On the other thread, the issue of HMS permits for Kayaks came up.
Here is the response from Margo at HMS
Thanks for the email. Atlantic federal HMS fishing permits are vessel permits and kayaks are vessels so yes, to fish for HMS from a kayak, the kayak needs to be permitted. Kayaks would need to have either a state or USGC registration number to get an HMS permit on the website - that is possible and we have issued permits to registered kayaks so the process is proven. The HMS regulation citations for permitting and reporting of sailfish at 50 CFR 635.4 and 645.5(c)(2), respectively, would apply. Please let me know if you have additional questions. Thanks and I hope you have a good weekend. Margo
Thanks Ron for going the extra mile.
Probably easier than a $20 permit that you can get online!
I know my FL fishing license is about $24 a year having a Veterans Gold Card for everything. $20 on a HMS permit is a drop in the bucket to be totally legal. Especially compared to the new Shimano Torsa I just got, don't tell the wife how much that thing cost :grin
Heard you had a HAPPY DAY Sportfishing today.:cool
I went to Walmart & found a large plastic jar in the housewares section that fits in my yak pretty well. I drilled a 1/4" hole in the top for an air hose, & wrapped a tie wrap around it to secure a Baby Bubbles aspirator that runs on 2 AA batteries. It will keep about 3 dozen shrimp or a half dozen mullet frisky for the better part of a day. When the critters start looking tired, I change the water.
I also have a fish basket that I hang over the side. It will keep lots of live bait in good shape for a looong time. Unfortunately, I need to pull it out of the water when I paddle. My bubbler jar (described above) will keep a dozen & a half mullet alive long enough to let me paddle a mile or two, then I need to stop & let the critters run around in the basket for a while to freshen up.
This is a low budget solution for someone that only goes yak fishing occasionally. If the yak were my main mode of getting out on the water, I would have built a bait well with a constant loss circulating system.
I have a Lorance Elite 3x depth finder that I use in my yak. I run it off of a small sealed lead acid battery that I recharge when I get back to shore. The unit draws about 3/4 of an amp. You need to figure the amp-hour capacity of the battery based on how long you want it to last. I mounted the transducer on some 3/4" PVC pipe that I attach to the yak with bungee cords. This lets the transducer kick up when I run ashore. This unit works very well for me. I have not deep-6ed it yet. I bought the extended warranty when I got it because I expect that this will happen eventually.
If you are thinking about taking a yak offshore, your primary concern should probably be safety equipment & the ability to communicate if you find yourself in trouble. Getting a cramp while kayaking alone offshore is a life threatening situation.
My kayak, an Ocean Kayak Torque is FL registered because it has a trolling motor. Any vessel in FL that has a motor, regardless of length, needs to be registered. I display it on my $8.99 HD crate, not a Dean Milk crate; don't want to be arrested like that poor homeless guys a few weeks ago. The decal wouldn't stick well to the polyethylene.
I seem to remember that the rules say that you need to post the numbers on both sides of the bow & the sticker on the port side, next to the numbers. Are the rules somehow different for kayaks?
Question 2: Are kayaks vessels? Serious question. For many areas of the law they have been left in the gray area and in some cases declared not vessels.
Question 3: If the State does not require a kayak to be registered, (a government agency which we all know ticket/charge/fine everything they possibly can) then how does the backwards method of needing a HMS which means needing to register make sense? What I mean is, if we had to register kayaks, and registered vessels needed HMS permits, that makes total sense. But even the State says kayaks do not need to be registered. Therefore it's confusing to me that well they don't need to be registered but if you want to fish well yea go ahead. Seems very backwards.
Also please don't take this the wrong way and I want to keep this thread civil but I am more weary of accepting answers from biased sources. What I mean is I would prefer a third party mediator over someone that (clearly) had a strong opinion on the matter. That goes for either side of the argument. But it doesn't surprise me Ron got the answer he wanted.
For what it's worth I am not opposed to the idea of needing an HMS permit as that is funding in regards to a fishery, but I am vehemently opposed to registering a kayak. That defeats half the purpose of the sport. We are dudes floating around on non-motorized 10ft pieces of plastic.
Enlighten me.....Why does registering a kayak defeat half the purpose of a kayak?
The state will let you do anything that they can charge you a fee to do, I'm sure !!
Absolutely, and I agree. But it's NOT a requirement.
This is a good explanation and makes sense. Thank you.
Ha, I was getting all keyboard passionate and speaking in exaggerated terms, but the need to register kayaks does seem extreme. 10ft piece of floating plastic. Next would be paddle boards and then surf boards.
The beauty of kayak fishing (that a lot miss in this forum) is the lax attitude. No trailer, no motor, hardly any maintenance. No planning. I woke up at 9 yesterday and decided I wanted to paddle out. 15 minutes later I was paddling off the beach in Boyton. Jumped a nice cow and slammed flag yellow tails. I've owned (and sold) several boats in my day but I will always have a kayak. We're not a bunch of poor googans without a clue. We're just nuts and enjoy "Old man and the Sea" style fishing.