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GMFMC Ineligible Scientific and Statistical Committee and Advisory Panel Members

"Persons are ineligible for membership on any committee or panel if that person has been convicted of a felony offense or is determined to have violated any federal or state marine resource law or regulation within the previous five years. In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

Bob Gill is in violation of federal law because Bob Gill is a member of the Gulf Council Scientific and Statistical Committee (SSC) and at the same time receives funding as a Board of Director for the Gulf Seafood Institute which is an association that lobbies the Gulf Council on fishery issues.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/scientific_statistical_committees.php

http://gulfseafoodinstitute.org/gsi-board-gulf-seafood-institute/

"Gill has represented Florida on the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council, serving as Chairman in 2011-2012. Since leaving the council, he has served on various advisory panels. He currently sits on the Gulf of Mexico Scientific and Statistical Committee (SSC). During his career he has served as CEO of Cedar Key Fish and Oyster Company, as well as president of Krizman Forge."

Bob Gill GSI Board of Directors is unlawfully ineligible to be a member of the Gulf Council SSC and must be removed from the Gulf Council SSC immediately to comply with federal law.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/scientific_statistical_committees.php

Bob Gill GSI Board Member is also a member of the Gulf Council SAP Outreach and Education Scientific Advisory Panel and that makes him unlawfully ineligible to also sit on that Panel because it is a violation of federal law.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

Bob Gill GSI Board of Directors that lobbies the Gulf Council is also a member of the Gulf Council SAP for Reef Fish and he is also unlawfully ineligible to sit on that SAP.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

Luiz Barbieri, Director Marine Fisheries Research at Fish and Wildlife Research Institute (FWRI) is on the funded Board of Directors of GULF WIDE that lobbies the Gulf Council on fisheries issues all the while he is vice chairman of the Gulf Council's Scientific and Statistical Committee (SSC) which under federal law makes him unlawfully ineligible to be a member of the Gulf Council's SSC. On a pertinent side note Tim Fitzgerald, is also on the Board of Directors for GULF WIDE as their Vice President while he is a Scientist for Environmental Defense Fund (EDF).

http://gulfwild.com/gulf-wild-team.php

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/scientific_statistical_committees.php


David Krebs, Jr. – President and Owner, Ariel Seafoods – Florida is also on the paid GSI Board of Directors and also currently unlawfully sits on the Gulf Council Scientific Advisory Panel (SAP) because Krebs is a member of the Gulf Council Coastal Migratory Pelagic Scientific Advisory Panel and at the same time receives funding from the Gulf Seafood Institute which is an association that lobbies the Gulf Council on fishery issues which means that is in clear violation of the above referenced federal law.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

Charter Fisherman's Association Board of Directors and you know they are not working for free after they got 160K from EDF.
Capt. Michael Jennings, President
Capt. Mike Colby, Vice-president
Susan Boggs, Secretary
Capt. Michael Miglini, Treasurer
Capt. Billy Archer
Capt. Cliff Cox
Capt. Steve Tomeny
Capt. Shane Cantrell, Executive Director

The Charter Fisherman's Association Lobbies the Gulf Council. The Charter Fisherman's Association funded President Mike Jennings unlawfully sits on the Gulf Council SAP Coastal Migratory Pelagic Panel in violation of federal law and must be immediately removed because of said violation.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

Charter Fisherman's Association funded vice-president Mike Colby unlawfully sits on the Gulf Council SAP Outreach and Education Panel because the Charter Fisherman's Association lobbies the Gulf Council and you know Mike is not doing it for free after EDF gave the CFA 160K and receives compensation from CFA.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

Charter Fisherman's Association compensated Board of Director Billy Archer sits on the Gulf Council SAP Ad Hoc Red Snapper IFQ also in violation of federal law that makes him ineligible to sit on any SSC, SAP or SEP while he is a compensated director of the CFA that lobbies the Gulf Council.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

Shane Cantrell, Executive Director of the CFA that lobbies the Gulf Council is a member on the Gulf Council Data Collection SAP and hence is ineligible under said federal law to be a member on that SAP. Shane Cantrell is also a member of the Gulf Council Ad Hoc Red Snapper Charter For-Hire Panel and he is also unlawfully ineligible to sit on that SAP.

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

T.J. Tate
http://www.gulfwild.com/gulf-wild-team.php

Director of Sustainability, Gulf Wild

"Tj is now the Director of Sustainability for Gulf Wild and has established the Gulf Wild brand as the undisputed leader in seafood sustainability and fishery conservation."

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

Since TJ Tate is the funded Director of Sustainability of Gulf Wild that lobbies the Gulf Council and since TJ Tate is a member of the Gulf Council SAP Red Snapper Panel she is unlawfully ineligible to sit on any Gulf Council SSC, SEP or SAP. She currently sits on a Gulf Council SAP which is unlawful under current federal law.

There are some more to be put on the list of current members on the Gulf Council SSC's and SAP's that are on those panels in violation of federal law.

There are no ands if's or buts about it, if anyone receives funding from an association like the Charter Fisherman's Association, the Gulf Seafood Institute, the Gulf of Mexico Reef Fish Shareholder's Alliance or Gulf Wide, etc., that lobbies the Gulf Council then you are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP or SEP) and you must be immediately removed.

There are several people that fit this description and must immediately be removed from those Gulf Council panels.

"In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

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There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



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  • TrippleTailIVTrippleTailIV Posts: 197 Officer
    TM, you raise interesting points. Though, for me, the kicker for the SSC is I would think that in order to be on the committee, you would need a background in science or statistics.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    TM, you are reaching..

    Maybe you should put your name in the hat for a "PAID:wink" position.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    While Council Members seem to have a broader allowance for conflict (does not include the 3 GSI Board Members), other
    committees not so much. Getting reimbursed for Travel, Food, Rooming, etc., is compensation and would constitute a paid
    position.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    Number1, you sure like to put out a lot of Number2. If you have an intelligent rebuttal to what I posted that is logical then please post it up. But since you do not have any intelligent rebuttal then you are the one that is reaching. Did I name you or one of your crony ilk?

    We keep hearing all of the EDF and the Charter Fisherman's Association, etc., and their ilk harping, harping and more harping on having the recreational fisherman be accountable, but said hypocrites don't want to be accountable to federal law:

    "In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    You and you ilk have a sickening double standard, you don't want to be accountable to that law but you want all of the recs to be accountable to the laws you want to them to be accountable. Typical double standard double speaking good little minion.

    BTW, all persons that have a seat on any Gulf Council SSC, SEP or SAP have to file a yearly Financial Statement and have to update that Financial Statement during that year if anything changes that must be then stated on an amended Financial Statement, unlike the 3 council members that only amended their financial statement after they were busted for each filing a misleading and incomplete financial statement.

    Any member that is unlawfully ineligible to sit on any Gulf Council SSC, SAP or SEP would under the law have to state all of their financial interests on their Financial Statement. If they correctly stated their financial interests then that would show they are not eligible to be a member of the SSC, SEP or SAP and if they did not state a financial interest and they had a financial interest that would be a violation of the law too.

    So let's see the Financial Statement's of all of these people from 2013, 2014 and 2015 and see who is ineligible to be on an SSC, SAP or SEP and see who is unlawfully avoiding their "accountability" in their financial statement, like the 3 Gulf Seafood Institute board members who are voting Gulf council members that conveniently forgot to mention in their financial statement in 2013 and 2014 that they were on the Board of Directors for Gulf Seafood Institute (GSI) who lobbies the Gulf Council.

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    Number1, you sure like to put out a lot of Number2. If you have an intelligent rebuttal to what I posted that is logical then please post it up. But since you do not have any intelligent rebuttal then you are the one that is reaching. Did I name you or one of your crony ilk?

    We keep hearing all of the EDF and the Charter Fisherman's Association, etc., and their ilk harping, harping and more harping on having the recreational fisherman be accountable, but said hypocrites don't want to be accountable to federal law:

    "In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    You and you ilk have a sickening double standard, you don't want to be accountable to that law but you want all of the recs to be accountable to the laws you want to them to be accountable. Typical double standard double speaking good little minion.

    BTW, all persons that have a seat on any Gulf Council SSC, SEP or SAP have to file a yearly Financial Statement and have to update that Financial Statement during that year if anything changes that must be then stated on an amended Financial Statement, unlike the 3 council members that only amended their financial statement after they were busted for each filing a misleading and incomplete financial statement.

    Any member that is unlawfully ineligible to sit on any Gulf Council SSC, SAP or SEP would under the law have to state all of their financial interests on their Financial Statement. If they correctly stated their financial interests then that would show they are not eligible to be a member of the SSC, SEP or SAP and if they did not state a financial interest and they had a financial interest that would be a violation of the law too.

    So let's see the Financial Statement's of all of these people from 2013, 2014 and 2015 and see who is ineligible to be on an SSC, SAP or SEP and see who is unlawfully avoiding their "accountability" in their financial statement, like the 3 Gulf Seafood Institute board members who are voting Gulf council members that conveniently forgot to mention in their financial statement in 2013 and 2014 that they were on the Board of Directors for Gulf Seafood Institute (GSI) who lobbies the Gulf Council.
    I'm just speaking of Bob Gill, not any of the CFA.
    Having known Bob and his family on a personal and professional basis for 25+ years, I can assure you their is no malfeasance on his part regarding his position(s) with GOMFMC.
    Now BM.. sorry TM, go run back to your puppetmaster and implore him for some better material to troll with..

    Thank you, Art Cannon
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    You nor Bob Gill nor any of the others named will be the final arbitrator of this matter. It's pretty simple stuff, if Gill or anyone on that list or not on the list got funding from GSI or anyone who lobbies the Gulf Council according to current federal law Gill would be ineligible to sit on any of the Council's SSC, SAP or SEP, even a marionette half-wit can understand that, if you have half a wit.

    You are saying that Bob Gill is doing GSI work without compensation from GSI, you may want to check that. Who on these Gulf Council SSC's, SEP's and SAP's are being compensated by an association that lobbies the Gulf Council all the while they violate a clear federal law that states that if they receive funding from that association then they are ineligible to be a member on any SSC, SEP or SAP?

    Then their disillusioned cronies come in to try to spin that nothing is unlawful here, but you saying nothing is here does not make it so. You will need a stronger logical argument and you don't have one because there is not one, so you resort to try to vouch for Gill which isn't going to cut it here.

    Still waiting for a logical rebuttal, so far none. Nice try at distraction, I never used the term "malfeasance", what I stated is that he is ineligible to be a member of any of the Gulf Council's SAP's, SEP's or SAP's because he receives funding from an association that lobbies the Gulf Council. Ineligible does not denote malfeasance, it means by law anyone like Gill who takes funding from anyone like GSI can not by law legally sit on any SSC, SAP or SEP.

    Bob Gill GSI Board of Director is an ineligible member on the Gulf Council's Scientific and Statistical Committee (SSC), and besides that he does not seem to have any of the written Gulf Council criteria for being a member of the SSC.

    "Scientific & Statistical Committee Members are Economists, biologists, sociologists and natural resource attorneys who are knowledgeable about the technical aspects of fisheries in the Gulf of Mexico." Bob Gill is none of that.

    How does someone like Gill without any of those qualifications get put on the SSC? Perhaps back door influence.

    You need better material yours is old and worn out.

    Time to request the the DOC Inspector to remove some ineligible sitting members on the Gulf Council's SSC and SAP.

    https://www.oig.doc.gov/Pages/online-hotline-complaint-form.aspx

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Bob Gill also supposedly worked for The Ocean Conservancy after he got booted from the Gulf Council, then he supposedly did not work them - just represented them.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    "RULES THAT WILL APPLY AFTER LEAVING COUNCIL SERVICE" (Voting Member)
    "There are a few restrictions that will apply to you even after you terminate your service with a Fishery Management Council; these concern contacting the United States Government on behalf of others and using nonpublic information."

    "Restrictions on Contacting the Federal Government.
    After you leave Council service (voting member), you will be barred from communicating with any Federal agency or Federal court on behalf of someone else concerning a particular matter involving specific parties with the intent to influence Government action if you participated personally and substantially in the matter as a Council member. Note that this is similar to the rest restriction described above that applies while you serve on the Council.You will also be barred for two years after leaving Council service from representing anyone before any Federal agency or Federal court concerning a particular matter involving specific parties in which you did not personally participate, but which was under your “official responsibility,” during your last year of your term of service, which would include any specific party matter pending before the Council during that period."

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    "In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    http://gulfseafoodnews.com/2014/05/07/serendipity-gsi-bob-gill/

    "After not being reappointed (Bob Gill) for a third term in 2012, he subsequently applied for, and was appointed to, the Council’s Scientific and Statistical Committee (SSC), where he continues to serve as the only non-scientist responsible for giving scientific advice. He also serves on several Council advisory panels made up of stakeholders with particular experience and expertise."

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    GSI board members David Krebs (l-r), Gill, Johnny Greene and Harlon Pearce meet with a staff member of Congressman Cedric Richmond (D-LA). Photo: Ed Lallo/Newsroom Ink

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    You nor Bob Gill nor any of the others named will be the final arbitrator of this matter.
    Nor will you...
    Bless you sir and Bless Tom too..
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    The GOMFMC has suspiciously changed their website by removing something that was on their website on friday 3/27/2015 and after my posts it was quickly taken down and was not on their site on saturday 3/28/2015.

    Here is what was at the bottom of the three pages on the Gulf Council's SSC, SEP and SAP web pages before it was suspiciously and predictably removed from all three pages after my posts on ineligible members being on the Gulf Council's SSC and SAP.

    "Persons are ineligible for membership on any committee or panel if that person has been convicted of a felony offense or is determined to have violated any federal or state marine resource law or regulation within the previous five years. In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    That is what was down at the bottom of those three web pages on the Gulf Council's SSC, SAP and SEP.

    Suspiciously removed on friday night to saturday morning was this:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    Now since they are very predictable that they would see my posts and take the incriminating statement down I saved screen shots of pages that were cached before said statement was suspiciously removed from all 3 of their web pages it was on.

    They did not disappoint as they jumped right on it to get rid of it. If there was no problem with anyone on the SSC, SAP or SEP that is ineligible to be there then why was said statement about who is ineligible quickly taken down from the Gulf Council's website on 3 different pages after it was pointed out in my posts? Not exactly in keeping with all of the harped on "accountability" the Gulf Council and their minions spew.

    These are the new improved GOMFMC website pages look down at the bottom of the page and this is now gone:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/index.php

    That part was also removed from this webpage also:

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/scientific_statistical_committees.php

    And the Gulf Council also removed it from this page:

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

    Furthermore, any member of the SSC like Bob Gill who also represents an association that lobbies the Gulf Council are paid $250.00 per day when the SSC meets and $125.00 for a less than 4 hour webinar and get all of their hotel and meal expenses paid by the taxpayers all the while ineligible for that seat on the SSC under this rule:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    Anyone with a brain that does not think with their wallet first in mind can figure out why the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council quickly took this down:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    Since we all know they peruse this site, it was quite predictable that they would see it and take it down fast.
    They were right on time.

    When they practice to deceive what a tangled web they weave.

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • drgibbydrgibby Posts: 1,538 Captain
    Well done T.M.!
    Can`t wait for the response/derail attempt for this one. Heck we might even get another lame attempt at a personal attack that reminded me of those that were tossed around the middle school play ground!
    That was very well played sir.
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    Here are the "Rules of Conduct" that apply to all councils. These rules are for Council Members, Staff and even committee members:

    §600.225 Rules of conduct.

    (a) Council members, as Federal office holders, and Council employees are subject to most Federal criminal statutes covering bribery, conflict-of-interest, disclosure of confidential information, and lobbying with appropriated funds.

    (b) The Councils are responsible for maintaining high standards of ethical conduct among themselves, their staffs, and their advisory groups. In addition to abiding by the applicable Federal conflict of interest statutes, both members and employees of the Councils must comply with the following standards of conduct:

    (1) No employee of a Council may use his or her official authority or influence derived from his or her position with the Council for the purpose of interfering with or affecting the result of an election to or a nomination for any national, state, county, or municipal elective office.

    (2) Council members, employees, and contractors must comply with the Federal Cost Principles Applicable to Regional Fishery Management Council Grants and Cooperative Agreements, especially with regard to lobbying, and other restrictions with regard to lobbying as specified in §600.227 of this part.

    (3) No employee of a Council may be deprived of employment, position, work, compensation, or benefit provided for or made possible by the Magnuson-Stevens Act on account of any political activity or lack of such activity in support of or in opposition to any candidate or any political party in any national, state, county, or municipal election, or on account of his or her political affiliation.

    (4) No Council member or employee may pay, offer, promise, solicit, or receive from any person, firm, or corporation a contribution of money or anything of value in consideration of either support or the use of influence or the promise of support or influence in obtaining for any person any appointive office, place, or employment under the Council.

    (5) No employee of a Council may have a direct or indirect financial interest that conflicts with the fair and impartial conduct of his or her Council duties.

    (6) No Council member, employee of a Council, or member of a Council advisory group may use or allow the use, for other than official purposes, of information obtained through or in connection with his or her Council employment that has not been made available to the general public.

    (7) No Council member or employee of the Council may engage in criminal, infamous, dishonest, notoriously immoral, or disgraceful conduct.

    (8) No Council member or employee of the Council may use Council property on other than official business. Such property must be protected and preserved from improper or deleterious operation or use.

    (9)(i) Except as provided in §600.235(h) or in 18 U.S.C. 208, no Council member may participate personally and substantially as a member through decision, approval, disapproval, recommendation, the rendering of advice, investigation, or otherwise, in a particular matter in which the member, the member's spouse, minor child, general partner, organization in which the member is serving as officer, director, trustee, general partner, or employee, or any person or organization with whom the member is negotiating or has any arrangement concerning prospective employment, has a financial interest. (Note that this financial interest is broader than the one defined in §600.235(a).)

    (ii) No Council member may participate personally and substantially as a member through decision, approval, disapproval, recommendation, the rendering of advice, investigation, or otherwise, in a particular matter primarily of individual concern, such as a contract, in which he or she has a financial interest, even if the interest has been disclosed in accordance with §600.235.

    [61 FR 32540, June 24, 1996, as amended at 63 FR 7075, Feb. 12, 1998; 63 FR 64185, Nov. 19, 1998; 75 FR 59152, Sept. 27, 2010]
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    The GOMFMC has suspiciously changed their website by removing something that was on their website on friday 3/27/2015 and after my posts it was quickly taken down and was not on their site on saturday 3/28/2015.

    Here is what was at the bottom of the three pages on the Gulf Council's SSC, SEP and SAP web pages before it was suspiciously and predictably removed from all three pages after my posts on ineligible members being on the Gulf Council's SSC and SAP.

    "Persons are ineligible for membership on any committee or panel if that person has been convicted of a felony offense or is determined to have violated any federal or state marine resource law or regulation within the previous five years. In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    That is what was down at the bottom of those three web pages on the Gulf Council's SSC, SAP and SEP.

    Suspiciously removed on friday night to saturday morning was this:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    Now since they are very predictable that they would see my posts and take the incriminating statement down I saved screen shots of pages that were cached before said statement was suspiciously removed from all 3 of their web pages it was on.

    They did not disappoint as they jumped right on it to get rid of it. If there was no problem with anyone on the SSC, SAP or SEP that is ineligible to be there then why was said statement about who is ineligible quickly taken down from the Gulf Council's website on 3 different pages after it was pointed out in my posts? Not exactly in keeping with all of the harped on "accountability" the Gulf Council and their minions spew.

    These are the new improved GOMFMC website pages look down at the bottom of the page and this is now gone:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/index.php

    That part was also removed from this webpage also:

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/scientific_statistical_committees.php

    And the Gulf Council also removed it from this page:

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/advisory_panels.php

    Furthermore, any member of the SSC like Bob Gill who also represents an association that lobbies the Gulf Council are paid $250.00 per day when the SSC meets and $125.00 for a less than 4 hour webinar and get all of their hotel and meal expenses paid by the taxpayers all the while ineligible for that seat on the SSC under this rule:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    Anyone with a brain that does not think with their wallet first in mind can figure out why the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council quickly took this down:

    In addition, persons are ineligible for membership on any scientific committee (SSC, SAP, or SEP) if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Council on fishery issues."

    Since we all know they peruse this site, it was quite predictable that they would see it and take it down fast.
    They were right on time.

    When they practice to deceive what a tangled web they weave.
    Instead of being so
    negative based on incorrect information, why don't you spend your time
    and energy on getting folks to apply that you think are better qualified
    for APs or SSCs? Work for positive change and not all this nasty,
    negative approach of tearing folks down? Or is your life that miserable,
    in which case you have my sympathy.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    The Gulf Council apologist for the ineligible has returned. Who are the ones that caused this problem in the first place? Not me! Those who are ineligible made their bed and now they have to lay in it. They have to be accountable to the bed they made because I did not make their bed I am just describing the bed they are responsible for making. It's called being "accountable" for their own actions or non-actions and it is something that seems to elude them. You see they want to make law that we have to follow or be accountable too, but they don't seem to want to be accountable to the law governing them. Typical double "accountability" standard. And there will always be faithful special interest apologists that try to wrongly spin.

    Just to make things clear: I commend the minority of the Gulf Council voting members that had the honesty and guts to file a formal minority report against Amendment 40. And to be clear, I am not speaking of those members of the SSC, SEP and SAP that are lawfully eligible only the ones who are lawfully ineligible.



    On friday night 3/27/2015 to saturday morning 3/28/2015 3 Gulf Council website pages mysteriously changed and something that was on there for years that I am now discussing on here has now been deleted and suspiciously and mysteriously but not surprisingly gone off all three Gulf Council webpages.

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/index.php

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_co...committees.php

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_co...ory_panels.php

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Good work TM - Art is obviously incorrect when he claims you are "being negative based on incorrect information".

    It seems that your information is not only correct, it illustrates and underscores how the Gulf Council itself ignores/violates federal laws in order to continue their corrupt system.

    My question is who is responsible for inserting/removing those legal notifications?

    This needs to be forwarded on to the Office of Inspector General immediately.

    Kinda reminds me of the "legal" notification at the bottom of each Gulf Council agenda page; "... (any person) knowingly and willfully submitting false information to the Council is a violation of Federal law." However, when members of The Charter Fisherman's Association stood up before Council and knowingly and willfully submitted false information to the Council, on the record, and this was made known to the Council and NOAA legal, nothing was done about it. So much for enforcing federal laws, and why the Gulf Council has become the laughing stock to the Gulf fishermen - it has become a total joke as they, as a governing body, have lost all credibility as evidenced by their actions that TM just unveiled.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    Again... "Instead of being so negative based on incorrect information"


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/funding

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compensation
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • TypicleseTypiclese Posts: 393 Deckhand
    Nice work Tarpon "O" !

    Regarding Anumber Zero - there is a long and substantiated track record that when presented with irrefutable facts, he always dives for the gutter to sling slime.

    Best to ignore him and press on with your endeavors! That screen cap is priceless BTW. I will include in my submission to the DOC IG if you don't mind.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    Tom, I believe Typ is engaging in a personal attack, please investigate..

    TYVM.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Art - I don't see any personal attack.

    YAVW.
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Again... "Instead of being so negative based on incorrect information"


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/funding

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compensation

    Federal Rules are defined differently than the dictionary. First being on a Board of Directory of a fishing
    industry group is a "Financial Interest" requiring disclosure, even if NOT a paid position. Additionally
    there are specific rules to being on such if said group lobby's before the council.

    Under federal rules, "Reimbursement" can be considered compensation and funding requiring
    disclosure and in certain cases a conflict requiring recusal or ineligibility.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Anyone going to the Gulf Council meeting this week?
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    TM - have you contacted NOAA legal to see why the requirements were removed? Have you contacted the O.I.G.?

    Thanks in advance,
    Tom

    The Gulf Council apologist for the ineligible has returned. Who are the ones that caused this problem in the first place? Not me! Those who are ineligible made their bed and now they have to lay in it. They have to be accountable to the bed they made because I did not make their bed I am just describing the bed they are responsible for making. It's called being "accountable" for their own actions or non-actions and it is something that seems to elude them. You see they want to make law that we have to follow or be accountable too, but they don't seem to want to be accountable to the law governing them. Typical double "accountability" standard. And there will always be faithful special interest apologists that try to wrongly spin.

    Just to make things clear: I commend the minority of the Gulf Council voting members that had the honesty and guts to file a formal minority report against Amendment 40. And to be clear, I am not speaking of those members of the SSC, SEP and SAP that are lawfully eligible only the ones who are lawfully ineligible.



    On friday night 3/27/2015 to saturday morning 3/28/2015 3 Gulf Council website pages mysteriously changed and something that was on there for years that I am now discussing on here has now been deleted and suspiciously and mysteriously but not surprisingly gone off all three Gulf Council webpages.

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_committees/index.php

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_co...committees.php

    http://www.gulfcouncil.org/panels_co...ory_panels.php
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    Tom Hilton wrote: »
    TM - have you contacted NOAA legal to see why the requirements were removed? Have you contacted the O.I.G.?

    Thanks in advance,
    Tom

    Emily stated that "The Council removed the requirement regarding SSC appointments from the Administrative Handbook so the language was changed on the website."

    Of coarse......WHEN they did this make a huge difference. If it was done at a time that one or more were in violation of the rules before changed, then that move itself could be problematic. Waiting for an answer on the timing of it.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    The notifications were removed on March 28th.

    1) Who is responsible for inserting/removing those legal notifications?

    2) What was the reason for the requirement in the first place regarding ineligibility if that person directly receives funding from an association that lobbies the Gulf Council on fisheries issues?

    3) Why is that no longer a concern?

    Maybe they should an ad in the help wanted classifieds; "SSC committee members wanted. The position doesn't pay anything, but we are seeking applicants who are already being paid by corporations lobbying the Gulf Council so that shouldn't be a problem."
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    The members on the Gulf Council Scientific and Statistical Committee are paid with your tax dollars while some on the SSC double dip the taxpayers by also dipping the trojan horse front NGO's for funding reimbursement.

    Nothing unethical about that,:rotflmao move along nothing to see here.:wink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLdgqiRKn3w

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 565 Officer
    There is a door for certain select Gulf council members past and present to represent lobbying firms disguised as NGO wolf in sheep's clothing environmental groups and/or facade seafood promoting organizations. Nothing wrong with a seafood promoting association if they are on the level and are not trying to mask their true hidden agenda from the public. The problem is most of them are just phony front groups designed to try to thwart the public's right to see exactly what is going on in the association's hidden agenda by masking it with a warm and fuzzy false image.

    It starts with a job offer. Remember Jack Abramoff? He was a lobbyist who was convicted of federal conspiracy, fraud and tax evasion charges. The scandal involved 21 other people who were white house officials, fellow lobbyists, congressional staffers and former Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio) that were either convicted or took plea bargains.

    "According to Abramoff’s playbook on how to gain influence in Washington, you could “own” a congressional office as soon as you said to a top staffer, “You know, when you’re done working on the Hill, we’d very much like you to consider working for us.”

    Same for some members of the Gulf Council, The magic words from the corrupting NGO's are: "You know, when you're done as a Gulf Council Member, we'd very much like you to consider working for us." Wink Wink.

    "Those magic words win access and information more readily than campaign donations. With a job offer on the table, the official or staff member is all but working for the lobbying firm, on the taxpayers’ dime."
    Some council members don't wait until they are not voting members of the Gulf Council and go right on ahead and lobby for special interest NGO's by representing their interests working for GSI's special interest which is a different interest than the taxpayer's interest who are funding all of this politically corrupt nonsense.

    Currently there are 3 voting Gulf Council members who are also on the Board of Directors for Gulf Seafood Institute (GSI), which was suspiciously set up with a $20,000 grant from the Ocean Conservancy. The phony front association Ocean Conservancy funded the Trojan Horse Gulf Seafood Institute.

    http://gulfseafoodnews.com/2013/09/08/gulf-seafood-institute-becomes-reality-with-20000-grant-from-ocean-conservancy/

    Interestingly, Council members that want to go on to that "pre-offered" job with an NGO act differently while they are on the Gulf Council than members who don't. All you have to do for evidence of this is look at the current council members who are at the same time on the GSI Board of Directors and representing GSI and look at their votes. Or look at the council members who left the Gulf Council and are ineligible on Gulf council committees and panels and who at the same time represent NGO's like GSI.
    If you put this to the common man's smell test, this certainly has the appearance and odor of their desire to please their potential future employer or funder.

    These council members don't seem to understand there is an ethical, moral and legal problem from silently shifting their allegiances from their constituents to their current or future NGO funders.

    Right on the Gulf Seafood Institute's website right from Ed Lallo - Gulf Seafood News Editor in response to a comment posted on the GSI website clearly stated:

    http://gulfseafoodnews.com/2014/05/07/serendipity-gsi-bob-gill/

    "News Editor (Ed Lallo)
    May 9, 2014 at 6:59 am
    "Bob Gill is not working for the Ocean Conservancy or any other organization other than GSI and the Gulf Council currently. I think it is important that you don’t make accusations without having your facts correct, or future comments will not be approved."
    Ed Lallo – Gulf Seafood News Editor"

    So Ed Lallo of the Gulf Seafood Institute is confirming that Bob Gill IS currently working for GSI and the Gulf Council at the same time. And since I did not want to make any allegations before I had my facts I will let Ed Lallo's statement about Bob Gills working for the Gulf Council and GSI at the same time speak for itself and me.

    The eye witness for this is none other than GSI's own Ed Lallo!
    GSI Staff and Board
    Staff
    Ed Lallo – Media Relations and Editorial Director

    News Editor (Ed Lallo) says:
    May 9, 2014 at 3:42 pm
    "Thomas, Bob Gill has never worked for the Ocean Conservancy (OC) or any NGO, period. He was asked to testify by the OC twice before Congress, for which they reimbursed him travel expenses, a W-2 was never filed by the OC. I really wish that you would get your facts straight before making libelous accusations. You are familiar with the recent court ruling on two libelous statements made on social media. I would suggest you stick to the facts. Also, he was not “dumped” by the Gulf Council, he served at the pleasure of the Florida governor who did not reappoint him."

    Well, here are the facts, first off GSI's Lallo is saying that "Gill has never "worked" for the Ocean Conservancy (OC) or any NGO, period. He was asked to testify by the OC twice before Congress, for which they reimbursed him travel expenses, a W-2 was never filed by the OC."

    Again GSI's Mr. Lallo is my eye witness because since Ed Lallo clearly states that Bob Gill was reimbursed his "travel expenses" by the Ocean Conservancy for testifying in behalf of the Ocean Conservancy and getting reimbursed for travel expenses by the OC IS ABSOLUTELY BEING FUNDED BY AN NGO TO DO THEIR SPECIAL INTEREST LOBBYING ALL THE WHILE GILL IS INELIGIBLY TAKING OUR TAX DOLLARS OF $250.00 PER DAY PLUS MEAL AND MOTEL EXPENSES FOR THE SSC MEETINGS AND $125.00 TO SIT IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER AT A SSC WEBINAR ALL CONVENIENTLY PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS WHILE HE SITS ON THE GULF COUNCIL SCIENCTIFIC AND STATISITCAL COMMITTEE (SSC) IN VIOLATION OF THE PERTINENT LAW.

    Nothing like double dipping the taxpayers, especially when you are ineligible to do so because you are ineligibly sitting on the Gulf Council SSC and SAP's while you were funded by the Ocean Conservancy and more likely than not receive at least reimbursement "funding" for your travel expenses while you are lobbing for the Gulf Seafood Institure.

    "Bob Gill, center, walks the Hill with fellow GSI members, meeting with Congressmen and their staff on legislation effecting the Gulf of Mexico. Photo: Ed Lallo/Newsroom Ink"


    "GSI board members David Krebs (l-r), Gill, Johnny Greene and Harlon Pearce meet with a staff member of Congressman Cedric Richmond (D-LA). Photo: Ed Lallo/Newsroom Ink"

    GSI’s Priorities for Magnuson Stevens

    Regional Council Accountability:
    • Strict accountability measures should be established for the Councils and their actions.

    For GSI's information, strict accountability measures have been legally established for the Councils and their actions, but the hypocritical problem is GSI has a GSI Board of Director that is not keeping with the current lawful accountability measures that you hypocritically double speak of on your website.
    Hooey is as hooey does.

    Only in America, where now the Communist Media labels their reporting videos as peaceful protesting while buildings are burning in the background, criminal thugs are running out of stores with looted goods, vehicles being burned out, innocent persons getting shot or getting their heads bashed in and general mayhem and chaos and the media video reports to the public peaceful protesting.

    LeBron James Slams "........" over Goodyear Boycott: "We Don’t Bend, Fold or Break for Nobody - Except China."

    There’s Lebron James, talking about the horrors of slavery while slaves in "Chinese slave labor camps make shoes with Lebron James name on them for Nike. I guess if you signal that you have virtue, you don’t have to have any actual virtue."

    Lebron James greatly helped the unemployment rate to go down to %2, that is for child slave labor in China.


    A white says the n word and is chastised for it, a black rapper raps over and over and over ad nauseam on his albums the degrading and demeaning n word and is praised for his music and rewarded with millions of dollars with not a peep from the peanut gallery. Where is the outrage for the black rap albums full of the n word? It got lost in their double standard.

    Colon Kapernick Nike's Ignorant Stephin Fetchit!

    America, the land of the "regressives" proposed free health care for illegal aliens paid for by legal tax paying Americans who have to pay exorbitant rates for their own health insurance.



  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    Again TM, you're reaching..
    I hope you get sued TM... Really I do, but I don't think Bob is that kind of person.

    Maybe I can change his mind.

    Care to comment Tom?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Art,
    You have a habit of calling out a certain moderator with each and every post - people have talked to you about it and you promised to cease and desist. I guess your word is as good as you make it.

    The same editor that you cut and pasted admitted that Bob Gill was working for GSI at the same time he was working for the Gulf Council.

    Are you saying Bob Gill did not receive funding from The Ocean Conservancy when he went to DC to represent The Ocean Conservancy after he got booted off the Gulf Council?
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    Gulf Council voted to remove extra requirements and conditions apparently at the October 2014 Mobile meeting for
    Committee Members. This was explained as the reason for the website being changed. The timing is curious though
    perhaps this thread may have reminded someone to change it. It also raises a lot of questions. IF, IF there were any
    members sitting on these councils when the change was made, that would have been unqualified prior, did the council act
    improperly? Also, who brought this motion to eliminate the specific requirements forth? Changing the game to make what
    was likely improper, or illegal positions on the committees that violated the former COI rules, suddenly acceptable does not
    change the fact that they were not qualified before. Whether they failed to personally disclose their positions of the GC or staff
    failed to vet the info is unclear.

    Sitting on the BOD of an agency is the same as "being paid" when applied to COI rules, even if no salary is set. ALSO, getting
    reimbursed for travel expenses, lodging, food or other "expenses" to perform a specific task on behalf of a group is a financial
    burden requiring disclosure.

    So, even if newly revised qualifiers would allow those lobbying the council to sit on committees, those that did so prior to the
    change are still accountable for having done such, and the GC having made such a change needs investigated to see if someone
    knew of this prior, and pushed for the change to take place to avoid legal issues.
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