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  • harbisonharbison Posts: 4,554 Captain
    Not that I know of. It's going to be a tough fight. NOAA, backed by the EDF, is strong, united, and well funded.
    We are non of the above.
  • HuckleberryHuckleberry Posts: 180 Officer
    Tom Hilton wrote: »


    When it all comes out of the wash, Byrnes will probably end up getting 9 miles for Alabama and Mississippi, that would be great. The States already collect data so he already has that. I wonder if his bill will force Texas to actually report? Doubtful. Would be nice if the States had the power to do stock assessments that would be good, the possibility of having assessments that would be realistic to catch limits, I like the sound of that. Repealing Quotas? Very Doubtful.
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    Tom Hilton wrote: »

    that's a different story in your link, Mr. Hilton. The link Huckleberry gave is one to a proposed amendment by a Louisiana congressman to the bill the Committee passed. Byrnes apparently really attacked the amendment because it would have screwed Alabama, in favor of FL, LA and TX for allocations or something like that.

    Byrnes contributions to the bill to reauthorize Magnuson doesn't include giving fishery management control to the states; just giving the states the power to do the data collection/assessments. Red snapper would still be in Magnuson under his bill. I think you're thinking of LA Sen. Vittor's bill, which is the one supporting the GRSMA.
  • HuckleberryHuckleberry Posts: 180 Officer
    BubbaII wrote: »
    that's a different story in your link, Mr. Hilton. The link Huckleberry gave is one to a proposed amendment by a Louisiana congressman to the bill the Committee passed. Byrnes apparently really attacked the amendment because it would have screwed Alabama, in favor of FL, LA and TX for allocations or something like that.

    Byrnes contributions to the bill to reauthorize Magnuson doesn't include giving fishery management control to the states; just giving the states the power to do the data collection/assessments. Red snapper would still be in Magnuson under his bill. I think you're thinking of LA Sen. Vittor's bill, which is the one supporting the GRSMA.

    Bubba, Hilton's just holding on to the very threads of the boasting he has preached about what "is going to happen" which he's been about at least %90 in the wrong every time he tries to predict the future. That 5 director plan didn't stand a chance in HELL was I the only one on this forum that was smart enough to understand this? LOL y'all should have seen the money that CCA spent for the big celebration reception after the vote, it was kinda like wa,wa,wa. Not.
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    Bubba, Hilton's just holding on to the very threads of the boasting he has preached about what "is going to happen" which he's been about at least %90 in the wrong every time he tries to predict the future. That 5 director plan didn't stand a chance in HELL was I the only one on this forum that was smart enough to understand this? LOL y'all should have seen the money that CCA spent for the big celebration reception after the vote, it was kinda like wa,wa,wa. Not.

    yeah, I didn't expect that whole state control would do well, either. But it doesn't bode well for the future either, if it can't get out of a committee comprised of about 1/10 of the total house of representatives ......

    But I'm sure there is some scrambling going on behind the scenes now, for shure. Who knows what the future brings? You start waking sleeping giants, sometimes you get stepped on.

    Good example: the shrimp industry used to be on the chopping block; that went away, and they've been really quiet lately. Try doing something to further curtail their crushed industry and see what happens... its often best to let sleeping dogs lie.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Huckleberry (Tom Ard) is the only smart member on this forum - really pretty incredibly smart.

    And I mean really incredible.

    Bubba has a point about waking sleeping dogs.
  • harbisonharbison Posts: 4,554 Captain
    Lost opportunity for state management of red snapper








    House Committee member helps derail state management amendment



    WASHINGTON, DC - Legislation to transfer management of Gulf red snapper away from the federal government and allow the Gulf States to manage the fishery entirely was narrowly rejected last week during a hearing of the House Natural Resources Committee. The state management amendment was one of many being considered by the Committee during the mark up of HR 1335, a bill to reauthorize the Magnuson Stevens Act sponsored by Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska).



    With the support of the Chairman of the Committee and the sponsor of the bill, the state management amendment was offered by Rep. Garrett Graves (R-La.) to implement the recommendations of the five Gulf state directors to bring an innovative solution to the long-standing chaos of federal red snapper management. Unfortunately, in negotiations leading up to the vote and even during the hearing itself, Rep. Bradley Byrne (R-Ala.) vigorously opposed the state management amendment and promoted his own amendment that will tweak some aspects of snapper management but will ultimately maintain it under federal control and lock in status quo for the fishery.



    "On the same day that NOAA Fisheries announces a 10-day private recreational season and 44-day charter/for-hire season, Congressman Byrne successfully lobbied the Committee to leave the federal system largely intact. This is truly a lost opportunity to finally correct the chaotic management and privatization of red snapper," said Bill Bird, chairman of CCA's National Government Relations Committee. "Congressman Graves' amendment had the full support of the chairman, the manager of the bill and the Gulf states themselves. It is just disappointing to miss this chance to rectify decades of mismanagement due in large part to the efforts of the congressman from Alabama."




    In an email the night before the hearing, Byrne's office urged Committee members to reject the state-based management plan, stating that "if such an amendment were enacted it would drastically affect the Red Snapper management structure while leaving a great deal of uncertainty for all sectors involved." During the hearing itself, Rep. Byrne began by deriding federal management, calling its science deplorable and stating that he wanted a solution as badly as anyone in the room.




    "But this (Graves) amendment won't get us there because it pits one part of the fishery against another which guarantees we won't be able to get it to the floor for a vote," Byrne said. "It also takes things completely away from the federal government without having a well-thought-out substitute in its place."




    "I'm not sure how closely Congressman Byrne has been following red snapper, but federal management has already pitted parts of this fishery against the others. NOAA is actively promoting privatization

    schemes for some sectors and is already overseeing a system that is producing this year a 10-day private recreational sector season, a 44-day charter/for-hire sector season and a year-round commercial season," said Ted Venker, CCA Conservation Director. "This is a disaster decades in the making, and one that many elected officials have spent many years trying to unravel. The time for half-measures and tweaks to federal management is long past."




    The recreational community remains committed to the concept of state management for Gulf red snapper and will continue working with Congressman Graves and others to see the concept fully implemented.

    Coastal Conservation Association of Florida
  • Got TA GoGot TA Go Posts: 2,608 Captain

    Is there more that you'd like to add to the link you posted?

    You've now posted it on 2 threads.

    Do you have something to say about it?

    Rob
    www.gottagofishinginkeywest.com


    Hero's Don't Wear Capes....They Wear Dog Tags.
  • HuckleberryHuckleberry Posts: 180 Officer
    Got TA Go wrote: »
    Is there more that you'd like to add to the link you posted?

    You've now posted it on 2 threads.

    Do you have something to say about it?

    Rob


    Not really it speaks for itself. This administration is not going to let the rebuilding of Americas fisheries go to the states. This really speaks volumes, something I have known for a while. Now this from Rubio might get some traction, will have to wait and see. Just goes to prove what I have always said that the Feds are not going to let go. http://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Press-Releases&id=c56c021b-2b80-49cd-8661-d47802cdd18f
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Looks like Rubio is the real Public Enemy #1 of our Oceans - he needs to be voted out of office.
  • HuckleberryHuckleberry Posts: 180 Officer
    Tom Hilton wrote: »
    Looks like Rubio is the real Public Enemy #1 of our Oceans - he needs to be voted out of office.

    Care to explain your stance Hilton?
  • Got TA GoGot TA Go Posts: 2,608 Captain
    Care to explain your stance Hilton?

    Tom....I read, and re-read Huckleberry's link.... Unless I'm missing something, I don't have a problem.

    Marco might need to have a reason to have his think re-aligned... But as voters, we can do that.

    What we can't do is apply pressure to Govt appointees.

    That's where we lose.

    Rob
    www.gottagofishinginkeywest.com


    Hero's Don't Wear Capes....They Wear Dog Tags.
  • TrippleTailIVTrippleTailIV Posts: 197 Officer
    I have to agree with GTG and Huckleberry, what is the problem with Rubio's stance? Is it the GSI statements?

    There are a few things that should be altered, but as GTG notes, that can be done.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,585 Captain
    Rubio is promoting certain things that are VITAL in order for Sector Separation to move forward, such as repealing 407(D).

    Many of the things he is suggesting entrenches the decisions made regarding our fisheries management in the hands of the Dept of Commerce - that is the OPPOSITE direction we need to be going. Remember that the NMFS used to be called the Dept. of Commercial Fisheries I believe - it is obvious that their primary focus is biased towards the commercialization of the fisheries - they are not capable, or should I say willing to manage the fisheries for the best interests of the recreational anglers.

    There is no mention of Catch Shares - the number one thing threatening the future of our access to our fisheries, and how they should be addressed.
  • Got TA GoGot TA Go Posts: 2,608 Captain
    Tom Hilton wrote: »
    Rubio is promoting certain things that are VITAL in order for Sector Separation to move forward, such as repealing 407(D).

    Tom... I think that we need to let SS run its course. They achieved their goal via better lobbyist. Just like CS did in the Comm Sector. Both are bought and paid for at the Council level.

    The main problem that seems to be driving these issues is the data.

    We need to show them the Rec Sector has more buying power as a whole to reach to the SoC.

    We need to have better data to show the participation of the Rec Sector.

    CS and SS will hang themselves.

    I say feed them rope.

    Rob
    www.gottagofishinginkeywest.com


    Hero's Don't Wear Capes....They Wear Dog Tags.
  • markw4321markw4321 Posts: 171 Officer
    Not really it speaks for itself. This administration is not going to let the rebuilding of Americas fisheries go to the states. This really speaks volumes, something I have known for a while. Now this from Rubio might get some traction, will have to wait and see. Just goes to prove what I have always said that the Feds are not going to let go. http://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Press-Releases&id=c56c021b-2b80-49cd-8661-d47802cdd18f

    Given the Republican controlled House and Senate I would not necessarily rule out the possibility that some or all of Congressman Bradley Byrne's verbiage concerning Gulf management of snapper will make it into the final Magnuson Reauthorization act. As I'm sure you are aware Republican's recently played "hardball" with the confirmation of our new attorney general until they got what they wanted on a piece of legislation regarding human trafficking.
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/politics/loretta-lynch-attorney-general-vote.html?referrer=&_r=0

    Just saying because the White House does not approve of measures that Congress has drafted doesn't mean it's the end and that a lot can happen between now and when the reauthorization is signed. God only knows what horse trading will go on in terms of the legislative language within the final version of the act.
  • CountryBumpkinCountryBumpkin Fla. Piney WoodsPosts: 1,771 Captain
    Why doesn't Rubio want you to know what 407D is without having to go look it up?

    Why didn't his press release just spell out what that would mean instead of nonchalantly mentioning it in a bullet near the end?

    It isn't like it is a whole long wordy section or anything. What questions is he afraid might be asked if he had just wrote it out like this?:shrug

    Repeals Section 407(d) of MSA;

    (d) CATCH LIMITS.—Any fishery management plan, plan amendment, or regulation
    submitted by the Gulf Council for the red snapper
    fishery after the date of enactment of the
    Sustainable Fisheries Act shall contain conservation and management measures that--
    (1) establish separate quotas for recreational
    fishing (which, for the purposes of this
    subsection shall include charter fishing) and co
    mmercial fishing that, when reached, result in
    a prohibition on the retention of fish caught
    during recreational fishing and commercial
    fishing, respectively, for the remainder of the fishing year; and
    (2) ensure that such quotas reflect allocati
    ons among such sectors and do not reflect any
    harvests in excess of such allocations.

    Will the real slim shady please stand up! :grin
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