Gator receivers

2amigo

Just read an article on who will complement Demarcus Robinson at receiver on Gata football team. They have 9 receivers on the list with 6 of them as 4 star receivers. Its amazing to me that none of them were truly developed to be studs. It just goes to show that there is talent there but bad coaching during the Muschamp years esp. when you made an ex QB your receivers coach. I'm hoping Mac can make this group much better. Will be hard to get it rolling without much of an O-Line

Oh well. Just bored I guess and like Zimm said, this football season needs to start already.

Larry Mac

It didn't help that we had a different WR coach for like 8 years in a row. So obviously no continuity or development. Love the new guy Dixon. Players do as well. And he is big time recruiter. already had roots in SFl. I believe he will be here a few years as well.

2amigo

I agree and I think now there will be stability on the offense with attention to detail. Its a shame this much talent has gone to waste so far

ZimmerNole

There is talent, but not elite/SEC level talent. The CBs in the SEC will have no issues covering these guys, no offense. It's actually sad where UF currently is, hopefully Mac will turn the ship around.

Plus, without an OL it'll be hard for TH3 to get the ball out with the pocket collapsing all around him. I expect a LOT of boots, roll outs and designed runs for Treon this season.

Cane Pole

Gotta have a QB to have any good recievers

2amigo

ZimmerNole wrote: »

There is talent, but not elite/SEC level talent. The CBs in the SEC will have no issues covering these guys, no offense. It's actually sad where UF currently is, hopefully Mac will turn the ship around.

Plus, without an OL it'll be hard for TH3 to get the ball out with the pocket collapsing all around him. I expect a LOT of boots, roll outs and designed runs for Treon this season.

The point here is there are 6 4 star wide recievers who could be elite talent with the right coaching. Amari Cooper was a 4 star wideout along with others in the SEC with elite talent. Some are even 3 stars who blossomed with the right coaching

ZimmerNole

2amigo wrote: »

The point here is there are 6 4 star wide recievers who could be elite talent with the right coaching. Amari Cooper was a 4 star wideout along with others in the SEC with elite talent. Some are even 3 stars who blossomed with the right coaching

I agree, but playing Muschamp ball, playing not to lose etc has caused the gata to be out-recruited at many skill postions.

It's shaping up to be another ugly year in Hogtown.

Jesus Wilson, 5-10, 185, Jr., 3 stars

Ermon Lane, 6-3, 205, So., 5 stars

George Campbell, 6-4, 202, Fr., 5 stars

Kermit Whitfield, 5-8, 184, Jr., 4 stars

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Travis Rudolph, 6-1, 186, So., 4 stars

Ja’Vonn Harrison, 6-2, 202, So., 4 stars

Da’Vante Phillips, 6-1, 210, Fr., 4 stars

For comparison.

Salty Gator

No doubt that the receivers have been poorly developed. There are plenty of talented players in the mix and Mac will find a few to step up. Receiver is the one position on this team that has the numbers and talent for an immediate turn around. As mentioned above, it will be tough if the QB has no time to get the ball out, but this group will be an improvement over last year.

ZimmerNole

This group is definitley better than last year.

OL is the biggest question mark, as it can be the leading indicator of season performance for ANY team.

2amigo

ZimmerNole wrote: »

I agree, but playing Muschamp ball, playing not to lose etc has caused the gata to be out-recruited at many skill postions.

It's shaping up to be another ugly year in Hogtown.

Jesus Wilson, 5-10, 185, Jr., 3 stars

Ermon Lane, 6-3, 205, So., 5 stars

George Campbell, 6-4, 202, Fr., 5 stars

Kermit Whitfield, 5-8, 184, Jr., 4 stars

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Travis Rudolph, 6-1, 186, So., 4 stars

Ja’Vonn Harrison, 6-2, 202, So., 4 stars

Da’Vante Phillips, 6-1, 210, Fr., 4 stars

For comparison.

So your 4 4 star wide receivers are better than our 6 4 star wide receivers? The potential to be better is (was) there due to coaching. But maybe not anymore if Coach Mac is the real deal. if you fully read my post, I AM blaming Muschamp. That is the point of the post. You are explaining to me what I posted and already know. And if you read what Salty posted and maybe looked at our receiving roster you get what I am saying. You talk without reading a lot I notice

Robpelot

One thing that Coach Mac has always been known for apparently is developing wide outs. I have a feeling that the gators will surprise people this year.
The O-Line will grow through the year, but I cant imagine they will be worse than in 2013 under Mike Summers

JaxNole

2amigo wrote: »

So your 4 4 star wide receivers are better than our 6 4 star wide receivers? The potential to be better is (was) there due to coaching. But maybe not anymore if Coach Mac is the real deal. if you fully read my post, I AM blaming Muschamp. That is the point of the post. You are explaining to me what I posted and already know. And if you read what Salty posted and maybe looked at our receiving roster you get what I am saying. You talk without reading a lot I notice

Go Gata fans have been saying the same thing every year since the Hamburglar came to hogtown.

Salty Gator

JaxNole wrote: »

Go Gata fans have been saying the same thing every year since the Hamburglar came to hogtown.

Agreed. Opinions and hope are always in ample supply at the start of a season. This year however, there has been a coaching change. Muschamp is gone and Mac has historically run a more balanced offense. Still only speculation as is everything else in the preseason but the optimism is justified.

OL is a different story. The Gators have a few solid players but the numbers and experience just aren't there.

Captjohn5150

I'm going to go out on a limb here, it's not a reach you see......the first game of the season for UF hasn't even started yet....but I want to say...This is going to be one hell of a loooooooooooooong season.......and it's going to make last years chilly willy year look like a national title run.....UF is catching a shiiiiiit load of loaded teams that want blood....only two so called real teams that UF might beat are candy vandy and A rebuilding FSU.....and those scrub games....but USC, UK, UT, UGA, loss....who else am I missing...I'm thinking not very good year...bad O line, shakes the QB, drops the wide nonrecievers, only thing we have going is a couple of running backs in question and vermon hardhits....what we got maybe a 4 person team right now...FSU isn't much better off either as 90 percent of that team went off to the NFL or is currently off the team for beating up young ladies...they have some big holes as well...but still better off than UF...I might just pass on this year.....

Larry Mac

I actually am excited about this season. Not looking for much in terms of record , but expect to see young players develop. I'm going out on a limb and say if we have minimal injuries to the OL, that we will get at least 7 wins.
Ivey already looks like a starter. He'll have some growing pains( holding), but watch have fast he develops. Can't stress no injuries. We can actually put a competitive OL out there as a starting five. Sharpe, Ivey, Thurman, Riles, Halter. After that is some talent but no experience., Desir, Dillard. After that is walkons -- pizza delivery guys etc. LOL no injuries please. Coach Mac's staff will coach them up. Just watch, be patient and enjoy the learning curve from decent coaching for a change.
Btw-- watch this Twitter exchange from Coach Mac and our transfer TE Jake McGee
( never see this from Muschump)

Captjohn5150

It's possible for a 7 win year...we play 4 scrub teams, and a bad vandy..that gets us up to 5... Need to find a way to hit number 6 maybe FSU, then a bowl game....the lipstick on a pig bowl game in shiztville, ND...population 312, best draw when the big game comes to town in dec. 28......3000 out of towners are the sole income for the town other than the every so often lost tourist...

Larry Mac

I thought I was most pessimistic Gator fan.
Guess not. Again it all depends on the season long health of the OL. Summers is a great teacher. Mac will pick our strengths and focus on that. If the OL stays intact, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Relax. There is a plan.

cadman

ZimmerNole wrote: »

There is talent, but not elite/SEC level talent. The CBs in the SEC will have no issues covering these guys, no offense. It's actually sad where UF currently is, hopefully Mac will turn the ship around.

Plus, without an OL it'll be hard for TH3 to get the ball out with the pocket collapsing all around him. I expect a LOT of boots, roll outs and designed runs for Treon this season.

Treon is not the starting quarterback. Not from what I hear.

navigator2

cadman wrote: »

Treon is not the starting quarterback. Not from what I hear.

I was thinking the same thing. You are close enough to hear the screams from your store. :grin

ZimmerNole

cadman wrote: »

Treon is not the starting quarterback. Not from what I hear.

Grier?

Go gata could win 7 games, with good injury luck.

Y'all's depth is the biggest issue (mentioned earlier by Capt and Larry...pizza guys LOL) Also, what happens when that starting 5 starts to sub/rotate. Things may get a little interesting late in games with that OL.

EDIT:

Just saw this

Florida redshirt freshman QB Will Grier has gained a significant amount of weight and now stands at 215 lbs.

Grier was listed at 195 lbs during his recruitment and then at 200 lbs last season. The gators open practice on Thursday, and Grier seems to be the frontrunner for the No. 1 job. He fits what new head coach Jim McElwain has previously used at the position, although McElwain also considers mobility a positive. The biggest question for the Gators will be their offensive line.

cadman

ZimmerNole wrote: »

Grier?

Go gata could win 7 games, with good injury luck.

Y'all's depth is the biggest issue (mentioned earlier by Capt and Larry...pizza guys LOL) Also, what happens when that starting 5 starts to sub/rotate. Things may get a little interesting late in games with that OL.

EDIT:

Just saw this

It's Grier's job to lose at this point. Everyone agrees that our offensive line is our biggest problem. But we may surprise a few people. I have us winning 8 with a little luck and no injuries. But I am optimistic. Treon will play, but Grier will be the starter. Everyone will know which way we are heading by Tennessee.

Spineyman

I'm just ready to get this party started. It should only get better from here on out.

Howbigwazthat

Well hell they can't be an worst can they?

Spineyman

Howbigwazthat wrote: »

Well hell they can't be an worst can they?

No at least we seem to have a real coach now. Just take some time to get back up to speed. The worst part about the last few years was all the talent wasted under Willie.

Howbigwazthat

Spineyman wrote: »

No at least we seem to have a real coach now. Just take some time to get back up to speed. The worst part about the last few years was all the talent wasted under Willie.

As an outsidr looking in I didn't see much talent on offense to have been "wasted". The D was talented and not "wasted"

Spineyman

Howbigwazthat wrote: »

As an outsidr looking in I didn't see much talent on offense to have been "wasted". The D was talented and not "wasted"

The talent was there but the coaching them up was surely not. Muschamp didn't believe in offense, just defense keeping you in the game.

Howbigwazthat

Spineyman wrote: »

The talent was there but the coaching them up was surely not. Muschamp didn't believe in offense, just defense keeping you in the game.

I'll take your word on it but I didn't see many players on offense I wouldve wanted on my team.

Spineyman

Howbigwazthat wrote: »

I'll take your word on it but I didn't see many players on offense I wouldve wanted on my team.

They were there, just absolutely stupid play calling.

ZimmerNole

Aside from VHIII, Tabor and Fowler there weren't many.

Demarcus Robinson and Max Garcia would've started for FSU, who else?

HONEST QUESTION HERE:

If OL is my biggest concern for my team, wouldn't y'all want a mobile QB such as Treon? I know I would.

How mobile is Grier? I thought he was more of a prototypical pocket passing QB? I may be wrong, which is okay considering I haven't seen much of Grier since he was a highly touted recruit and going to end the struggles of the Gata QBs (Murphy, Brissett, Moringwhig etc).

With a shoddy OL, give me the athlete who can make some moves with his feet, scramble out of the pocket when it collapses and at least get some positive yardage with his feet.

Similar arguement? My case for Golson versus Maguire with a young and inexperienced (yet talented) OL at FSU this year.

sk018

ZimmerNole wrote: »

Aside from VHIII, Tabor and Fowler there weren't many.

Demarcus Robinson and Max Garcia would've started for FSU, who else?

HONEST QUESTION HERE:

If OL is my biggest concern for my team, wouldn't y'all want a mobile QB such as Treon? I know I would.

How mobile is Grier? I thought he was more of a prototypical pocket passing QB? I may be wrong, which is okay considering I haven't seen much of Grier since he was a highly touted recruit and going to end the struggles of the Gata QBs (Murphy, Brissett, Moringwhig etc).

With a shoddy OL, give me the athlete who can make some moves with his feet, scramble out of the pocket when it collapses and at least get some positive yardage with his feet.

Similar arguement? My case for Golson versus Maguire with a young and inexperienced (yet talented) OL at FSU this year.

A flip side to that argument is: Give me the qb that can make quick decisions and get the ball out of his hands, not stare down the rush and look to run..

ZimmerNole

sk018 wrote: »

A flip side to that argument is: Give me the qb that can make quick decisions and get the ball out of his hands, not stare down the rush and look to run..

Fair enough, and in the NFL I agree whole heartedly. In CFB, QBs can be much more effective as scramblers, hence why many of those QBs do not translate (or didn't translate in the past into the NFL well)

That point also would mean you need more of a quick west coast, dink and dunk offense that has mostly plays in which routes/plays don't need time to develop. That also implies great timing between the snap, QB and WR. Quick slants, outs and curls can get you down field, sure.

It also implies that you have great WRs that will seperate and get open quick...which is unproven in the case of UF this year outside of DRob IMHO.