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  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    bigiron wrote: »
    Why would think anybody would be curious? The pot never calls the kettle black. Of course the good Lt. would support the case why wouldn't he? Even if procedures were not followed he/she would never publicly admit it.

    :grin You don't understand how policing agencies work. Management (lieutenants) will quickly distance themselves from any questionable actions or activities by their rank and file subordinates.

    That's why there are the PBA and FOP unions.

    And there is no reason for him to lie to me, just as there is no reason for me to lie to you.

    And I'm thinking you are not curious because you will understand that you cannot sustain your opinion in view of an eyewitness account.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,452 Admiral
    If you or I had reacted in the same fashion, criminal charges would be pending. Go to any other country England, Germany, Amsterdam, hell Greece and Saudi Arabia, police would never shoot at a child for the same offence, good lord I would have been fired for such a thingl

    I didn't know Amsterdam was its own country now?!
  • bigironbigiron Posts: 543 Officer
    :grin You don't understand how policing agencies work. Management (lieutenants) will quickly distance themselves from any questionable actions or activities by their rank and file subordinates.
    Of course they would. Private sector or not, take no responsibility and point the finger. Taking the bad could mean end of career. Let the union fight it out. Effective managers should never need to distance themselves from questionable actions or activities of those in their charge, it is their responsibility to MANAGE. Is there no accountability? There sure is in my organization.


    And there is no reason for him to lie to me, just as there is no reason for me to lie to you.
    Nobody is accusing anybody of lying, rather the predictably of the outcome of the meeting. I don't think anybody expected you to say, "Guys, they screwed up, the Lt said so."
    And I'm thinking you are not curious because you will understand that you cannot sustain your opinion in view of an eyewitness account.
    Not sure what eyewitness you are referring to, but I did watch the intersection and dash videos and those were unquestionably sustainable.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    bigiron wrote: »
    Of course they would. Private sector or not, take no responsibility and point the finger. Taking the bad could mean end of career. Let the union fight it out. Effective managers should never need to distance themselves from questionable actions or activities of those in their charge, it is their responsibility to MANAGE. Is there no accountability? There sure is in my organization.

    You haven't managed a policing force.




    Nobody is accusing anybody of lying, rather the predictably of the outcome of the meeting. I don't think anybody expected you to say, "Guys, they screwed up, the Lt said so."

    How do you know or expect me to say without me saying it? I never lie and have no need too. I don't know you and don't care about what you think about anything including me. And I would not lie to those here who I do know because I respect their friendship.
    Not sure what eyewitness you are referring to, but I did watch the intersection and dash videos and those were unquestionably sustainable.

    The lieutenant. And the eyewitnesses who reported the driver to 911 and were following the vehicle (prior to the foster parent calling it in).and who were subsequently interviewed. The angle of both videos does not show the deputy being struck by the vehicle as well. Which the witnessed corroborate ans well as the physical evidence of the transfer on the deputy's uniform.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    bigiron wrote: »
    Of course they would. Private sector or not, take no responsibility and point the finger. Taking the bad could mean end of career. Let the union fight it out. Effective managers should never need to distance themselves from questionable actions or activities of those in their charge, it is their responsibility to MANAGE. Is there no accountability? There sure is in my organization.

    You haven't managed a policing force.




    Nobody is accusing anybody of lying, rather the predictably of the outcome of the meeting. I don't think anybody expected you to say, "Guys, they screwed up, the Lt said so."

    How do you know or expect me to say without me saying it? I never lie and have no need too. I don't know you and don't care about what you think about anything including me. And I would not lie to those here who I do know because I respect their friendship.
    Not sure what eyewitness you are referring to, but I did watch the intersection and dash videos and those were unquestionably sustainable.

    The lieutenant. And the eyewitnesses who reported the driver to 911 and were following the vehicle (prior to the foster parent calling it in).and who were subsequently interviewed. The angle of both videos does not show the deputy being struck by the vehicle as well. Which the witnessed corroborate ans well as the physical evidence of the transfer on the deputy's uniform.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • bigironbigiron Posts: 543 Officer
    You haven't managed a policing force.







    How do you know or expect me to say without me saying it? I never lie and have no need too. I don't know you and don't care about what you think about anything including me. And I would not lie to those here who I do know because I respect their friendship.



    The lieutenant. And the eyewitnesses who reported the driver to 911 and were following the vehicle (prior to the foster parent calling it in).and who were subsequently interviewed. The angle of both videos does not show the deputy being struck by the vehicle as well. Which the witnessed corroborate ans well as the physical evidence of the transfer on the deputy's uniform.

    Well, you sure seem to know me quite well and my credentials and arguably my entire professional resume as you are quick to point out what I have or have not done based on your assumptions. I, on the other hand, have not questioned your abilities or educational achievements, or even any expertise you may have, but rather enjoyed discussions and your point of view from another professional prospective.
    Don't get upset, I am just trying to have a friendly discussion/debate. I too, don't care about what you may think of me, but I do enjoy discussions with differing points of view. I will move on now and play elsewhere for a while. I got the boat cleaned up this weekend, so I think I might actually go fishing.
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