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reel stamasreel stamas Posts: 6,153 Admiral
Looks like it's time to replace my HVAC unit (In & Out) & I'm wondering what's the 'BEST' Brand (& more importantly what's the Best VALUE Brand)... I live on the Bay (~1 mile from the Gulf Coast) so I don't really expect my outside unit to last >~10yrs (~15yrs 'max' if I'm really lucky) so I'm not sure the BEST (most expensive) will make financial sense... I know everyone here hates Goodman, but my outside unit is a Goodman installed in ~'05 & still going strong... My inside unit (air handler) however is the 'original' from ~'95 & needs replacing, so I plan to replace everything b/c the unit struggles to keep up on REALLY HOT Days & my summer bills are HIGH b/c in July/August it runs ~24/7... Planning to get 2-Speed Air Handler & 2-Stage Condenser given my issues w/Humidity, etc... Appreciate opinions, insights & recs...
There should be NO Commercial Fishing for any fish species considered 'Over-fished' , 'Undergoing Overfishing' or Subject to Recreational Seasons, Limits, or Closures... Game Fish Status IS the Answer !!!
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  • Garza BlancaGarza Blanca Posts: 110 Deckhand
    I live 1 mile from the ocean and have a 19 year old Carrier.
  • coldaircoldair Posts: 11,490 AG
    20 seer variable speed as
    169304.GIF
  • FishinMcNutFishinMcNut Posts: 536 Officer
    coldair wrote: »
    20 seer variable speed as
    Have two and love them
  • NickhoogNickhoog Posts: 1,572 Captain
    http://www.icpusa.com/who.html

    I'm a tried and true Carrier guy, Dad started working for them in 1972 so that blue oval has been in my face for some time, so if you wanted the Carrier "brand" you can't go wrong. Take a look at Tempstar, Carrier equipment at a better price.Here's a link stating Tempstar is owned by Carrier as well as other brands across the bottom of the page. Tempstar is ICP's Carrier. They are the underling company that get's Carrier's technology first compared to the brands on the bottom of the page. Google some pics of the equipment and you'll see there is little difference between the two except a paint job and a label.
  • PolarPolar Posts: 22,492 AG
    Goodman is where its at
  • reel stamasreel stamas Posts: 6,153 Admiral
    Polar wrote: »
    Goodman is where its at

    Thanks Polar... & just when everyone was longing for the good old days when you were banned...
    There should be NO Commercial Fishing for any fish species considered 'Over-fished' , 'Undergoing Overfishing' or Subject to Recreational Seasons, Limits, or Closures... Game Fish Status IS the Answer !!!
  • PolarPolar Posts: 22,492 AG
    thanks! It think
  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,412 AG
    Carrier and Trane I have had great success with.
  • FloydFloyd Posts: 1,135 Officer
    coldair wrote: »
    20 seer variable speed as

    Isn't a 20-SEER system about double the cost of a 16-SEER unit? How long would it take to recoup the extra cost by saving on electricity?
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  • NickhoogNickhoog Posts: 1,572 Captain
    Floyd wrote: »
    Isn't a 20-SEER system about double the cost of a 16-SEER unit? How long would it take to recoup the extra cost by saving on electricity?

    Shhhhhh... you never do nowadays... When the electric companies offered huge rebates you had a chance.
  • reel stamasreel stamas Posts: 6,153 Admiral
    Floyd wrote: »
    Isn't a 20-SEER system about double the cost of a 16-SEER unit? How long would it take to recoup the extra cost by saving on electricity?
    Yea- I've already decided on ~16-SEER... No way a '20' makes financial sense for me...
    There should be NO Commercial Fishing for any fish species considered 'Over-fished' , 'Undergoing Overfishing' or Subject to Recreational Seasons, Limits, or Closures... Game Fish Status IS the Answer !!!
  • coldaircoldair Posts: 11,490 AG
    Floyd wrote: »
    Isn't a 20-SEER system about double the cost of a 16-SEER unit? How long would it take to recoup the extra cost by saving on electricity?

    when the relative humidity in your house is 43 to 47% the health and comfort levels are worth it. not one of my customers that have them say they were not worth the cost.
    169304.GIF
  • TheMarkOdomTheMarkOdom Posts: 32 Deckhand
    Nothing wrong with goodman

    Back in the day we placed Rheem in our spec' homes and they are still going strong since 2004. They also offer a 10 year warranty (or did) on the cheap.

    American Standard/Trane same thing is touted as the best and they probably are honestly but with salt intrusion likely you won't see the end days on the investment to pay off.

    Rheem
    Goodman

    probably two of the best as far as being economical and trouble free....
    Mark O.
    Northwest Florida
    PCB
    2015 Tidewater 280CC Twin 300's

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  • mindyabinessmindyabiness Posts: 7,989 Admiral
    I bought a RUUD (Rheem) 16 seer package unit in july 2012. It has a "ten year warranty".... 2 out of the three seasons I have owned it it failed.
    The first problem was the blower....
    This unit had a ECM blower motor. This type of motor has a terrible track record. Instead of a capacitor, it uses electronics to start and run slowly. this motor is very expensive but was covered under the warranty. I changed it myself.
    Last week the condenser fan motor quit. I did some testing and I believe it is the capacitor and will get it from amazon. Its just a few dollars.
    At any rate.... I would suggest you avoid this brand. But regardless which brand you choose, find out about the ECM blower motor and make sure it's covered in the warranty.
    I believe the Trane units are rather proprietary so if you planning on repairing it your self you may want to look into that.
    Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon... No matter how good you are, the bird is going to crap on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
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  • AC ManAC Man Posts: 7,300 Admiral
    coldair wrote: »
    when the relative humidity in your house is 43 to 47% the health and comfort levels are worth it. not one of my customers that have them say they were not worth the cost.

    Must be nice. Many of my customers in Ocala want to know if we have used equipment. The rest can't even afford that.:grin
  • swampmonsterswampmonster Posts: 349 Deckhand
    I agree with Carrier and Trane and would run from Goodman and Reem.
    I am in construction and don't want to hear years down the road about the crappy units not living up to expected unit life.
  • PolarPolar Posts: 22,492 AG
    no fpl rebates on a 20 seer either, or if you live in a condo
  • King_MeKing_Me Posts: 7,096 Admiral
    I bought a RUUD (Rheem) 16 seer package unit in july 2012. It has a "ten year warranty".... 2 out of the three seasons I have owned it it failed.
    The first problem was the blower....

    Yup, had the same problem with my Ruud and bought at around the same time. It was under warranty. AC guy said there was a batch of bad motors.

    Had a Reem for 19 years, zero problems. Only reason why I replaced was for better efficiently model.
  • PolarPolar Posts: 22,492 AG
    all new x-13 motors suck, no matter which brand. Theyre all made by the same company. Ive warrantied over 800 last year
  • WhyWorkWhyWork Posts: 266 Deckhand
    I have had at least 20 Goodman units installed over the last ten years at various client houses and my own and the only unit that is constantly having issues is the one at my house. 10 year warranty on parts, but does not cover labor$$.

    I have lost multiple compressors and had to replace the air handler coil last year. We even replaced the condenser unit, already on compressor #2.

    Overall I have been happy with Goodman, I think the problems had more to do with my particular installation, then a reflection of Goodman.

    adam
  • reel stamasreel stamas Posts: 6,153 Admiral
    I really appreciate all the comments from those 'IN/NEAR/OUTSIDE' the Industry... I know some of it's 'Luck' (getting a lemon), but it's nice to know what to look for (or more importantly look out for)
    There should be NO Commercial Fishing for any fish species considered 'Over-fished' , 'Undergoing Overfishing' or Subject to Recreational Seasons, Limits, or Closures... Game Fish Status IS the Answer !!!
  • hooknredshooknreds Posts: 2,461 Captain
    WhyWork wrote: »
    I have had at least 20 Goodman units installed over the last ten years at various client houses and my own and the only unit that is constantly having issues is the one at my house. 10 year warranty on parts, but does not cover labor$$.

    I have lost multiple compressors and had to replace the air handler coil last year. We even replaced the condenser unit, already on compressor #2.

    Overall I have been happy with Goodman, I think the problems had more to do with my particular installation, then a reflection of Goodman.

    adam
    Are Goodmans still running aluminum coils? I've only put one in a house I built and the coil went out in the first year.
    I've been putting Comfortmaker in the houses I build and have had good results. Pretty good bang for the buck.
  • coldaircoldair Posts: 11,490 AG
    Daikin had to purchase goodman after contracting them to build components for their US made units and the quality was so bad they buy them out and bring in their own people to do it over. they purchased it not knowing that goodman had 300 million in unfunded warranty problems
    169304.GIF
  • PolarPolar Posts: 22,492 AG
    Fpl reabtes, now $150 across the board, no matter what tonnage, 16 an 17 seer only, straight cool, single family attached home , It was good while it lasted Fpl!
  • King_MeKing_Me Posts: 7,096 Admiral
    Polar wrote: »
    Fpl reabtes, now $150 across the board, no matter what tonnage, 16 an 17 seer only, straight cool, single family attached home , It was good while it lasted Fpl!

    I think I got in the neighborhood of $400 from FPL a few years back when I replaced mine.
  • reel stamasreel stamas Posts: 6,153 Admiral
    coldair wrote: »
    Daikin had to purchase goodman after contracting them to build components for their US made units and the quality was so bad they buy them out and bring in their own people to do it over. they purchased it not knowing that goodman had 300 million in unfunded warranty problems

    So does that mean today's Goodman is made by Daikin & therefore better quality ?
    There should be NO Commercial Fishing for any fish species considered 'Over-fished' , 'Undergoing Overfishing' or Subject to Recreational Seasons, Limits, or Closures... Game Fish Status IS the Answer !!!
  • PolarPolar Posts: 22,492 AG
    no, they still both suck
  • coldaircoldair Posts: 11,490 AG
    So does that mean today's Goodman is made by Daikin & therefore better quality ?


    yes, daikin is giving one of my customers a new system after not having ac for 2.5 months. I have rarely had an issue that cause us not to be able fix and AS system within a day most times same day
    169304.GIF
  • FLCoyoteFLCoyote Posts: 271 Deckhand
    My house was build in 1968 and I replaced the original Sears unit with a Lennox. The Sears unit only lasted 43 years, guess it was a lemon (LOL). The Lennox has been great for the past five years. When I was trying to decide which unit to have installed the contractor kept trying to get me to buy the Goodman, but I just didn't want the standard contractor grade unit. So far the Lennox has been great, the contractor told me that the only problem with Lennox units was that they loved their parts and wouldn't part with them easily. I don't know if the profit margin is better on the Goodman's or why the contractor was pushing them. A some what humorous note is that the original owner of my house built it himself and when replacing the Sears unit the installers found a galvanized washtub with holes cut in it and the duct work brazed to the holes at the top of the air handler. They thought it was so funny they took it back to their shop to put on display. Said they had never seen another one like it. Oh well it worked for 43 years so must have been a good idea.

    FLCoyote
  • NickhoogNickhoog Posts: 1,572 Captain
    Polar wrote: »
    all new x-13 motors suck, no matter which brand. Theyre all made by the same company. Ive warrantied over 800 last year

    Yup!!!! We service an apartment complex with over 300 apt. units all with Goodman Front return air handlers. All equipment is 2012 generation. We've replaced over 50 of the X-13 motors this year alone and in September, 10 in one week!!! Management and myself figured the 3rd year was a charm. If you're "In the biz" you understand the engineering of these air handlers; i.e. blower behind the coil, making it impossible to remove the blower housing without dislodging the coil, completely idiotic!!!!! I did figure out a way to replace the motor without removing the coil.
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