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Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Bannedthe villagesPosts: 10,454 Officer
Yet another drawback of socialized medicine. They are curing age related blindness.

Those bastards......

British doctors hail 'cure for blindness' with successful treatment of age-related macular degeneration


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/british-doctors-hail-cure-for-blindness-with-successful-treatment-of-age-related-muscular-a6671106.html

Oh and they are doing it with unborn babies......
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  • mplspugmplspug Senior Member Posts: 16,009 AG
    That's like cheering for your team because they finally just scored in the waning minutes of the 4th quarter to make the score 214-6...yeah, they missed the extra point.

    And lets be prudent. This trial has 5 years left. You know how many "break throughs" in the search for a cure for cancer I have heard in my life? Heck, I just heard Cuba is giving us the cure for lung cancer somewhere...
    Just dropping grenades in OT
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    kind of funny how America is the only Developed country in the world that doesn't have universal health care. Oh wait I think there is one other one. South Africa. A holdover from apartheid?
  • Baits OutBaits Out Senior Member Palm Beach CountyPosts: 12,328 AG
    TANSTAAFL

    A southeast Florida laid back beach bum and volunteer bikini assessor who lives on island time. 
  • stsimonsstsimons Senior Member Posts: 7,292 Admiral
    mplspug wrote: »
    Heck, I just heard Cuba is giving us the cure for lung cancer somewhere...

    Man, that's brutal - you basically just took cranky conker out behind the woodshed and beat him with a rubber hose. :cool:
  • ThrottleThrottle Senior Member Posts: 2,847 Captain
    If we're gonna do socialism can we at least try to do it sort of well? **** with this "affordable (yeah right) care act"?
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Senior Member Central NCPosts: 22,850 AG
    If we would just give away free health care everything would be ok.
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    Baits Out wrote: »
    TANSTAAFL

    no one said anything about free. The money is there. It is just the way it is being distributed that is the problem.

    In 2014 we spent 3.8 trillion dollars on Health Care in America

    That should be plenty to cover All Americans

    The rest of the world does it very successfully
  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Senior Member Posts: 24,412 AG
    rickc wrote: »
    The rest of the world does it very successfully

    No they don't.
    Baits Out wrote: »
    TANSTAAFL

    Ah........yup, no matter what CC and ricky think or say.

    We are still waiting for all the bills of DEM-care to hit after BHO kicked the bills into the future, after he is out of office, it a weak attempt to slough off his legacy of extraordinary bills onto the next occupant of the WH.
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    No they don't.



    Ah........yup, no matter what CC and ricky think or say.

    We are still waiting for all the bills of DEM

    Opinions vary!
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    Q.

    Are the French happy with their health care system?

    A.

    Eurobarometer, Harris Interactive and other studies of consumer perceptions have consistently reported high rates of satisfaction among the French — among the highest in the European Union and certainly higher than in the United States. Still, my French colleagues were surprised when the W.H.O. report came out, ranking their system No. 1, because they are typically critical of their system. I don’t know any health system about which you can’t tell a horror story that occurred to a patient. That’s why it is so important to avoid cocktail party anecdotes of health system performance and rather examine evidence in a more systematic fashion.

    Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

    Apparently.

    By an overwhelming margin, Canadians prefer the Canadian health care system to the American one. Overall, 82% said they preferred the Canadian system, fully ten times the number who said the American system is superior (8%)....from a Harris-Decima poll (.pdf), July 2009. .

    The vast majority of Canadians, 91 per cent, felt that Canada's health care system was better than the United States


    The British Are Surprisingly Satisfied With Their Controversial Socialized Health Care System

    It turns out the British National Health Service (NHS) — a system free at the point of service and funded by tax money — is pretty popular, despite the frequent controversy in the tabloids (one recent Daily Mail headline, "Thousands Dying Of Thirst On NHS").

    An impressive 61% of respondents said they were "satisfied" with the socialized health care system, according to a British Social Attitudes survey released today.


    To give you an idea of how that stacks against the U.S. health care system, take a look at a comparative study that appeared in the Health Affairs journal earlier this year. Using patient satisfaction surveys from 11 different countries, the authors found that just 28.9% of U.S. citizens felt that their health care system "works pretty well, and only minor changes are necessary to make it work better." The figure for the United Kingdom was 61.3% — almost exactly the BSA result.


    1. Australia (Population 22.32 million, GDP US$1.379 trillion)




    That’s right, their beaches and exotic wildlife aren’t the only things keeping Australians happy — their medical system is too! In Australia, public coverage is guaranteed to all, but the state encourages wealthier individuals to use a private system by enforcing an additional 1% tax on those who fall above a certain income level but use the public system anyway. The fruits of the government’s innovative techniques are evident in Australia’s death rate from conditions amenable to medical care, which was a startling 50% less than America’s in 2003 and 25% less than the United Kingdom's.
  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Senior Member Posts: 24,412 AG
    Link.

    And, your point?

    Three countries, are the "whole world?" Your words, not mine. :grin

    Keep digging a hole, ricky. Also, please give us a graph of how these programs are paid for, the tax rates in each country and which ones are broke/soon to be broke. TYIA.
  • Gary MGary M Senior Member Key Largo, LauderdalePosts: 13,246 AG
    rickc wrote: »
    kind of funny how America is the only Developed country in the world that doesn't have universal health care.

    Yeah, just got back from Canada where they have socialized medicine. Yet, even though it's FANTASTIC there, when the Canadian Prime Minister needed heart surgery, where did he go? He went to America rickc. He didn't stay in Canada, he went to America.

    I and/or my wife have been 'treated' at health care facilities in the UK, (recently), the Bahamas and in New Zealand. I was INSIDE the exam rooms. It's a JOKE! All are socialized medicine countries. The UK place was in a mall!

    When I went to a clinic in New Zealand for a bad cough, the 'doctor' never asked me what meds I was taking, never took my BP, no forms..... nada. I was in/out in 10 mins and it cost me $10. He gave me a prescription for an inhaler but what if it conflicted with my regular meds? Yeah, I got what I paid for.

    We took my now deceased father-in-law to a major New Zealand hospital for his Chemo when he was dying of Colon Cancer. This major hospital looked like something from the '60s. Paint peeling off the walls, OLD computers and on and on.

    One Dr that I see annually here in Florida was a college grad at 15. He started Med School at 16. He graduated in his specialty from Yale Med School at 23. Are you starting to 'see' now?

    Go get 'treated' overseas and then come back and brag how GREAT socilized medicine is!
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    Gary M wrote: »
    Yeah, just got back from Canada where they have socialized medicine. Yet, even though it's FANTASTIC there, when the Canadian Prime Minister needed heart surgery, where did he go? He went to America rickc. He didn't stay in Canada, he went to America.

    I and/or my wife have been 'treated' at health care facilities in the UK, (recently), the Bahamas and in New Zealand. I was INSIDE the exam rooms. It's a JOKE! All are socialized medicine countries. The UK place was in a mall!

    When I went to a clinic in New Zealand for a bad cough, the 'doctor' never asked me what meds I was taking, never took my BP, no forms..... nada. I was in/out in 10 mins and it cost me $10. He gave me a prescription for an inhaler but what if it conflicted with my regular meds? Yeah, I got what I paid for.

    We took my now deceased father-in-law to a major New Zealand hospital for his Chemo when he was dying of Colon Cancer. This major hospital looked like something from the '60s. Paint peeling off the walls, OLD computers and on and on.

    One Dr that I see annually here in Florida was a college grad at 15. He started Med School at 16. He graduated in his specialty from Yale Med School at 23. Are you starting to 'see' now?

    Go get 'treated' overseas and then come back and brag how GREAT socilized medicine is!

    yep

    The wealthy can get great health care in America and get it quick.

    America the best health care you can Afford
  • Baits OutBaits Out Senior Member Palm Beach CountyPosts: 12,328 AG
    Agree, Gary.

    My wife is a British citizen (now a full-time legal immigrant here) and would be dead had she not come here for treatment. Not going into details about what they botched.

    And, she paid a hefty premium to have service above what the "free" plan provides.

    Like most things socialist, the foundation is built on wishful feel-good delusions.

    So far as cost goes, her medical bills this last calendar year would have been almost $400,000 had we not had a reasonably priced PPO plan and only co-paid a little over 1/100th of that.

    When she was over there last year to sell her residence she was talking with her primary care doc and friend to tell her what she was receiving. The doc sad, "My word! You would have had to wait for months here."

    A southeast Florida laid back beach bum and volunteer bikini assessor who lives on island time. 
  • seajay-1seajay-1 Senior Member Posts: 4,736 Captain
    rickc wrote: »
    kind of funny how America is the only Developed country in the world that doesn't have universal health care. Oh wait I think there is one other one. South Africa. A holdover from apartheid?

    Health care is universal. It is the rising cost of it here in the USA that the LWNJ promote.
  • TXWahooTXWahoo Senior Member Miami areaPosts: 572 Officer
    My only experience with medicine in Europe....

    Late 2004, my wife has a cyst removed from one of her breasts at a US military clinic in Germany. They choose to leave the incision open "so it can drain and get air". She tells them "we are flying to Spain in 2 days" but they tell her "no worries, don't go swimming". No medication provided.

    While in Spain, it was clearly getting infected so I go to a local store and buy iodine and bandages to perform first aid on her chest. The next day we fly back to Germany and she immediately goes back to the American military clinic. They would not give her any antibiotics, told her "we are getting reports of too many dependents abusing drugs". Unbelievable incompetence.

    We then immediately go to the Krankenhaus (German hospital) where they admit her within 10 min, clean the wound, suture it, and give her antibiotics. No bill, no hassle, didn't chastise her for not speaking German, in and out under an hour. She was better within 2-3 days.

    The hospital wasn't pretty but I recall that there was not one American I know of who had any reservations about the quality of their healthcare or trusted our own American medical care more than their healthcare.
  • shadowwalkershadowwalker Senior Member fort walton beach floridaPosts: 2,200 Captain
    rickc wrote: »
    no one said anything about free. The money is there. It is just the way it is being distributed that is the problem.

    In 2014 we spent 3.8 trillion dollars on Health Care in America

    That should be plenty to cover All Americans

    The rest of the world does it very successfully
    Care to list your academic expertise on the the quality of health care for the rest of the world. I'm willing to be impressed.
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    Care to list your academic expertise on the the quality of health care for the rest of the world. I'm willing to be impressed.

    Walker your mind is made up. If you were really interested you would do your own research.
  • shadowwalkershadowwalker Senior Member fort walton beach floridaPosts: 2,200 Captain
    rickc wrote: »
    Walker your mind is made up. If you were really interested you would do your own research.
    If I were the one making the claims, I would.
  • Finger MulletFinger Mullet Senior Member Posts: 3,852 Officer
    You guys are crazy about this socialized medical care issue, we already got Medicare for folks 60+ or so, just use the same same system and change age limits, just basic care.
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    I agree. Medicare for All
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Senior Member Central NCPosts: 22,850 AG
    You guys are crazy about this socialized medical care issue, we already got Medicare for folks 60+ or so, just use the same same system and change age limits, just basic care.

    What is that?

    The cost will crush the system.
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    What is that?

    The cost will crush the system.

    we have 3.8 trillion dollars to work with without spending another dime.
  • cprcpr Senior Member dwcPosts: 9,299 Admiral
    rickc wrote: »
    I agree. Medicare for All

    In theory not a bad idea. Many physicians I've talked to agree, they can work within the rules. But fraud and corruption make it difficult to support.
    "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald

    "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
  • cadmancadman Senior Member Posts: 43,201 AG
    34% of Americans are covered by some type of government insurance. 54% are covered by an employer health plan. There are a few people who have both government and private insurance. But we are only addressing about 15% of the population that need insurance that don't already have a source. There is no need to disrupt the employer based policies.

    Once all the states expand medicaid, I bet we will only be talking about less than 10% of the population. How many of those have no insurance due to choice rather than finances.

    It is a very small group that does not have insurance due to finances and not choice.

    Former Mini Mart Magnate

    I am just here for my amusement. 

  • WraithWraith Senior Member VagrantPosts: 1,653 Captain
    cpr wrote: »
    In theory not a bad idea. Many physicians I've talked to agree, they can work within the rules. But fraud and corruption make it difficult to support.


    In 2014, 48.1 mil recipients cost $597 bil. Medicare, that is. Where's the money coming from?
    SLOP, (Standard Liberal Operating Procedure).
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Senior Member Central NCPosts: 22,850 AG
    NO ONE, not a single person, will discuss the unintended consequences of adding millions to the free-shìt train and what the impact will be on the costs when demand overwhelms supply. It seems that logic and common sense go out the window when GovCo writes the checks. Where is the motivation to continue working when slowly the government replaces the need to work to stay alive? The social cost is immeasurable.
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    Wraith wrote: »
    In 2014, 48.1 mil recipients cost $597 bil. Medicare, that is. Where's the money coming from?

    simple!

    Out of the rest of the 3.8 trillion dollars we give the insurance companies. Same money just distributed differently. Cut out a bunch of middlemen.
  • rickcrickc Senior Member Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    NO ONE, not a single person, will discuss the unintended consequences of adding millions to the free-shìt train and what the impact will be on the costs when demand overwhelms supply. It seems that logic and common sense go out the window when GovCo writes the checks. Where is the motivation to continue working when slowly the government replaces the need to work to stay alive? The social cost is immeasurable.

    Difference of opinion here. Cost are already out of control due to greed. Medicare has price controls.

    U.S.+Health+Care+Costs+vs.+the+World.jpg
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Senior Member Central NCPosts: 22,850 AG
    rickc wrote: »
    Difference of opinion here. Cost are already out of control due to greed. Medicare has price controls.

    This is seriously your answer?? Price controls? You would feel right at home in Mother Russia. Should we ration it also?
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