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Virginia halts concealed carry reciprocity with 25 States

divn4$divn4$ Posts: 1,530 Captain
This is a couple days old I didn't find it in a search so I thought I'd post it.
Hope this doesn't start a trend, dam lib's always messing with something that's not broke.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/12/22/virginia-halts-concealed-carry-reciprocity-25-states
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  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,389 AG
    I've been researching this for a few days, and can't find any data.

    Do you have some stats on the number of people who have been shot in Virginia by out of state Concealed Carry permit holders?


    Surly there must be an epidemic of Virginians getting criminally shot by Out-of-State concealed carry permit holders?
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 27,762 AG
    I've been researching this for a few days, and can't find any data.

    Do you have some stats on the number of people who have been shot in Virginia by out of state Concealed Carry permit holders?


    Surly there must be an epidemic of Virginians getting criminally shot by Out-of-State concealed carry permit holders?

    Let me help you. Virginia officials want each person that comes across their border to comply with their state laws. I don't find it much of a stretch or even baffling......
    Vote for the other candidate
  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,389 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Let me help you. Virginia officials want each person that comes across their border to comply with their state laws. I don't find it much of a stretch or even baffling......

    Bwahahahaha ^^^^ Clueless.

    Why didn't they stop reciprocity for Drivers licences issued in other states?

    This is pure political nonsense by the Liberal Governor McAuliffe who is still sore about Democrat State Senate losses who ran on the promise of more gun control. This is intended to punish gun owners, end of story.


    See post #2 of thread below.
    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?206704-Another-night-of-Election-Failure-for-Progressives&highlight=virginia
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 27,762 AG
    Bwahahahaha ^^^^ Clueless.

    Why didn't they stop reciprocity for Drivers licences issued in other states?

    This is pure political nonsense by the Liberal Governor McAuliffe who is still sore about Democrat State Senate losses who ran on the promise of more gun control. This is intended to punish gun owners, end of story.


    See post #2 of thread below.
    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?206704-Another-night-of-Election-Failure-for-Progressives&highlight=virginia

    Doesn't know the difference between a gun and a car.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,389 AG
    Anyways......going back to before we were interrupted by the resident troll.......

    Does anyone have any stats on the number of Virginians who have been criminally shot by Out of State conceal carry permit holders?


    Surly Virginia must be facing an epidemic of criminal violence from legally licensed Out of State Conceal Carry permit holders, which needed to be addressed.
  • phlatsphilphlatsphil Posts: 14,632 AG
    I've been researching this for a few days, and can't find any data.

    Do you have some stats on the number of people who have been shot in Virginia by out of state Concealed Carry permit holders?


    Surly there must be an epidemic of Virginians getting criminally shot by Out-of-State concealed carry permit holders?

    I appreciate your humor, we all do it on various topics.

    I heard about this last week and spoke to my brother in VA about it before Christmas. He says the VA GOP is up in arms about it. VA used to be too lenient on both gun sales and gun carry laws. VA used to be the primary source of guns funneled to NYC. They finally nipped that in the bud, and now they want people who carry guns to be held to the same standards that they now apply. VA no longer allows concealed carry for people with a DUI, 3 misdemeanors convictions, restraining orders or mental disorder. Apparently VA broke ties with 25 states that issue permits to people with those records.

    What I don't understand is.... VA is an open carry state. Can someone with a DUI, 3 misdemeanor convictions, restraining orders or mental disorder carry openly? I'll text my brother and get back to you.
  • Baits OutBaits Out Posts: 12,331 AG
    Interesting.

    This coming spring/summer we are planning to do multiple and extensive
    car trips to historic or otherwise interesting sites in various areas of our country.

    We shall both have CWPs and be trained in safe and lawful use of our firearms.

    As the time approaches, I shall have to make a list of non-reciprocity states
    to avoid in these travels.

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  • phlatsphilphlatsphil Posts: 14,632 AG
    Baits Out wrote: »
    Interesting.

    This coming spring/summer we are planning to do multiple and extensive
    car trips to historic or otherwise interesting sites in various areas of our country.

    We shall both have CWPs and be trained in safe and lawful use of our firearms.

    As the time approaches, I shall have to make a list of non-reciprocity states
    to avoid in these travels.

    I have a similar dilemma. I am heading up to VA in mid April for a few weeks, had planned on taking my concealed weapon with me. Most likely, I still will. There may be a circumstance in which I'd rather ask for forgiveness than ask for permission.
  • ThrottleThrottle Posts: 2,839 Captain
    Bwahahahaha ^^^^ Clueless.

    Why didn't they stop reciprocity for Drivers licences issued in other states?

    This is pure political nonsense by the Liberal Governor McAuliffe who is still sore about Democrat State Senate losses who ran on the promise of more gun control. This is intended to punish gun owners, end of story.


    See post #2 of thread below.
    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?206704-Another-night-of-Election-Failure-for-Progressives&highlight=virginia
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Doesn't know the difference between a gun and a car.
    Pretends not to understand a perfect analogy when his face is rubbed in it.
  • ThrottleThrottle Posts: 2,839 Captain
    phlatsphil wrote: »
    I have a similar dilemma. I am heading up to VA in mid April for a few weeks, had planned on taking my concealed weapon with me. Most likely, I still will. There may be a circumstance in which I'd rather ask for forgiveness than ask for permission.
    Have you researched VA law on weapons in private conveyances? In FL you'd be ok with a gun in your console/glove box even without a concealed carry permit.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,592 AG
    Just wait till the CCW holders of Virginia figure out that they can carry outside of Virginia in 25 fewer states... as the reciprocity with VA is pulled. Big mistake on this by the Governor.
  • He would be happier if you spelled his title correctly, rather than allowing out of state amateur gunfighters access. :wink
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  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,592 AG
    He would be happier if you spelled his title correctly, rather than allowing out of state amateur gunfighters access. :wink

    The noise made by yesterday's Republican.
  • No, that would be the noise I responded to.

    Please attenuate it and spare me the effort of correcting it. Thanks.
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  • MenziesMenzies Posts: 19,289 AG
    So now folks on here do not agree with state rights in this case.

    Maybe you want a Federal system after all?
    Maybe if we tell people that the brain is an App, they will start using it.
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    Menzies wrote: »
    So now folks on here do not agree with state rights in this case.

    Maybe you want a Federal system after all?
    Your problem , and it is a recurring malady, is that this isn't states rights. Our psycho gov and att general decided to do this as a completely political maneuver to start stripping gun rights.

    It has nothing to do with the will of Virginians, it does have the earmarks of totalitarians in the Dem party, and some in the Rep party.
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    Amateur gunfighter access? Lolololol.

    Completely off base on this one.
  • Ah you are professional?
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  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    Ah you are professional?

    I am a concealed weapons holder in Virginia. You pretty much said I am a professional.
  • Sorry you misunderstood.

    You are an amateur.
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  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    He would be happier if you spelled his title correctly, rather than allowing out of state amateur gunfighters access. :wink
    Sorry you misunderstood.

    You are an amateur.


    Ok so out of state amateurs are not good compared to in state amateurs?

    You are lost in your political rhetoric.
  • fins4mefins4me Posts: 14,487 AG
    This is something that I will have to deal with on nearly a weekly basis. I have 2 choices. I can comply with the a-holes or I can now do something I detest,,, that being open carry. I guess that will be my choice. I should strap on my 454 Casull in a western style holster and go all out. I hope the 6 million people who are affected by this do the same just **** off Terry McAuliffe.

    and before some progressive fool spouts off about state's rights,,,,,, I guarantee that the VAST majority of the citizens of VA would vote against this move.

    One VA State Senator is putting forth a bill that will remove funding for the governors security detail since he seems to have a raging case of Hoplophobia and should be shielded from the frightful firearms they carry.
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  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    Does anyone know who was selling sleepovers in Lincolns bedroom during the Clinton years? Or has a company in China that was partially funded by taxpayer money?
  • dave44 wrote: »
    Ok so out of state amateurs are not good compared to in state amateurs?

    You are lost in your political rhetoric.

    That's what the Governor and his AG think. Specifically because their the named states standards for permit issuance do not meet their own.

    Here they are:

    Persons Not Qualified to Obtain a Permit – Section 18.2-308.09

    1.An individual who is ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Section 18.2-308.1:1, 18.2-308.1:2 or Section 18.2-308.1:3 or the substantially similar law of any other state or of the United States.

    2.An individual who was ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Section 18.2-308.1:1 and who was discharged from the custody of the Commissioner pursuant to Section 19.2-182.7 less than five years before the date of his application for a concealed handgun permit.

    3.An individual who was ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Section 18.2-308.1:2 and whose competency or capacity was restored pursuant to former Section 37.1-134.1 or Section 37.2-1012 less than five years before the date of his application for a concealed handgun permit.

    4.An individual who was ineligible to possess a firearm under Section 18.2-308.1:3 and who was released from commitment less than five years before the date of this application for a concealed handgun permit.

    5.An individual who is subject to a restraining order, or to a protective order and prohibited by Section 18.2-308.1:4 from purchasing or transporting a firearm.

    6.An individual who is prohibited by Section 18.2-308.2 from possessing or transporting a firearm, except that a permit may be obtained in accordance with subsection C of that section.

    7.An individual who has been convicted of two or more misdemeanors within the five-year period immediately preceding the application, if one of the misdemeanors was a Class 1 misdemeanor, but the judge shall have the discretion to deny a permit for two or more misdemeanors that are not Class 1. Traffic infractions or reckless driving shall not be considered for purposes of this disqualification.

    8.An individual who is addicted to, or is an unlawful user or distributor of, marijuana or any controlled substance.

    9.An individual who has been convicted of a violation of Section 18.2-266 or a substantially similar local ordinance, or of public drunkenness, or of a substantially similar offense under the laws of any other state, the District of Columbia, the United States, or its territories within the three-year period immediately preceding the application, or who is a habitual drunkard as determined pursuant to Section 4.1-33.
    10.An alien other than an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States.

    11.An individual who has been discharged from the Armed Forces of the United States under dishonorable conditions.

    12.An individual who is a fugitive from justice.

    13.An individual who the court finds, by a preponderance of the evidence, based on specific acts by the applicant, is likely to use a weapon unlawfully or negligently to endanger others. The sheriff, chief of police, or attorney for the Commonwealth may submit to the court a sworn written statement indicating that, in the opinion of such sheriff, chief of police, or attorney for the Commonwealth, based upon a disqualifying conviction or upon the specific acts set forth in the statement, the applicant is likely to use a weapon unlawfully or negligently to endanger others. The statement of the sheriff, chief of police, or the attorney for the Commonwealth shall be based upon personal knowledge of such individual or of a deputy sheriff, police officer, or assistant attorney for the Commonwealth of the specific acts, or upon a written statement made under oath before a notary public of a competent person having personal knowledge of the specific acts.

    14.An individual who has been convicted of any assault, assault and battery, sexual battery, discharging of a firearm in violation of Section 18.2-280 or Section 18.2-286.1 or brandishing of a firearm in violation of Section 18.2-282 within the three-year period immediately preceding the application.

    15.An individual who has been convicted of stalking.

    16.An individual whose previous convictions or adjudications of delinquency were based on an offense which would have been at the time of conviction a felony if committed by an adult under the laws of any state, the District of Columbia, the United States or its territories. For purposes of this disqualifier, only convictions occurring within sixteen years following the later of the date of (i) the conviction or adjudication or (ii) release from any incarceration imposed upon such conviction or adjudication shall be deemed to be "previous convictions."

    17.An individual who has a felony charge pending or a charge pending for an offense listed in 14 or 15.

    18.An individual who has received mental health treatment or substance abuse treatment in a residential setting within five years prior to the date of his application for a concealed handgun permit.

    19.An individual not otherwise ineligible pursuant to this section, who, within the three-year period immediately preceding the application for the permit, was found guilty of any criminal offense set forth in Article 1 (Section 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of this title or of a criminal offense of illegal possession or distribution of marijuana or any controlled substance, under the laws of any state, the District of Columbia, or the United States or its territories.

    20.An individual, not otherwise ineligible pursuant to this section, with respect to whom, within the three-year period immediately preceding the application, upon a charge of any criminal offense set forth in Article 1 (Section 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of this title or upon a charge of illegal possession or distribution of marijuana or any controlled substance under the laws of any state, the District of Columbia, or the United States or its territories, the trial court found that the facts of the case were sufficient for a finding of guilt and disposed of the case pursuant to Section 18.2-251 or the substantially similar law of any other state, the District of Columbia, or the United States or its territories.


    Several states have qualifications that meet or exceed those minimum standards and maintain their reciprocity.

    There is nothing either political or rhetorical involved.

    Why visitors should enjoy more relaxed standards to freely carry concealed weapons than the state's own residents is a difficult thing to justify and defend.

    I apologize in advance if my critical thinking bewilders.
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  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    fins4me wrote: »
    This is something that I will have to deal with on nearly a weekly basis. I have 2 choices. I can comply with the a-holes or I can now do something I detest,,, that being open carry. I guess that will be my choice. I should strap on my 454 Casull in a western style holster and go all out. I hope the 6 million people who are affected by this do the same just **** off Terry McAuliffe.

    and before some progressive fool spouts off about state's rights,,,,,, I guarantee that the VAST majority of the citizens of VA would vote against this move.

    One VA State Senator is putting forth a bill that will remove funding for the governors security detail since he seems to have a raging case of Hoplophobia and should be shielded from the frightful firearms they carry.

    Thanks for sticking with us fins! Just because some wanna-be dictator declares an edict doesn't mean the population has signed off on it!
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    You don't know what you are talking about Gary. But at least you saw the presser. It's a propaganda festival.


    And do remember, when you posited that out of staters were unqualified amatuers you made me the professional.
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,759 AG
    I think water already asked the important question, has my state been victimized by concealed weapons holders of other states? No.
  • MenziesMenzies Posts: 19,289 AG
    dave44 wrote: »
    Your problem , and it is a recurring malady, is that this isn't states rights. Our psycho gov and att general decided to do this as a completely political maneuver to start stripping gun rights.

    It has nothing to do with the will of Virginians, it does have the earmarks of totalitarians in the Dem party, and some in the Rep party.

    I do believe that the state's voters asked them to represent the state in the application of it's rights. Just because they chose to do so in a manner you do not agree with, does not mean that they are not applying the rights of the state.
    Maybe if we tell people that the brain is an App, they will start using it.
  • dave44 wrote: »
    You don't know what you are talking about Gary. But at least you saw the presser. It's a propaganda festival.


    And do remember, when you posited that out of staters were unqualified amatuers you made me the professional.

    :Spittingcoffee


    Work on your logical fallacy identification.

    You are not a professional, as a permit does not a professional gunfighter make, regardless of residence.

    Unfortunately for you I do know very well.
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