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If pelagics are the wanderers of the ocean, they are the homebodies... Sure they will move at times and have spawning patterns, but pelagics basically don't ever stop moving.
I think it will be interesting to see what channels light up in opposition to this.
Tight Lines,
Eric Fosbender
Team Googanator
2006 Bull Dolphin 22 with 250 Etec
Who determines the difference between migrating and weekend jaunts?
I understand the HMS deal, but if you and CCA think that all those 6-7lb ARS off Tampa grew to that size/quantity in a year or two then you really don't have a clue.
They migrated here... Duh.
Where did I say that? Duh! I migrate to work every morning, Duh!
MS are you laughing yet??
My posts are my opinion only.
Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Will Rogers
Or even Alabama to Crystal River....
Again Einstein...
Is there a distance requirement for a fish to be considered migrating?
Who determines the difference between migrating and weekend jaunts
And while Y'all are thinking about it, think about how many more shrimp trawlers were plying the Gulf back then.:grin
While were at it lets go back to the Cuban Fleet days.. I'm sure you remember.
Let's move forward into a new era of sound and science based fisheries management, for the people, by the states, with the most valuable use of the resourse for the majority, and not for just a select few.:)
The enviros hired a scientist from LSU to provide the answer; The red snapper being caught in the Alabama reefing zones have been "migrating" from natural reefs on Texas offshore banks across the Gulf to Alabama artificial reefs!"
I had to call this "scientist" on the phone to speak directly with him since I couldn't believe what he was actually claiming. The best "science" (based on predetermined outcomes) that money can buy I guess.!
If this is true, then they must be walking across all of the snapper stacked up in the narrow strait of suitable water depth off of the Mississippi delta as they make their way onward towards the Alabama reef zones....yeah, right.
To answer Number1's query, the snapper off of the western coast of Florida were brought there, by and large, by the "reshuffling of the deck" currents that occur with hurricanes Ivan and Katrina, at least according to Dr. Shipp. The natural gas pipeline also played a role - the one that extends from Dauphin Island to Tampa Bay - the pipeline with the limestone mitigation piles was in effect an artificial reef several hundred miles long.
Amen!
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/…/red-snapper-proposal-worries-…
This guy doesn't mind lying one bit - there is NO WAY that this joker speaks for ALL charter boat fishermen.
ATTENTION ALL GULF RECREATIONAL ANGLERS:
The GSRSMA is a big deal and it is our best hope. One thing that we can all do ASAP is contact your governor and key elected officials to express support for state management. We are hearing that the EDF/CFA crew is simply hammering those offices in opposition and they are the only ones officials are hearing from. Our state guys stuck their necks out on this one and so we need to do everything we can to stand behind them on it. If you can get your key people to begin reaching out to their reps, it would be the best thing we can do at this point.
It's really difficult to be sad, pathetic and funny all at once But I believe he pulled it off.
Dude(and another one of his cronies who's name escapes me) was a class A jerk back at the sector separation meeting in Tampa(yes, he was in my little group they separated us all into)..........pushing his agenda, pushing his agenda, blah blah blah.
With Roy sitting there nodding his head.:mad
I gotta go now, I'm having flashbacks:willynilly
PLEASE feel free to reply.
Either here or in a PM.
Jarvis speaks for a very few who see only possible short term advantages for them; the hell with everyone else. Gary Jarvis speaks for Gary Jarvis.
Rest assured EDF's NOAA will be out in full force against state management of our fishery. EDF controls what was once our fishery; they want to keep it that way.
Directly from EDF:
Help Reach Our $1 Million Goal
Your donation will be put to immediate use achieving our concrete, actionable goals for 2015.
We have been seeing way too much ''immediate use" in EDF's push for Shares/Separation. Shares/Separation, limited access PAID fishing.
Your quote is exactly my point.
1) The IFQ is to remain, but
2) all management of red snapper must be vacated from the Council and the FMP.
Those are conflicting statements. The Council/NMFS can't manage the IFQ if its not in the FMP.
So its not so simple.
you do realize you have just described the Council's plan for regional management, and said you support that concept? Where you fish isn't an issue; its where you land - that is where your fish come off a quota.
And I agree; its unfair some states get 9 miles; some 3. But from what I hear, only Congress can change that.
except when the shrimp fleet declined, red snapper recruitment didn't increase in a reverse trend. Other species did, but not red snapper. Some consultant put out a paper on that, saying its called compensatory mortality. By increasing the other fish feeding species, basically those baby snapper just suffered a different fate than dying in a shrimp trawl.
That's because juvenile snapper have an extremely high natural mortality rate, so even if they escaped the shrimp trawl, there was an extremely high probability that they would be eaten anyway. That's nothing new. That's why artificial reefs play such an important role in increasing red snapper numbers; Reef zones become de facto "no trawl" areas due to obvious reasons, and the structures provide haven for juveniles to escape predation and increase their survival rate. So, the juvenile red snapper, shrimp, crabs, flounder, etc. that would have died as shrimp trawl bycatch are allowed to thrive and the structures help them keep them from being eaten.
A win-win for the red snapper and other species as the ecosystem is built from the bottom up.
Mark W. sent the following to Rubio, Nelson, Miller, and Governor Scott. Please pass it on to as many of our representatives as you possibly can. It's time to take back OUR fishery!
I am writing to request your support of the recently developed state based plan to manage Gulf Of Mexico Red Snapper under the "Gulf States Red Snapper Management Authority". Florida and the other Gulf states have proven to be highly successful at fish and wildlife management in a way that conserves natural resources while allowing for reasonable public access.
The states' plan is predicated on transferring management authority away from the Gulf Council and the National Marine Fisheries Service. Management by the states is the only solution to the current unaccountable and mismanaged federal system of fisheries management. The gulf states are among the nation's leaders in marine fisheries management. Under this new management structure, each state would have authority to manage red snapper out to 200 miles off its coastline. Each state would be responsible for developing and implementing a red snapper management plan for its waters, which would be approved by the rest of the states.
I am confident that the Gulf States Red Snapper Management Authority management outcomes will align with the health of the resource and angler access to it. Mark W.
FIFY Simpleton.
Well let me say this as plainly as I know how and maybe you can understand it.
The majority is no longer interested in "some consultant's opinion" or in King Roy's minions opinions or even in your opinion Mr. BubbaII.
We are ready to put our fishery into the hands of the capable "state employed" fisheries biologists, and get all the politicians, lobbyists, and paid report writers and number crunchers out of it.
I hope I put that simply enough that even you can understand it.:grin
That puts you in good company with most of the crew at NMFS currently deciding all the management rules.:grin
I would be shocked if you did too, red snapper are not too common in bays and estuaries.
No Bubba it is not exactly like what you are saying, NOAA still calls the shots in their proposed regional management scheme. They still put us all in the same category. The red snapper fishery off of Texas has little to do with the red snapper fishery off of Florida. NOAA needs to get completely out of managing snapper and grouper.
My posts are my opinion only.
Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Will Rogers
So Tom, basically this expert the enviros hired is claiming that all red snapper migrate to this one particular area off of Texas to spawn and then they migrate back to where ever they came from to live, sort of like salmon, except salmon usually die as a result of that effort. Is that what he was trying to claim? Wow that is amazing!!
My posts are my opinion only.
Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Will Rogers
But the Council/NMFS can't manage what isn't in their FMP. If ALL red snapper regs are removed from the FMP, then the IFQ is removed to. Ergo, the statement that the IFQ would be managed for 3 more years is in conflict with what you quoted. What aren't you understanding here?