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It is certainly a very sad outcome for all involved. It would seem easy to blame the officer for not making a better choice in what he was going to do, but that is not the standard to which officers are held. They are only required to make a "reasonable" choice, not necessarily the "best" choice.
In the video, the smaller inset film shows the quick and forceful attempt to flee after the officer is out of the cruiser.
As soon as the driver attempted to flee, even if it was just in the general direction of the officer on foot, recognizing that there were other innocent drivers around, the officer had little choice. Very sad. It's even sadder that with everyday contact with the driver, the owner of the car failed to secure the vehicles keys.
Well said Jim!
Just call out one only one collegiate accomplishments you have managed. Just one you are a liar :grin
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Sure Gary, ever since my wife passed, I do drink a little much, not to excess I believe, however your self proclaimed arrogance is over the top. No education and claiming what you do, really?
I believe your consistent incoherence speaks otherwise.
I've offered to help.
You have to be willing to recognize it and change. That first step is yours.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Which part? lol.
The driver of the minivan was forward of the police officer when he "was out of the cruiser." The minivan was clearly not in reverse. If it had been then OK, I can see the argument for fearing for one's life. Attempting to elude doesn't warrant side and rear windows shot out and a bullet in the back of the head.
FWIW I have no axe to grind with anyone here on this forum moderator or otherwise but coming from a family of LEOs it is public record as to why they were fired from the force.
Mango, there are two video's being played simultaneously. Don't look at the larger one, look only at the smaller inset video. It was filmed from behind the entire event and appears to be from a higher perspective. It shows the driver stopping, the Deputy driving his cruiser around and in front of the Driver, but only partially blocking the whole front of the van. The Deputy exits his cruiser, and the driver while attempting to escape impacts the Deputy's driver side door, and possibly the deputy. The driver is then accelerating away and the shots start. It is a tragic event. But it is also clear that the driver was using deadly force (the van) to effect his escape. Try crashing through any road block to escape and you will be greeted by gun fire. Even if you are trying to escape from stealing a pack of gum, if you try and drive through a road block, it's boom boom time.
Yes, I interpreted the video same as you. We both agree the suspect vehicle was not closing on the officer but rather moving away. And as you say above it was "boom boom" time.
The true sadness of this story, and it's a story that in similar iterations gets repeated across our country, is that parents in a moment of desperation call the police to request assistance with one of their children. The parent not realizing that instead of an intervention of understanding and compassion, in many cases the LEO makes false assumptions as to the level of threat which results in "boom boom" time.........the sad part is that essentially the call from the parent for assistance is a death warrant. The guilt that parent must feel afterwards is the real tragedy.
I disagree that we both agree.
Wow never been there, comical part is Gary would support it as justified
"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
Dose it even matter, a child was shot for no reason, period.
Yes, it matters, a lot. The more knowledge of the situation the better the cop or anyone can access the situation. Once the van started moving the cop reacted and was shooting in about 2 seconds. It was a reaction to an action by the driver of the van. If the cop knew the driver was MR he might have reacted differently.
"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
If you or I had reacted in the same fashion, criminal charges would be pending. Go to any other country England, Germany, Amsterdam, hell Greece and Saudi Arabia, police would never shoot at a child for the same offence, good lord I would have been fired for such a thingl
The police report tells the truth, they always do.
Cool, glad thats settled.
The comical part is that despite your lack of credentials, knowledge and experience with police tactics and criminal law or mental health intervention, as well as not being there or anything remotely similar to it; despite all those things, you believe that you know better than a guy who has all those things, his department and a state attorney who do as well.
I don't need to support the event as justified or not. I was not my determination to make. I do know that the actions I saw on the film were consistent with the formal training (and certification) I have received as well as my experiences on felony traffic stops.
The dispatcher does not relate the details of a call but translates them to clear and concise radio code to alert the patrolman to other information necessary for his safety. In this case, I suspect it was broadcast as a Signal 20, which is a mentally disturbed person, which is intended to heighten the officer's awareness that his subject is irrational, unpredictable and dangerous, which in this case was appropriate.
I am meeting with a lieutenant in that office tomorrow and will mention your concerns about the fairness of the encounter. I'll let you know what he says.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Only got 3 more pages to go, had to say something to help get there.
"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
He is. He is a retired corrections guy and an author, who looks like the Calvin Klien era Marky Mark.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
and apparently you like checking him out. omoh.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
My curiosity was with who is the retired corrections guy and author...and what did he write?
Many things to do.
Knots to be unraveled
'fore the darkness falls on you
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
.........which windows had the bullet holes?