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Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
Check out the latest in misinformation from The Charter Fisherman's Association Facebook page;

"An interesting piece on the Red Snapper situation from a whole new perspective!"
http://www.facebook.com/CharterFA?fref=nf

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/column-commission-ignores-science-in-setting-red-snapper-rules/2222224#comments

Of course, The Charter Fisherman's Association once again attempts to mislead you - a whole new perspective? Really? Portraying the author as a owner and operator of a boat dealership in Tarpon Springs giving a "new perspective" when in reality the author is a commercial snapper fisherman;

http://tbtpics.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/column-manage-recreational-fishing-to-protect-stocks/2189918

"...As the owner of a boat dealership, I'm an avid angler. So much so, I even dabble in commercial fishing as another way to expand my opportunities to fish, though I bring these fish to market for others to enjoy...."

A whole new perspective? No, just more of the same misrepresentation and veiling of financial interests to give a false "new perspective" when in reality it is the same old snake oil pitch to sell their false promises of a better solution called Amendment 40.

These people have absolutely no credibility or shame.
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  • drgibbydrgibby Posts: 1,538 Captain
    The dude holds ARS IFQ`s. I find the word "dabble" to be quite ironic. Isn`t it nice of him to bring fish to the market for others to enjoy? I doubt he does that out of the goodness of his heart. Seems to me that Brad is more worried about the state taking control of the ARS fishery away from the Fed`s, and thus doing away with his precious IFQ`s. It really is not too hard to see through the smoke and mirrors, all you have to do is look!
  • markw4321markw4321 Posts: 171 Officer
    Update - The block from my being able to post on the Charter Fisherman's Association (CFA) Facebook page has been removed and I have been invited to post there again. There was initial confusion as to whether or not I was a "real" person with a legitimate Facebook account because my Facebook page is set up for maximum privacy.

    Once I contacted CFA reps via Facebook messaging and explained the situation my posting privileges were restored.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    markw4321 wrote: »
    Don't bother going on to the CFA facebook page to try and discuss the issue. They will block you and prevent you from posting. I was called an anonymous poster and blocked because my facebook page is set up for privacy so that only my friends can see what I'm posting. The real reason I was blocked is they are not open to any debate.

    That's what people do when they can't stand on the merits of their argument - they control the dialogue so that those who disagree with their stance are prohibited from participating in the discussion. It also allows them to make false and misleading claims such as the commercial IFQ holder masking his financial interest in his propaganda article, but the truth ALWAYS surfaces somewhere anyway.

    Lying scumbags comes to mind for some reason...
  • bay20bay20 Posts: 1,490 Officer
    I haven't gotten banned from them yet but I don't let my emotions get the best of me. This group is trying everything they can to persuade people to believe their nonsense. They are throwing everything they got into the water trying to get a bite and keep coming up empty, really think when this debacle is over they are going to wish they hadn't started this whole sector separation garbage.
  • markw4321markw4321 Posts: 171 Officer
    None of my posts contained profanity and I was not abusive either. Their excuse for deleting me was that I was anonymous....
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Scott Hickman and Tom Ard were claiming I was posting under a fake name - Billy Sharpe I think. Whoever was posting as Billy Sharpe offered up a $2,500 bet it wasn't true, and I did as well but of course they didn't take it. They are living in a fantasy world of conspiracy theories.
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    What was really funny was that on their FB page they are blaming states for the virtually non-existent federal season
    but then responding to a question on why they are not fighting 30b so they can fish states waters responded with "there
    really is not a ARS state fishery....and 30b does not really hurt us". Same conversation same CFA member.....talking out
    of both sides of the mouth.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    Brad's a good guy.

    He does dabble in commercial fishing, definitely not a full timer..

    Course that's hard to see from Texas.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • markw4321markw4321 Posts: 171 Officer
    The block from my being able to post on the Charter Fisherman's Association (CFA) Facebook page has been removed and I have been invited to post there again. There was initial confusion as to whether or not I was a "real" person with a legitimate Facebook account because my Facebook page is set up for maximum privacy.

    Once I contacted CFA reps via Facebook messaging and explained the situation my posting privileges were restored.
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 11,619 AG
    Or was it maybe because they read here and are covering their azzes?:shrug
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    markw4321 wrote: »
    The block from my being able to post on the Charter Fisherman's Association (CFA) Facebook page has been removed and I have been invited to post there again. There was initial confusion as to whether or not I was a "real" person with a legitimate Facebook account because my Facebook page is set up for maximum privacy.

    Once I contacted CFA reps via Facebook messaging and explained the situation my posting privileges were restored.

    I see Tom Ard on the CFA FB page (Huckleberry, T-Total, Tin Foil Hat, Fairwaterfishing, Billy Sharpe, etc. etc.) is claiming that someone is using multiple fake aliases on FB - pretty funny. What a dolt. He won't take the $2,500 bet that he is wrong, but that doesn't stop him from making false accusations.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    Tom, if it would so suit you, would you please send me a link to this rule??

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    Dear ANUMBER1,

    You have received an infraction at Florida Sportsman Forums.

    Reason: Personal Attack
    Art,
    You need to find a new hobby - your continued attacks on me as a moderator are getting tiresome.

    This infraction is worth 3 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

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    That's what people do when they can't stand on the merits of their argument - they control the dialogue so that those who disagree with their stance are prohibited from participating in the discussion.
    kinda like you since you became a mod... yep, lying scumbag fits the bill.
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    I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on the new rules and infraction points that you assessed me in your PM.
    I certainly didn't mean to break any rules that you have set in CONFRON, I just followed suit from your example...

    I'll certainly keep a civil tongue if you and your minions will..

    Art
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • BinderBinder Posts: 4,003 Captain
    I wonder how many infraction points I have? Hmmmm
  • MosesMoses Posts: 1,203 Officer
    Binder wrote: »
    I wonder how many infraction points I have? Hmmmm

    Not enough......
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  • Toothy ThangToothy Thang Posts: 1,440 Officer
    Tom Hilton wrote: »

    Lying scumbags comes to mind for some reason...



    do mods get 1/2 an infraction point for using the same verbiage?
  • Ol MuckyOl Mucky Posts: 5,540 Admiral
    3 points!!!????

    You should go for the triple-double now.
    I have a much bigger and more powerful button
  • Whipper SnapperWhipper Snapper Posts: 577 Officer
    Penalty box time!
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  • yak_angleryak_angler Posts: 2,585 Captain
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Tom, if it would so suit you, would you please send me a link to this rule??

    "Tom Hilton Tom Hilton is online now
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    Dear ANUMBER1,

    You have received an infraction at Florida Sportsman Forums.

    Reason: Personal Attack
    Art,
    You need to find a new hobby - your continued attacks on me as a moderator are getting tiresome.

    This infraction is worth 3 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

    Original Post:
    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?p=2340915
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hilton View Post
    That's what people do when they can't stand on the merits of their argument - they control the dialogue so that those who disagree with their stance are prohibited from participating in the discussion.
    kinda like you since you became a mod... yep, lying scumbag fits the bill.
    All the best,
    Florida Sportsman Forums
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    I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on the new rules and infraction points that you assessed me in your PM.
    I certainly didn't mean to break any rules that you have set in CONFRON, I just followed suit from your example...

    I'll certainly keep a civil tongue if you and your minions will..

    Art

    double secret probation?? this place has become a pale shadow of what it used to be
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  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Anumber1 has hijacked and derailed this thread - it's time to get back on topic gentlemen.
  • SnookslangerSnookslanger Posts: 1,320 Officer
    Tom Hilton wrote: »
    Anumber1 has hijacked and derailed this thread - it's time to get back on topic gentlemen.

    Please answer the question.
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  • BinderBinder Posts: 4,003 Captain
    What was the question again?
  • drgibbydrgibby Posts: 1,538 Captain
    Tom Hilton wrote: »
    Anumber1 has hijacked and derailed this thread - it's time to get back on topic gentlemen.

    That seems to be the reoccurring theme with a#1. Please keep up the good work Mr. Hilton .
    Last time I checked this was the Florida SPORTSMAN Forum. I believe the **** and EXPLOIT the public resources for personal gain forum is located elsewhere...........
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    drgibby wrote: »
    That seems to be the reoccurring theme with a#1. Please keep up the good work Mr. Hilton .
    Last time I checked this was the Florida SPORTSMAN Forum. I believe the **** and EXPLOIT the public resources for personal gain forum is located elsewhere...........
    Are you questioning my character?
    Who are you?
    Got a name gibb?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • drgibbydrgibby Posts: 1,538 Captain
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Are you questioning my character?
    Who are you?
    Got a name gibb?
    Am I questioning your character? No sir! I don`t make it a habit to judge folks I don`t know.
    I was merely agreeing with Mod that yet another thread had been derailed by you. And that in fact seems to happen quite often.
    Who am I? I am a fourth generation Floridian and a avid recreational angler and hunter.
    My friends call me Gibby
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 5,982 Admiral
    Anyone can be a recreational fisherman and can also be blamed for taking red snapper, even if he has never done so, apparently even commercial fishermen are joining in on the recreational take, it is that good, apparently. It is hard to understand how recreational fishermen are taking virtually all of their red snapper from state waters (the bare fringes of the fishes range) these days, according to NOAA anyway, so who is the rest of the Gulf of Mexico red snapper fishery reserved for??
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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    drgibby wrote: »
    Am I questioning your character? No sir! I don`t make it a habit to judge folks I don`t know.
    I was merely agreeing with Mod that yet another thread had been derailed by you. And that in fact seems to happen quite often.
    Who am I? I am a fourth generation Floridian and a avid recreational angler and hunter.
    My friends call me Gibby
    Well Gibby, by some standards 4th generation could be only 50 years depending on the straightness of the family tree.

    Derail? Sure, anytime the rules are broken by the powers that be or their minions I'll give it right back... Pot meet kettle so to speak.

    your quote(I don`t make it a habit to judge folks I don`t know.), but some on here sure do!
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    In case you were wondering what a minion was...

    minion

    n.noun

    * An obsequious follower or dependent; a sycophant.

    * A subordinate official, especially a servile one.

    * One who is highly esteemed or favored; a darling.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 11,693 AG
    Take your pick.lol
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Getting back to the topic of this thread.

    Brad Kenyon is on the Board of Directors of the Gulf Fishermen Association - a COMMERCIAL fishing front group for EDF.

    Another pertinent fact omitted in his propaganda piece.

    http://www.gulffishermen.org/contact/
  • Docked WagesDocked Wages Posts: 2,923 Admin
    Guys lets stay on topic and throttle back on derails and personal attacks. I know there is a lot of water under the bridge, lets let go of the past and move forward from here. I appreciate everyone understanding, thanks!
    Mark P. Wilson
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