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  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    how come no one is complaining that Camp Maitens (member of the national CCA Board of Directors) improperly filled out his financial disclosure form?

    just curious
  • HuckleberryHuckleberry Posts: 180 Officer
    BubbaII wrote: »
    how come no one is complaining that Camp Maitens (member of the national CCA Board of Directors) improperly filled out his financial disclosure form?

    just curious

    Because, thats their boy. YO!
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 606 Officer
    BubbaII wrote: »
    how come no one is complaining that Camp Maitens (member of the national CCA Board of Directors) improperly filled out his financial disclosure form?

    just curious

    As I previously stated:

    If you have evidence of one of the Gulf council members no matter who it is that they are possibly violating the MSA then feel free to post that information up and unlike you and your EDF ilk we won't pay favorites and we will file a complaint against him too.

    Unlike you and your EDF ilk we want fairness across the council and we don't care if it's a CCA or an EDF crony violating the MSA, a lawbreaker is a lawbreaker, no matter their sleazy affiliation.

    You are free to complain, if you have a valid complaint. If you have a valid complaint about Camp Maitens of the CCA to keep yourself intellectually honest and consistent you will also have to complain about your political plants, Gill, Green, Perret and Pearce because the facts bear out that the complaints on them are right and valid, if not you are a double speaking hypocrite, but we already knew that.

    AN ARTICLE IN JADA (JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION) IN 2001 HAS THE ADMISSION THAT FLUORIDE SWALLOWED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE TEETH IS "INSUFFICIENT TO HAVE A MEASURABLE EFFECT" ON REDUCING CAVITIES."

    THE NOW CORRUPTED MEDIA MANIPULATES BY USING ORWELLIAN NEWSPEAK. In Orwell's words, Newspeak was "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak seeks to eliminate or alter certain words that do not fit the media's ideological agenda. In Orwell's novel 1984 Newspeak is a way of controlling the people's language in order to keep the peons under ideological control.Newspeak is deceptive and deceitful as it stifles free speech and only allows only certain approved words, phrases and ideas to be used while other words are forbidden.

    Fauci's "Gain of Function" is newspeak for enhancing the contagiousness of a virus for use as a biological weapon in war. It was dumb, stupid and a threat to national security for the US  government with Fauci's blessing to help fund biological weapons enhancement in an arch enemy's country.  When Fauci used and pushed the euphemistic misnomer deceptive term "gain of function" the con was on.

    "Gain of Function" newspeak for "Viral Biological Warfare Weapons Enhancement".

    "Undocumented Immigrant" newspeak for "illegal alien".

    "Progressive" newspeak for "Marxist".

    "Dreamers" newspeak for "illegal aliens".

    "Immigration Reform" newspeak for "illegal alien amnesty".

    "Xenophobia" newspeak for those that want border security.

    "Gun control" newspeak for "confiscate your guns".

    "Pro-choice" newspeak for "pro-abortion".

    "Math is racist" newspeak for "we are too lazy to learn math".

    "Critical Race Theory" newspeak for "Reverse Discrimination Marxism".

    When a snake oil salesman knows that the snake oil does not sell with the accurate name he simply changes the name to the NEWSPEAK euphemistic misnomer "Magic Medicinal Elixir" to sell his misrepresented product otherwise not sellable.



  • drgibbydrgibby Posts: 1,873 Captain
    As I previously stated:

    If you have evidence of one of the Gulf council members no matter who it is that they are possibly violating the MSA then feel free to post that information up and unlike you and your EDF ilk we won't pay favorites and we will file a complaint against him too.

    Unlike you and your EDF ilk we want fairness across the council and we don't care if it's a CCA or an EDF crony violating the MSA, a lawbreaker is a lawbreaker, no matter their sleazy affiliation.

    You are free to complain, if you have a valid complaint. If you have a valid complaint about Camp Maitens of the CCA to keep yourself intellectually honest and consistent you will also have to complain about your political plants, Gill, Green, Perret and Pearce because the facts bear out that the complaints on them are right and valid, if not you are a double speaking hypocrite, but we already knew that.

    Amen!
    That Crabtree is sure convincing....NOT, He couldn`t see a conflict of interest if it had him by the nads! On the other hand, I guess it isn`t a conflict of interest if it fits YOUR agenda.................
  • notreelynotreely Posts: 653 Officer
    Some of you are Getting hung up on minor disclosure infractions by council members. Remember these so called disclosure infractions would have to be knowingly and willingly done, a very hard standard to prove. If you still think this a serious infraction, then i guess you should be outraged by the state directors having a private meeting to craft the GRSMA. The state directors are technically council members, those members ( and possibly their designates) secretly gathered and colluded to subjugate the FMP. No minutes are available and no public or industry allowed to observe or participate.i do believe it is illegal for council members to have a private off the record meeting about a federal fishery management plan. Federal legislators could have crafted this plan with representatives from other states in consultation from their own states directors. To have a cabal of council members meeting in secret to craft a plan is disgusting and probably illegal.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 606 Officer
    notreely wrote: »
    Some of you are Getting hung up on minor disclosure infractions by council members. Remember these so called disclosure infractions would have to be knowingly and willingly done, a very hard standard to prove. If you still think this a serious infraction, then i guess you should be outraged by the state directors having a private meeting to craft the GRSMA. The state directors are technically council members, those members ( and possibly their designates) secretly gathered and colluded to subjugate the FMP. No minutes are available and no public or industry allowed to observe or participate.i do believe it is illegal for council members to have a private off the record meeting about a federal fishery management plan. Federal legislators could have crafted this plan with representatives from other states in consultation from their own states directors. To have a cabal of council members meeting in secret to craft a plan is disgusting and probably illegal.


    I already proved beyond a reasonable doubt in another thread using Harlon Pearce's own words in the minutes of the October 1014 Council meeting that he purposely and willfully did not disclose his financial interests with GSI until he was busted by the FRA. Pearce's own words proved he knew all along about the financial statement requirement and that GSI had to be listed but he willfully chose to not list GSI as a financial interest. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!

    "To have a cabal of council members meeting in secret to craft a plan is disgusting and probably illegal."

    You mean like Pearce, Greene, Perret and Gill being paid by the taxpayers while three are voting members of the council and, the other, Gill, is on the gulf council SSC and until the council sleazily changed the law back in October 2014 to help their good buddy Gill now be eligible when Gill was ineligible to be on the SSC before that vote, but it was not retroactive so he was ineligible before the vote and was made questionably eligible with a vote that conveniently included Pearce, Perret and Greene all the while all 4 Perret, Gill, Pearce and Greene are lobbyists with a personal financial interest that are lobbyists for GSI. Voting to make your GSI Board of Director buddy Gill who was illegally ineligible for the SSC to now be eligible is more than likely illegal in itself. It's like your buddy unlawfully robs a bank and instead of making him accountable to the law they just change the law to make bank robbery legal for him.

    Furthermore, Gill illegally lobbied for the Ocean Conservancy before his 2 year ban on lobbying NGO's like the OC ended. Taxpayers get testy when they know that Pearce, Greene and Perret and Gill are double dipping the taxpayers who they are charged and took an oath to represent all the while the 4 named really represent the special interests of the GSI who they are all on the GSI Board of Directors. Sleazy is as Sleazy does!

    If you have evidence of this secret collusion you speak of then please post it up.

    AN ARTICLE IN JADA (JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION) IN 2001 HAS THE ADMISSION THAT FLUORIDE SWALLOWED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE TEETH IS "INSUFFICIENT TO HAVE A MEASURABLE EFFECT" ON REDUCING CAVITIES."

    THE NOW CORRUPTED MEDIA MANIPULATES BY USING ORWELLIAN NEWSPEAK. In Orwell's words, Newspeak was "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak seeks to eliminate or alter certain words that do not fit the media's ideological agenda. In Orwell's novel 1984 Newspeak is a way of controlling the people's language in order to keep the peons under ideological control.Newspeak is deceptive and deceitful as it stifles free speech and only allows only certain approved words, phrases and ideas to be used while other words are forbidden.

    Fauci's "Gain of Function" is newspeak for enhancing the contagiousness of a virus for use as a biological weapon in war. It was dumb, stupid and a threat to national security for the US  government with Fauci's blessing to help fund biological weapons enhancement in an arch enemy's country.  When Fauci used and pushed the euphemistic misnomer deceptive term "gain of function" the con was on.

    "Gain of Function" newspeak for "Viral Biological Warfare Weapons Enhancement".

    "Undocumented Immigrant" newspeak for "illegal alien".

    "Progressive" newspeak for "Marxist".

    "Dreamers" newspeak for "illegal aliens".

    "Immigration Reform" newspeak for "illegal alien amnesty".

    "Xenophobia" newspeak for those that want border security.

    "Gun control" newspeak for "confiscate your guns".

    "Pro-choice" newspeak for "pro-abortion".

    "Math is racist" newspeak for "we are too lazy to learn math".

    "Critical Race Theory" newspeak for "Reverse Discrimination Marxism".

    When a snake oil salesman knows that the snake oil does not sell with the accurate name he simply changes the name to the NEWSPEAK euphemistic misnomer "Magic Medicinal Elixir" to sell his misrepresented product otherwise not sellable.



  • CaptBobBryantCaptBobBryant Posts: 5,716 Officer
    BubbaII wrote: »
    how come no one is complaining that Camp Maitens (member of the national CCA Board of Directors) improperly filled out his financial disclosure form?

    just curious

    I saw that...and Campo did "improperly" fill out his form...

    The 3 in question were on the board of GSI since 2012 and only now (AFTER THEY WERE CAUGHT) disclosed....that is not being improper, that is being deceitful
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  • notreelynotreely Posts: 653 Officer
    March 13, 2015 To Whom It May Concern: Management of the red snapper fishery in the Gulf of Mexico continues to be a major challenge with increasing dissatisfaction among anglers and serious calls for restructuring the Gulf red snapper management system. As a result, a number of proposals and various drafts of legislation for changing this system have emerged. Recognizing that significant changes are being considered, the marine fisheries directors from the five Gulf States have been engaged in an effort to develop and document an alternative to the current management strategy that has mutual agreement and support. Together, we have developed a framework for cooperative state-based management of Gulf red snapper; the enclosed document outlines the conceptual elements of that plan. Under this alternative concept, the Gulf States would coordinate management of red snapper throughout the Gulf of Mexico through a new, independent body called the Gulf States Red Snapper Management Authority (GSRSMA). The GSRSMA would be comprised of the principle marine fisheries managers from each Gulf States, and the management authority for Gulf red snapper would no longer reside within the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council. The GSRSMA framework outlines a straightforward process that would allow states to use flexible management approaches to manage red snapper to meet local needs as well as Gulf-wide conservation goals. Each state would be responsible for all management of red snapper in their respective state and adjacent federal waters. The GSRSMA would approve each state’s management plan, coordinate population assessments, provide consistent accountability measures, and distribute federal funding for research, assessment, and management. Each state fisheries management agency places great value in working together in partnership and collaboration to ensure we have a robust, sustainable, and accessible red snapper fishery in the Gulf. The states recognize tThank you for the opportunity to present to you the GSRSMA concept agreed upon by each state. If there are any questions or comments about the concept, please do not hesitate to contact any of us directly. Sincerely, Robin Riechers Randy Pausina Director of Coastal Fisheries Assistant Secretary, Office of Fisheries Texas Parks and Wildlife Department Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries Jamie Miller Chris Blankenship Executive Director Director, Marine Resources Division Mississippi Department of Marine Resources Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources Jessica McCawley Director, Division of Marine Fisheries Management Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission he importance of the red snapper fishery to the fabric and identity of local communities throughout the Gulf as well as the tremendous economic impact that it provides each state.

    Looks like collusion by 5 members to me!
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    I saw that...and Campo did "improperly" fill out his form...

    The 3 in question were on the board of GSI since 2012 and only now (AFTER THEY WERE CAUGHT) disclosed....that is not being improper, that is being deceitful

    Not in Roy Crabtree's mind.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Tarpon - watch the name calling please.
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    As I previously stated:

    If you have evidence of one of the Gulf council members no matter who it is that they are possibly violating the MSA then feel free to post that information up and unlike you and your EDF ilk we won't pay favorites and we will file a complaint against him too.

    to keep yourself intellectually honest and consistent you will also have to complain about ... Gill, Green, Perret and Pearce

    The evidence was the disclosure form posted on the web site (in some earlier thread I said y'all got me curious and I went and reviewed all the forms of the appointed members), and its now been replaced with a the "proper" one. Apparently, Capt. Bob was aware of it as well.

    I didn't say Maitens did anything wrong; I just pointed out he did the same thing as the others you identify, but doesn't seem to be included in your targeting. I don't see the issue for any of them; they don't get paid except maybe reimbursements for travel. Anyway, the Magnuson-Stevens Act addresses this topic specifically.

    104-297
    (6) The participation by an affected individual referred to in paragraph (1)(A)(ii) in
    an action by a Council during any time in which that individual is not in compliance with
    the regulations prescribed under paragraph (5) may not be treated as cause for the
    invalidation of that action.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,735 AG
    TM, we really need to do lunch!

    Pm me..
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 606 Officer
    "Looks like collusion by 5 members to me!"

    You speak of collusion by didn't mention, EDF, OC, GSI, CFA, Pearce, Gill, Perret and Greene. Amendment 40 was all about sneaky back door collusion.

    "they don't get paid except maybe reimbursements for travel."

    Greene, Gill, Perret and Pearce are not lobbying Congress for GSI and in some cases the OC for just for their travel expenses, travel meals and travel 5 star motels because they all have a vested financial interest in what they are pushing for EDF and the OC. They are lobbyists for GSI and their own financial interests in the fishery first and not representing all the people as taxpayer paid gulf council and SSC members. Must be nice to have the taxpayers pay greene, pearce, perret and gill for being on the gulf council and the SSC and at the same time lobbying their special financial interests for GSI and the OC.

    As I said Gill was not allowed to lobby the OC for 2 years after he left the gulf council because that is against the law.

    Bob Gill by law could not legally lobby the OC and groups like them until 2 years after he left as a voting member of the gulf council.

    Former gulf council members can not legally lobby for 2 years after they leave as a voting members of the gulf council but we have 3 gulf council members who are lobbyists for GSI, greene, perret and pearce that are lobbying congress for GSI while they sit and are taxpayer paid on the gulf council all the while they all are on the board of directors of GSI representing GSI interests and their own financial interests first and foremost which are not the same interests of the taxpayers who pay them and that they take and oath to represent first.

    They left GSI off of their financial statements for a reason and it was not because they forgot about their association as Board of Directors of Gulf Seafood Institute.

    Greene, Perret, and Pearce knew all along they had to report GSI on their financial statements but purposely and willfully illegally chose not to do so.

    Here they all are in October of 2014 having this very discussion on the record and from this discussion they all knew what the law and the requirements were because they all were there and discussing it.

    They have incriminated themselves with their words right there in the minutes of the October 2014 gulf council meeting, recorded and documented right from the horse's mouth, no question about it.

    At a gulf council meeting in October 2014 where Harlon Pearce, Perrot and Greene were present and heard (page 32)Mr. Boyd clearly state on the record minutes: "Okay and so I guess my next question would be if someone makes an application and they disclose that they are on the payroll of a special interest group, whoever they are, that's all that matters at that point, if they're approved, that they disclosed it? Is that correct?"

    Now there is ample evidence from Harlon Pearce in the October 2014 council meeting minutes (page 32)in which Mr. Pearce Gulf Council member and GSI Director lobbyist stated:

    "To be a council member , we just have to have our financial interest report in and we go from there and why should the SSC (my insert -Pearce's GSI Director Buddy Bob Gill GSI Director is on the gulf council SSC and at that time in October 2014 was ineligible to be there and Pearce was going to help him out and make Gill and others sitting ineligibly and make them now eligible) be any different? I think we make a whole lot more decisions at the council than we do at the SSC. " "I mean the SSC does the ABC's and a few other things, but why should we hold them to higher standards or stronger standards, whichever way you want to look at it, than a council member, period, and they council member statement of financial interest is all we do to get on this council and so I'm supportive of this motion."

    Keep in mind that Harlon Pearce stated the above quote at a council meeting in October 2014 several months before the FRA busted him for filing false 2013 and 2014 gulf council financial interest statements.
    Pearce according to his own mouth knew full well in October of 2014 what he had to put down on this 2013 and 2014 financial statement was not left off because of a forgetful memory because the quote shows Pearce knew EXACTLY what he had to disclose but purposefully chose not to disclose it.

    The nondisclosure of Gulf Council members Pearce's, Perrot's and Greene's association as Board of Directors and lobbyists on GSI' s board on their 2013 and 2014 gulf council financial statement was purposeful not a feigned memory loss.

    Until later summer 2012 Bob Gill was a former gulf council voting member who was under strict ethics rules after he was not a voting member of the gulf council he was forbidden to lobby congress for 2 years. Within that 2 year restriction former gulf council voting member and Ocean Conservancy funded GSI Board of Director Bob Gill lobbied for the Ocean Conservancy before Congress in violation of federal ethics restrictions.
    The former Executive Director of the Gulf council Steve Bortone resigned after he was reported to the DOC OIG as being unethical in an EDF scripted gulf council meeting not too long ago. Since EDF needed a new gulf council Executive Director that would go along to get along they got the new Gulf council Executive Director Gregory who during the council meeting in October 2014 obliged EDF and their cronies by on page 31 of said minutes making a recommendation for Option 1.

    Mr. Perret one of the 3 gulf council members that was at that time had filed false and inaccurate 2013 and 2014 gulf council financial statements that were still false at the time this was said (page 31) during the minutes by Mr. Perret: "Does the Executive Director, after this exhaustive search, have a recommendation for the council and, if so, what's your recommendation?"

    Executive Director Gregory: " I could give a recommendation, if so desired."

    Mr. Perret: " I am asking."

    Executive Director Gregory, after what Perret so called an exhaustive search knew that there are many on the SSC, SAP and SEP panels that are at that time ineligible by the rules to be there then placates the political planted ineligible members and EDF and states (page 31): "I recommend Option 1, discontinuing the SSC conflict of interest policy."

    The Mr. Perret, a GSI Board of Director and voting Gulf council member who was at that time out of legal compliance with his gulf council financial statements for 2013 and 2014 then states: "Do you want me to try? I will go along with our Executive Director's recommendation and move for Option 1, discontinue the SSC conflict of interest policy."

    Keep in mind that the three, Perret, Greene and Pearce, all put out inaccurate and unlawful gulf council financial statements in 2013 and 2014 have a buddy Bob Gill and they are all on the GSI Board of Directors and lobby congress. Gill is also on the council paid SSC, Gill at that time was ineligible to sit on the SSC, so the Executive Director Gregory, and the three amigos, Perrot, Greene and Pearce went ahead with the unethical scheme to make the EDF political plants on the SSC, SEP and SAP now eligible, but that was not retroactive and so the violations that made them ineligible before they were made eligible still stand.

    AN ARTICLE IN JADA (JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION) IN 2001 HAS THE ADMISSION THAT FLUORIDE SWALLOWED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE TEETH IS "INSUFFICIENT TO HAVE A MEASURABLE EFFECT" ON REDUCING CAVITIES."

    THE NOW CORRUPTED MEDIA MANIPULATES BY USING ORWELLIAN NEWSPEAK. In Orwell's words, Newspeak was "designed to diminish the range of thought." Newspeak seeks to eliminate or alter certain words that do not fit the media's ideological agenda. In Orwell's novel 1984 Newspeak is a way of controlling the people's language in order to keep the peons under ideological control.Newspeak is deceptive and deceitful as it stifles free speech and only allows only certain approved words, phrases and ideas to be used while other words are forbidden.

    Fauci's "Gain of Function" is newspeak for enhancing the contagiousness of a virus for use as a biological weapon in war. It was dumb, stupid and a threat to national security for the US  government with Fauci's blessing to help fund biological weapons enhancement in an arch enemy's country.  When Fauci used and pushed the euphemistic misnomer deceptive term "gain of function" the con was on.

    "Gain of Function" newspeak for "Viral Biological Warfare Weapons Enhancement".

    "Undocumented Immigrant" newspeak for "illegal alien".

    "Progressive" newspeak for "Marxist".

    "Dreamers" newspeak for "illegal aliens".

    "Immigration Reform" newspeak for "illegal alien amnesty".

    "Xenophobia" newspeak for those that want border security.

    "Gun control" newspeak for "confiscate your guns".

    "Pro-choice" newspeak for "pro-abortion".

    "Math is racist" newspeak for "we are too lazy to learn math".

    "Critical Race Theory" newspeak for "Reverse Discrimination Marxism".

    When a snake oil salesman knows that the snake oil does not sell with the accurate name he simply changes the name to the NEWSPEAK euphemistic misnomer "Magic Medicinal Elixir" to sell his misrepresented product otherwise not sellable.



  • snake 166snake 166 Posts: 101 Deckhand
    I was told by the former Council executive director that the Council members are paid in addition to travel/lodging/meals at the salary equivalent to a level of the Senior Executive Service---in the vicinity of $100/hr for all the days they support the council including travel days. Nice little 30-40K annual bonus to keep the liquor cabinet stocked.
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    snake 166 wrote: »
    I was told by the former Council executive director that the Council members are paid in addition to travel/lodging/meals at the salary equivalent to a level of the Senior Executive Service---in the vicinity of $100/hr for all the days they support the council including travel days. Nice little 30-40K annual bonus to keep the liquor cabinet stocked.

    different payment being talked about here.

    Council members get paid while in service; SSC members get paid while in service.

    The claim here is these folks are getting paid by lobbyists for going to board meetings. A non-profit, like the organizations being identified, can't do that; they can reimburse travel only.
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    BubbaII wrote: »
    different payment being talked about here.

    Council members get paid while in service; SSC members get paid while in service.

    The claim here is these folks are getting paid by lobbyists for going to board meetings. A non-profit, like the organizations being identified, can't do that; they can reimburse travel only.

    Sitting on the BOD of even a "Non-Profit" is still considered under NOAA COI rules is a "Paid Position". There are also the rules about those on the council and committees that actively engage in lobbying matters before both congress and the council being eligible to vote in matters pertaining to such issues (even if unpaid or not reimbursed). Even if they find enough loopholes and change enough rules post fact to make it possible it still ignores NOAA's own COI spirit of the law to do nothing that would create 'distrust among the stakeholders'. Its been acknowledged that they were in violation since it was determined by NOAA legal that they needed to correct their disclosure forms. It was likewise determined that the SSC members were in violation since the council decided to change the rules to make them legal.
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