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I ended up with a Kahr CM9, which was the same size and shoots a 9mm cartridge. All in all a much better gun for near the same money
This!! That is what I carry day in, day out.
Sounds like you want someone with experience to just tell you what to buy so here goes. I would not recommend anything I do not personally own or otherwise have experience with.
Feather weight throw it in your pocket and forget about it "get off of me" pistol would be Ruger LCP (.380)
A slightly bigger EDC (every day carry) that is rock solid and reliable that can be used for more than strictly defensive purposes would be a Kahr PM9 (9mm) or it's cheaper cousin Kahr CM9 also (9mm).
$299 for the LCP
$400 for the CM9
$650 for the PM9
Seacamp .380 720$ us
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=519795960
I AM NOT A RACIST
$719!!! Wow. Must shoot and load itself.
:Griz
That's what I say about Yeti coolers.... anyway.
I AM NOT A RACIST
NO!...
....and you had better forget about what you see on TV and the Movies also......
I the "real-world"....bad guys get hit numerous times in the arms....legs and torso and still fight back and/or run away...
Sure! some of them fall over dead from their wounds, but it's that time between being shot and when they actually die is when many do some pretty dangerous stuff.
These "tiny pistols" were really never designed to be a "stopper of creeps"....for the most part...they won't stop a rabid possum with one shot stone cold dead unless you "skull" it.
....and a pistol without any sights?.......especially an underpowered pistol without any sights?.....
So here you are in the Wal-Mart and a creep with a sawed off is robbing them....you are 30 feet away......you pull out your tiny little weapon and shoot "at him"...miss by 3 feet......the bullet goes down range another 60 feet....and strikes a little girl in the head who's sitting in a shopping cart....and now she's deader than Julius Caesar....the "creep" gets away.....and you'll never get over it...
Without certain exceptions....all rounds loaded by a manufacturer are loaded so that they will not blow up even the oldest and most frail weapon that they will fit...
And that pretty much well means that they aren't going fast enough to expand....which means that most will not do a whole lot of damage unless the target gets hit in the head.....it's just that simple...so you have a bunch of .380 rounds lying around just isn't a reason to buy a tiny pistol chambered in that caliber for the intended purpose of shoot a "creep" should the need arise.
ESPECIALLY ONE WITHOUT SITES!
For a minute let's forget that you have a few cigar boxes full of old .380 ammo....
One of the most dangerous "tiny caliber" rounds is the .22 long rifle. It is dangerous because of it's small diameter and high velocity...
The highest velocity are Aguila Super Max with a reported 1750 fps....OUCH.....catch one of them in the "10 ring" and it's "game over"....."Elvis has left the building...and ain't ever coming back".....
IF that same bullet was going a 1000 or so fps faster it would be a .223....and that round is a proven stopper...
OK....so really...why should you even consider a .22 rimfire?
For one....you can get a real pistol that weighs about 13 ounces...that has real sights....that anyone can become extremely proficient with that costs about...$350 bucks....has a manual safety....has a hammer....is sa/da....has real sights.....has a end threaded barrel if you ever decide to become "007"....comes with 3 - 10 shot magazines.....
Walther P-22.....made in Germany....
It isn't a "pocket gun"...though it does look small in my paws..
But it does something that no pocket gun will do....in the hands of a real shooter....it will give that person the ability to shower their target....in the 10 ring....with multiple hits before the "creep" hits the ground... with a lethal barrage of hypervelocity projectiles that will expand and fragment to the point where there will be no question of the outcome of that gunfight....
By the way "chaser48".... if you pull your weapon.....if your object is NOT to kill...then by all means....never pull your weapon...and better yet....don't even carry one....
Check this out....
Trayvon Martin would disagree with you. I'm quite comfortable with my LC9.
Ok.....
I think he is dead from his thuggish behaviors.
What ever you get you have to practice with it.
It will make the moves natural.
About the little bodyguard. It shoots like a bigger gun. I have shot the kel tec and the ruger lcp and they both kind of hurt to shoot. The bodyguard does not rattle my hand and i can shoot it decent enough i guess. The trigger does suck, like most pocket guns. I may do the trigger kit that reduces the length of pull. I also put in the MAG GUTS conversion kit so i now hold a total of 8 rounds including the one in the pipe. I of course do not ever plan to use it , but if i need it i will most likely have it with me. Or it might get me to my truck where i will have better options.
You did not say why you felt the need to carry other than you have a box of .380 ammo and wanted that caliber. There have been lots of opinions and advice given on the subject and you are probably more confused than ever.
Me and my gf shoot 1-2 times per month at the range and at my grandparents farm. She showed a interest in carrying a weapon because she works late and opens the store she works at early. She says sometimes there are 'people' hanging around the store and makes her nervous. We experimented with many weapons (her favorite is a Keltec PMR30, Walther P22, Sig 1911-22) and she is a very good shot. When it came to actually carrying a gun on her hip or in her purse she never felt comfortable. So, being the BEST BF EVER, I went on the hunt for something that would suit her. I came up with KIMBER pepper spray in a derringer size.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pepper-blaster
I bought them when they were on sale, by 2 get one free, and then went to the flea market and got here a cell phone case to put it in. She wears one on her side constantly every day and no one is the wiser, she keeps one in her purse and the other in the door pocket of her car. They are simple to use and if used properly can provide an escape for a potential dangerous situation. I know there may be some bashers on here but carrying a gun full time was not for her.
Check them out and see what you think. It may be an alternative for you or others.
You do know that if you have a stalker they will always get you when you're in the shower.:hairraiser
The only good thing about being old, fat, and ugly is that it really cuts down on having stalkers. I think i will be safe from that standpoint. besides if they do try and get me in the shower i will blind them with my fat white a##, then judy chop them to sleep.
What you really learned is that people always vote for what they paid for. Glock, Khar, Sig........ do not make micro pistols. ALL micro pistols are going to be a handful because of basic physics. I chose the Pico over many others for the simple fact that it's tiny and fits my big hands with the extension mag. Micros are meant to be pocket pistols perfect for gym shorts or a dog walk. They are not gun fighters
Buffalo Bore make very nasty 380 cartridges that are close to 9mm numbers
I can see where IF you weren't a person who used firearms a lot a certain degree of confusion might set in.....:grin
How's about this.....whatever you decide to purchase....don't be one of those guys who loads it....sticks it in his pocket...and never get's proficient with it.....
And by "proficient".....I don't mean that at 5 feet you can hit somewhere on a full sized B-27
...I also don't mean the ability to take head shots on the same target...offhand....at 100 yards either....
Be safe...be careful... and whatever you do.....don't go wagging that damned thing around like the tail of a happy dog when you get it...:grin
:Agree
Now for the con. It’s only one, but it’s a big one. I’ll never buy another Diamondback again until I’m convinced they’ve improved their QC. I’ve bought both of mine new, and neither would cycle good quality ammo out of the box. Of course, once you fire them the store won’t take them back, so my only option was to call Diamondback and have them fix it. The first time wasn’t too bad, they emailed me a pre-paid label and I mailed the gun back. I got it back a few weeks later, with an explanation of what they needed to do to fix the gun. Something needed re-machined, I can’t recall the details. The biggest issue was that when they sent it back UPS, they required a signature. I understand that, but they didn’t bother to mention it and once UPS tried to deliver and couldn’t since I wasn’t at home during the day, they wouldn’t change the address. I ended up driving 30 miles one way after work to pick it up from a UPS warehouse. As mad as I was about it, I enjoyed the gun enough that when I wanted to get something for my mom, I forgave them and bought another one. Same story, wouldn’t cycle ammo. This time it took 3-4 months before it came back. I was on numerous phone calls regarding the shipping mess I went through the first time, and was assured they had the correct address and there wouldn’t be a problem. Surprise-surprise, they shipped it to the wrong address, the one they promised they hadn’t used. Ended up having to take a ½ day of vacation just to sign for it. It shoots fine now, but there was no explanation of what they needed to do. Only a note that they “fixed firearm due to customer complaint” or something like that.
In the end, the DB 380 is a great little carry weapon. I’m not sure how they can make it so fun to shoot, but other makers should pay attention. But, their QC and CS is so horrible, I wouldn’t even consider buying a new one unless it becomes common knowledge that they’ve got their act together. Everyone is going to have the occasional lemon make it through QC, but 2 of 2 is unacceptable. And the fact they’re so backed up with repairs it took them 4 months to fix the last one doesn’t make things look promising.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the first was before Taurus bought them and the second was after. I was hoping things had improved after they changed hands, no such luck.
All I was trying to do is get input not how to use firearms,I am left handed and cross eye dominant I have overcome this and became very accurate with what I use Any way the DB 380 on their Gen 1 model had issues ,redesigned Gen 2 model they appear to have corrected that problem ,I try to research before I buy anything
This is off topic
You can can get great answers here.
You just have to weed through the opinions.
Lots of smart people here, you might be surprised how much some of the jokers know.
Always wondered what my Ruger 10/22 would do if I needed it to do something.
That's about as close as I can get that will fit into my pocket..
LOL.
"Terror"...
Any man with a 10/22 against soft human targets ( at shtf time)would indeed be a "terror"...especially if he aimed and had a bag full of 50 shot magazines.
A .22 rimfire is one of those rounds that is extremely deadly right out of the box....it just doesn't look so. A long time ago when the first started putting bullet proof glass between fares and taxi drivers.....it stopped a .44 mag dead...but a .22 RF went right through.
According to these guys the 22 lr is lethal out to 440 yds. Now whether you could hit the mark that far out is another question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY