I know they ain't fish but a broad brush was used with the term "all animals"..

    I'm not a biologist so whatever.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • awatawat Posts: 450 Officer
    It is all about money, not science.
    I attended the symposium in 1996 when the FWC biologists said keeping a trophy fish wasn't a bad thing
    as they were nearing the end of their life cycle and their eggs weren't as viable as the smaller, younger fish.
    For a little while we were allowed to keep 1 larger fish. Then, the guides complained and it was all over.
    That is when I realized that no matter how much they say they want our input their minds are made up
    way before any meeting happens. They only hold the meetings because they are required to by law.
    They don't and won't ever listen to us.
  • snookwhisperersnookwhisperer Posts: 229 Deckhand
    Awat, couldn't agree more. What can you do? With a SPR of 61% it'll be hard to convince me that we must stay with the
    season and limits we still have. We should go back to the old rules, the same ones the east coast has. I'd give up the one inch for
    two and a half months more season, though we should not have to!
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    Awat, couldn't agree more. What can you do? With a SPR of 61% it'll be hard to convince me that we must stay with the
    season and limits we still have. We should go back to the old rules, the same ones the east coast has. I'd give up the one inch for
    two and a half months more season, though we should not have to!

    I gotta disagree big time there. Summer is spawning season... when fish are breeding they should be left alone, IMHO. That would be the last thing we need to interrupt. I do agree there is a money push with Snook regulations. I mean clearly their numbers are improving greatly... but the regs aren't moving at all. I see no reason why the slot can't be 24-34, one per person.
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  • slayerguerraslayerguerra Posts: 16 Greenhorn
    kellercl wrote: »
    I have to disagree on two points:

    1) One per person is plenty. A slot snook feeds 6-8 people. People, IMHO, shouldn't be keeping more than they can eat. 2 snook per person, regardless of the population health is too much. Especially when many people are fishing with friends. Two people absolutely don't need to be keeping four 30 inch snook, 120 inches of snook in a single day... just no. Christ that would feed roughly 24+ people.

    2) The slot absolutely should not be moved up from 33 inches. All large snook are female, their gender changes as they grow. The larger the fish the more eggs it can carry. Large females need to be protected. If anything we could move the slot lower to 24 inches. But moving it up is a bad, bad idea IMHO. The health of any animal population is driven more by females than males. 9 males and 1 female results in 1 pregnant fish. 9 females and 1 male.. results in 9 pregnant fish.

    I agree that the population is recovering, there is no doubt in my mind that is true. I am all for going 24 to 33 inch, one per person. The season should also stay in affect, spawning season is an important time of the year and fish should be left alone. As for the Captains who want it to be catch and release only. I get their point, they make money from being able to catch them easily, however that is BS for the rest of us. Snook is easily healthy enough for people to keep some here and there. Anybody who thinks snook should be catch and release is out of their mind.

    idk what slot snook your catching that feeds 6-8 people lol maybe if each persons stomach was the size of a pea
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    idk what slot snook your catching that feeds 6-8 people lol maybe if each persons stomach was the size of a pea

    The 29 incher I caught a few months ago feed 5 adults without any issue. It could have feed 6. Two snook per person is over kill. There isn't a reason to keep more than one can eat.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,717 AG
    kellercl wrote: »
    The 29 incher I caught a few months ago feed 5 adults without any issue. It could have feed 6. Two snook per person is over kill. There isn't a reason to keep more than one can eat.
    Total bs^^
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Total bs^^

    Nope. The pic is in my profile. It feed me, my wife, sister in law, mother in law and father in law. We baked it with Italian seasoning. Added in some broccoli and rice. Learn how to fillet a fish.

    The album in my profile is labeled "port charlotte 11-15." Caught it on a mirrodine bayou green behind hog island. Snook fillets out incrediblely well, at least for those who know how to handle a knife.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • Hey Art, did you ever filet any fish?:grin
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,717 AG
    Hey Art, did you ever filet any fish?:grin
    One or two :cool:
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • snookwhisperersnookwhisperer Posts: 229 Deckhand
    The FWC has a spr of 40% for snook to cover cold and red tide kill offs.
    Most fisheries go for 35% spr. So we on the west coast have a spr of 61%.
    East coast has a spr of 39%. Both sides of Florida are doing well, snook wise.
    What happens next will be interesting for sure! I'd like to see the fisherman of Florida
    to share in the results of our 6 years of sacrifice, after the 2010 freeze. Come what may.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    Is anybody willing/able to explain what SPR is? I am new to the topic.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,717 AG
    kellercl wrote: »
    Is anybody willing/able to explain what SPR is? I am new to the topic.
    Google it expert.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Google it expert.

    Will do. Thanks for the suggestion and effort. :)
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • snookwhisperersnookwhisperer Posts: 229 Deckhand
    It means spawning potential ratio. The term means the percentage of fish that reach spawning age.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    It means spawning potential ratio. The term means the percentage of fish that reach spawning age.

    Thanks. Any idea how that is calculated? I would assume there are a great many factors that influence being able to reach spawning age. I'm not aware of three variable calculus being possible. I'm not questioning the technique, but I am genuinely curious. Again, thanks.

    Edit
    Or is it simpler than I give it credit. Are the numbers calculated via a tagging program?
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,717 AG
    Google it.

    And don't forget the SSB plays a major role also.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Google it.

    And don't forget the SSB plays a major role also.

    I'm not convinced being able to use a search engine is a proper substitute for a true educational experience. If it is all the same to you I would rather engage in public discourse with those knowledgeable on the subject matter.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • CountryBumpkinCountryBumpkin Fla. Piney WoodsPosts: 1,892 Captain
    kellercl wrote: »
    If it is all the same to you I would rather engage in public discourse with those knowledgeable on the subject matter.

    You had already made that quite obvious in your prior posts.:rolleyes

    With "discourse" being the key word, of course.:grin
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