Gator Phase 2 results

Walker Dog

Why can't they put you at the end of the line if you already declined a tag you were awarded that year? Give a preference point to those who miss in the first round to increase their chances in the second round maybe.

I don't really know all the history of the issues as well as someone like bgeorge, because I'm not planning on going anytime soon. Just seems like there are some obvious improvements that could be made. My understanding is that supply used to exceed demand and so the current program made more sense because they could get all the tags issued. Seems like it's flipped now so the demand is much greater than supply so the 69 dollar thing no longer makes sense and fewer people should get multiple tags than what was common in the past.

Gone_Fishing

They exclude non-buyers from Phase 2. Maybe they should exclude them from the new Phase 3 as well

mikefm58

From http://www.myfwc.com/media/3008836/alligator_new_process.pdf

- A person can be awarded up to five permits, cumulatively, across all random drawing phases

Isn't that lovely, me and my buddies could end up with no tags, and someone else if they're lucky enough can walk away with 5. This crap is a huge waste of my time,

:mad

gottheitch22

Couple more years the demand will die down after swamp people effect looses its appeal .

bgeorge

What I have been pushing for is that we create a technical group on the process. It is amazing what can come out of people sitting around and interactively pushing ideas around. The method of survey and do what we want is not the best solution. For the life of me I can not see how taking the time to put people in a room that are willing to come and discuss the subject has any down side. They thought they fixed it last year.

This year was an attempt to ensure there was no meltdown on the FCFS and the issuing process would run without hang-up. I believe it is a success in that manor. As others have noted those who put 20 choices are at times really digging deep. No not everyone but for many they are real unsure. For those trying to tie up permits it is just more options to get one to move to the next phase.

One solution I proposed is if we go to auto charge if drawn, is to charge the agent fees if they turn back the permit. That way the people who apply in groups to hunt and choose the best will have agent licenses that they will need any ways.

As permit application success gets lower the more people are applying. Let me explain. Back a number of years ago we applied and got permits just in our names so that we can hunt. As the odds got less likely that we would be drawn we started putting in many more friends and family to ensure that we were not going to go without a hunt. I am sure that many others are doing the same thing.

All concerns aside I know that in FL you have a much better chance of being able to participate in an alligator hunt than any other State. Many States it is years before you have any chance of getting a permit.

bgeorge

mikefm58 wrote: »

From http://www.myfwc.com/media/3008836/alligator_new_process.pdf

- A person can be awarded up to five permits, cumulatively, across all random drawing phases

Isn't that lovely, me and my buddies could end up with no tags, and someone else if they're lucky enough can walk away with 5. This crap is a huge waste of my time,

:mad

Last year I spoke at the June commission meeting and mentioned this exact thing. No person should get extras before everyone has a chance to get the first one. The problem is that may mean having many more draws or go to a FCFS, for those with none, after the first two draws. That would eliminate most of the attempt to tie up permits so that we can get extra cheap tags in latter rounds.

This is not all swamp people driven. It has a lot to do with the alligator market. Meat prices up and hides are movable. While this hunt is often perceived as recreational it is a commercial permit and those looking to make money are just doing good business. If the financial gain is not there then the more commercial side will scale back and the recreational people will have permits to spare. Not to many years back, I maxed out a credit card for someone with 100 extra sets of tags. Meat was down and hides were not moving well.

icy1155

I think an easy way to eliminate people from "saving" licenses for future draws is to make is so that if you didn't apply for the previous phase you are not allowed to apply for the current one. That way, only people who were unsuccessful in phase I apply for phase II. If they were awarded a tag and did or didn't pay they are out of phase II and it keeps people from having new friends apply for phase II to lock up the tags for the next round. Phase III is only open to people who applied to Phase I and bought their tags, Phase II and bought their tags or Phase II and didn't get tags, with the last group getting preference in the draw for phase III. Then, for phase IV they can open it up to whoever wants to buy the tags if there are still some available.

UCF HUNTER

Blanked also, not sure im fond of the new system yet..........

jpatz18

bgeorge wrote: »

What I have been pushing for is that we create a technical group on the process. It is amazing what can come out of people sitting around and interactively pushing ideas around. The method of survey and do what we want is not the best solution. For the life of me I can not see how taking the time to put people in a room that are willing to come and discuss the subject has any down side. They thought they fixed it last year.

This year was an attempt to ensure there was no meltdown on the FCFS and the issuing process would run without hang-up. I believe it is a success in that manor. As others have noted those who put 20 choices are at times really digging deep. No not everyone but for many they are real unsure. For those trying to tie up permits it is just more options to get one to move to the next phase.

One solution I proposed is if we go to auto charge if drawn, is to charge the agent fees if they turn back the permit. That way the people who apply in groups to hunt and choose the best will have agent licenses that they will need any ways.

As permit application success gets lower the more people are applying. Let me explain. Back a number of years ago we applied and got permits just in our names so that we can hunt. As the odds got less likely that we would be drawn we started putting in many more friends and family to ensure that we were not going to go without a hunt. I am sure that many others are doing the same thing.

All concerns aside I know that in FL you have a much better chance of being able to participate in an alligator hunt than any other State. Many States it is years before you have any chance of getting a permit.

In my opinion the best way to stop the rollover and all the family members putting in is simple. CHARGE the card. They will stop groups from applying, or they eat the 272.xx. Which will only most likely have 1 phase and the 2nd phase is leftover the same that get leftover ever year. If the charge get declined moved to the next person in line for that tag. Im not against groups, but there no sense in tying up the tags and rolling them over to the next phase. The lottery could be done with 1-2 days.

As you say Bill at least charge them the agent fee. It still wont stop groups of people putting in because, as you said they need it anyways. The only way to stop groups that don't intend in buying 4-10 tags is simple charge the 272.xx. Now it wont hurt the guides because they want all the tags they can get. But surely wont hurt the average hunter as well on the ones that put every one they know in to maximize there chances.

The 20 choices as most people know you do not have to fill out all 20. if you only have 10 then fill out 10. You dont have to dig deep to fill in all 20

bswiv

bgeorge wrote: »

What I have been pushing for is that we create a technical group on the process. It is amazing what can come out of people sitting around and interactively pushing ideas around. The method of survey and do what we want is not the best solution. For the life of me I can not see how taking the time to put people in a room that are willing to come and discuss the subject has any down side. They thought they fixed it last year.

This year was an attempt to ensure there was no meltdown on the FCFS and the issuing process would run without hang-up. I believe it is a success in that manor. As others have noted those who put 20 choices are at times really digging deep. No not everyone but for many they are real unsure. For those trying to tie up permits it is just more options to get one to move to the next phase.

One solution I proposed is if we go to auto charge if drawn, is to charge the agent fees if they turn back the permit. That way the people who apply in groups to hunt and choose the best will have agent licenses that they will need any ways.

As permit application success gets lower the more people are applying. Let me explain. Back a number of years ago we applied and got permits just in our names so that we can hunt. As the odds got less likely that we would be drawn we started putting in many more friends and family to ensure that we were not going to go without a hunt. I am sure that many others are doing the same thing.

All concerns aside I know that in FL you have a much better chance of being able to participate in an alligator hunt than any other State. Many States it is years before you have any chance of getting a permit.

Not a bad idea at all. Louann and I serve on the Central Bear Group and would surely find time for the few meeting that hashing out the gator issue would take.

Really good idea!

JoshW

Nada

TheDude727

Skunked here also. When does phase 3 start? Is that a first come first serve?

jpatz18

TheDude727 wrote: »

Skunked here also. When does phase 3 start? Is that a first come first serve?

Phase I: Random Drawing
Application Period: April 20-30, 2015
Permit Pickup Deadline: May 14, 2015
Phase II: Random Drawing
Application Period: May 18-28, 2015
Permit Pickup Deadline: June 11, 2015
Phase III: Random Drawing (New Phase)
Applications: June 15-25, 2015
Charges Posted: June 29, 2015
Leftovers Phase: Immediate Issuance
July 1, 2015 until sold out

icy1155

Well Phase 2 is done. By my count it looks like there will be a total of 524 tags in Phase 3.

Gone_Fishing

Phase 3 will be random draw with 5 applications.

Seems like fewer permits left this year. Still trying for one

gatorhunter

There are still some good locations available, but allowing anyone to apply and allowing 5 applications will make it more difficult for those that have not been awarded a permit yet.

Gone_Fishing

Now we move on to Phase 3. Good luck to everyone

Panhandler80

Just submitted two applications. Am I correct in that if drawn in Phase 3 you are automatically billed the $63

icy1155

If you have already purchased one license, all future ones for that year are $62ish. The first one is $275ish. So... maybe? Depends on if you have already spent the $275

Panhandler80

Yeah... I got drawn in phase 2 and purchased it. In phase the it's only one choice per application and you must provide credit card number. I'm all about making folks purchase what they apply for. What's frustrating is that I don't want to win BOTH of the ones i applied for in phase three.... Not likely, but it could happen and that will be more than i want to spend and more than I'll want to hunt. Winning one of the two would be ideal though... Just not both.

bgeorge

Panhandler80 wrote: »

Just submitted two applications. Am I correct in that if drawn in Phase 3 you are automatically billed the $63

If you were to be so lucky as to have both drawn you would be charged for both. The person who only wants one permit is at a real disadvantage to those who will take all they can get. That is unless you want to manipulate the system ...

Just back from family vacation and will look at the data soon. Looks like a lot of permits available that people were reject from and willing to pay full price for. I know that everyone in my group that has been unsuccessful in the last two rounds have at least 12 of their choices still available. Now successful people can pick them up for cheap. Despite my dislike for it I will be trying to get more tags.

Certain people who are willing to get as many permits as they can and pay the prices will be at a real advantage in round 3 . They no longer have to deal with the hassles of FCFS and the number of computers that they can have processing applications. Load up the credit card and put in everyone you know for as many tags as you can get.

Wapiti

I applied for the first time this year. Ended up with orange county tags. Should be a hoot.