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2/16/15 - Box/Frame and Seine Nets ILLEGAL IN FLORISA

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  • will's dadwill's dad Posts: 102 Deckhand
    Correct, CCA has only spoken out against the commercial fish gill nets. Recreational box nets for Shrimp have never been discussed, acknowledged, or even thought about.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    It appears that the only one who knew about this was lee noga. FWC never heard about it
  • MackokidMackokid Posts: 918 Officer
    I recon everyone here had a bad week or something cause it seems most of the bashing I see here is done by an account created after this thread started..... almost as if someone from another site trying to pull something....... however I digress.

    I recon I'll be the first one on this 4 page thread to stand up Mrs. Noga. I've known her for a few years now and go to the shrimping academy BBQ's every year. I now live 3 hours away and use her site often to make sure when the proper time to go is. Has saved me lots of gas money when they weren't running. I have bought numerous products from her thru the years as well including 3 MacDaddy lights (which she drove to the dock to deliver to me with a quick tutorial on how to set them up). These lights have been nothing but spectacular. I can go 2 full nights with all 3 lights on one battery without charging the battery. I bought a frame net from her previous supplier who also met me at the ramp and gave me a quick tutorial on how to set it up and deploy it properly. I've seen her on the water multiple times (both with guests and solo). One thing that I do recall about every time I've seen her on the water is that wherever she goes.... people follow!

    All-in-all there are tons of people out there with similar good stories. Its up to you to believe what you read on the internet. Just my $0.02.
    "History is much like an endless waltz; the three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever" -Mariemaia Kushrenada
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    Not everyone.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • mango mikemango mike Posts: 248 Deckhand
    mackokid obviously you haven't been behind scenes . I use to be one of her commanders on her site. Im not bashing her but im not defending her either. I wouldn't trust all that is said. personal gain makes people crazy and do things to good people along the way . this is my OPINION FROM KNOWLEDGE I gained behind the scenes , she lost some very fine people,builders and suppliers because things didn't go her way. or if you don't have anything to place on the table for her. just one persons OPINION
  • S.S.TupperwareS.S.Tupperware Posts: 1,057 Officer
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    With her coming out and starting this thread of her own volition and not once trying to defend any of the statements posted in the 4 pages, it tells me that it's true. She doesn't want to try and defend herself on a forum that is open where she can't threaten or delete the comments. She pulls that crap on her site because she can get away with it, she can't get away with it here!!
    She does do some good things, if she focused on the the good she could go a long way but she is unable to promote without bashing, or all in out lying. Case in point is this thread. FWC was called immediately after she posted this and after checking the FWC had never heard anything about this. So when she goes to public forums and spurts something as ludicrous as this, she will be called out.
    Remember, she stated that she is "out front of this" !
    Have you ever seen the FWC or any other state agency turn a ruling around in 3 days??? Of course not. FWC would have several meetings which would take weeks if not months to even consider turning a rule around. So when she says "we won" just what did she win???
    That's my $.02 cents
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    "Commanders", "Academy", epilates, icons, shrimp, seriously?
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    Like I said... SCAM ARTIST. Even her "commander admits she's nothing but a fake. Hence the reason she will not post again on this thread because she can't explain her way out of this lie.
  • mango mikemango mike Posts: 248 Deckhand
    Like I said... SCAM ARTIST. Even her "commander admits she's nothing but a fake. Hence the reason she will not post again on this thread because she can't explain her way out of this lie.

    USE TO BE. didn't say I was proud. there is also another participant on this thread that was also one of her commanders. we both were there in the beginning. if he chooses to tell his name that's up to him. . I agree she hasn't come back to defend herself , like I said im NOT bashing her nor defending her at all. it is awful strange everything was turned around in such short order . for petesake we cant get anything done about the red snapper situation , whos gonna **** and moan over a few shrimp the get that kind of reaction in three days time. thousands are pissing and moaning about the rs and cant accomplish anythingand it has been 5 +/- yrs on that one.
  • SpecialistSpecialist Posts: 79 Deckhand
    mango mike wrote: »
    USE TO BE. didn't say I was proud. there is also another participant on this thread that was also one of her commanders. we both were there in the beginning. if he chooses to tell his name that's up to him. . I agree she hasn't come back to defend herself , like I said im NOT bashing her nor defending her at all. it is awful strange everything was turned around in such short order . for petesake we cant get anything done about the red snapper situation , whos gonna **** and moan over a few shrimp the get that kind of reaction in three days time. thousands are pissing and moaning about the rs and cant accomplish anythingand it has been 5 +/- yrs on that one.

    Hey Mike!

    I am that "former commander" Mango Mike was talking about. I never wanted to be called a commander. That was her idea and I never wore a shirt with the epaulettes. (I'm a 12yr Navy vet) I was one of the people that helped her build her site from the early days. It did start out as a good thing. It was a very friendly group of people that set out to share and help. She has done some good things over the years, but also has dumped on some very excellent people for personal reasons. She does not have any integrity as far as I'm concerned and I probably got to know her better than most. I believe that everything took a turn for the worst as soon as she saw a potential for profit. I could go on and on and cite specifics but I will not stoop to that level. (probably could write a book) You must ask a question though. Why has she "dumped" all of her right hand people that actually did the most work for that site?
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    The answer is simple. It's in her nature to screw over people for profit. The same reason why she draws a disability check, makes money under the table with shrimping trips, sales, donations, etc. So please work hard and pay your taxes so she can enjoy life having not to earn a living. She is the equivalent of a thief.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    Is she that desperate for attention that she'll post a bold face lie that is easily refuted with a simple phone call to the FWC, or does she think people will just take her on her word??
  • SpecialistSpecialist Posts: 79 Deckhand
    Shrimpman wrote: »
    Is she that desperate for attention that she'll post a bold face lie that is easily refuted with a simple phone call to the FWC, or does she think people will just take her on her word??

    Well she is a "local sports icon" isn't she? I know people with more knowledge and experience in their little toe! lol
    Highly successful people will have others brag about them and their accomplishments. If you have to brag about yourself, you're just downright rude and obnoxious.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    What King of self proclaimed shrimping guru doesn't shrimp?? After all, she does run the "academy of shrimp" yet no one has seen her on the water. How can she post an accurate report for the coastal angler if she's not out shrimping. By the way her C A reports are way off. People where reporting full pulls and she says the shrimp are only here and there. Oh well, she's pretty well washed up.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    Well she's back at it, spouting off how monofilament frame nets are illegal. Refer to page 1 of this post to see where she claims that she won. She won what?? This so called law actually went into effect 7-1-05 if we use her quoted statute but that really shouldn't matter if she won. Read all the posts from the beginning and you'll see just how full of crap she really is!!!
    It would appear that she talked Ed Schumacher into buying all the new materials to build non mono nets and he wants them sold to recoup his money. Good luck Ed, that's what you get for throwing in with the likes of Lee Noga.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
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    UPDATE on ILLEGAL MONO Box & Frame Nets--

    WE WON! They are NOT enforcing 68B-4.0081 rule, we can use mono shrimping collection devices and a directive will be published on FWC website shortly. They are changing this rule to include mono box and frame nets as exempt.

    USE your mono shrimping collection devices. We got FWC attention by having 100's of calls sent their way and the shrimping industry has been heard!...

    Thank you for joining the Capt Lee Noga and Ed Shumaker in this fight. Please spread the word. "This rule will NOT be enforced" says Capt Rowe.


    Read more: http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?183158-2-16-15-Box-Frame-and-Seine-Nets-ILLEGAL-IN-FLORISA#ixzz3kcObXmx9
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    Now she's spreading rumors again by stating that monofilament frame nets are illegal. Why would anybody want to put this much confusion into recreational shrimping?? This month in the coastal angler she's warning against using the monofilament frame nets, which is followed by her trying to sell replacement mesh nets. I guess this answers all the confusion! She trying to screw everybody again!!
    This was all started by Lee Noga back in February just to make a buck off unsuspecting members of her dwindling forum where all she does is sell or attempt to sell shrimping equipment. I think if you look around you'll find better shrimping equipment and a better shrimping forum and club.
  • timwfmtimwfm Posts: 258 Deckhand
    I will used my frame net until I get a warning ticket. what about the commercial guys? Are they still allowed to shrimp at the Oak hill area?
  • JohnathanJohnathan Posts: 14 Greenhorn
    From a Yankee headed South

    Not sure if this thread is still active BUT I am not defending Ms Noga or agreeing with all I read here!

    Just for the record... read this https://www.flrules.org/gateway/ChapterHome.asp?Chapter=68B-4
    Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications and click on the left WORD document, the law has been in effect since 7/1/2005 and the way I read it it sounds like someone is pushing to have it enforced.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, won't be the first time!

    The reason I researched this is my plans on moving back to Fla in Nov include shrimping and was considering a frame net, wanna stay legal ya know!

    68B-4.0081 Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications.
    (1) This rule is intended to implement prohibitions and restrictions of Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution. As used there and in this rule, the term “net” or “netting” shall be broadly construed to include all manner or combination of mesh or webbing or any other solid or semisolid fabric or other material used to comprise a device that is used to take or harvest marine life.
    (2) The following gear specifications shall apply in all state waters:
    (a) The use or placement in the water of any gill or entangling nets of any size is prohibited.
    (b) Any net constructed wholly or partially of monofilament or multistrand monofilament material, other than a hand thrown cast net, or a handheld landing or dip net, shall be considered an entangling net prohibited by Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution, and this rule, unless otherwise authorized by rule of the Commission. The term “multistrand monofilament” does not include braided or twisted twines made of nylon, cotton, linen, or polypropylene.
  • timwfmtimwfm Posts: 258 Deckhand
    IMHO. I am going to use the same gear that I have been using for the last 5 year until the almighty come into my boat and give me a warning to remove my gear. :crossed
  • JethroJethro Posts: 409 Deckhand
    I have seen the fwc confiscate gear of shrimpers for some reason
  • timwfmtimwfm Posts: 258 Deckhand
    fishing (shrimping) without a license? Or catch more then they are allowed to?:nono:nono

    Jethro wrote: »
    I have seen the fwc confiscate gear of shrimpers for some reason
  • timwfmtimwfm Posts: 258 Deckhand
    Latest update

    Here is my 2 cent, I talk to Mr Alan Peirce at FWC (850-617-9647). He mention to me that the law been in affect for 20 year(never changes). Mono is used in dipnet and castnet only. The law never changes. It not illegal to sell the framenet with mono but it is illegal to use them in Florida. Also, he mention that some people in the Brevard been pushing the FWC officer to enforce this law. HMMMM sound real fishy now. IMO IMO It seem that the supplier been selling illegal net to the user for many years and now selling the legal stuff. God luck with people with all the frame net. Great business for the supplier. Welcome to America

    :nono:nono:nono:wink:wink:wink:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
    Johnathan wrote: »
    From a Yankee headed South

    Not sure if this thread is still active BUT I am not defending Ms Noga or agreeing with all I read here!

    Just for the record... read this https://www.flrules.org/gateway/ChapterHome.asp?Chapter=68B-4
    Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications and click on the left WORD document, the law has been in effect since 7/1/2005 and the way I read it it sounds like someone is pushing to have it enforced.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, won't be the first time!

    The reason I researched this is my plans on moving back to Fla in Nov include shrimping and was considering a frame net, wanna stay legal ya know!

    68B-4.0081 Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications.
    (1) This rule is intended to implement prohibitions and restrictions of Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution. As used there and in this rule, the term “net” or “netting” shall be broadly construed to include all manner or combination of mesh or webbing or any other solid or semisolid fabric or other material used to comprise a device that is used to take or harvest marine life.
    (2) The following gear specifications shall apply in all state waters:
    (a) The use or placement in the water of any gill or entangling nets of any size is prohibited.
    (b) Any net constructed wholly or partially of monofilament or multistrand monofilament material, other than a hand thrown cast net, or a handheld landing or dip net, shall be considered an entangling net prohibited by Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution, and this rule, unless otherwise authorized by rule of the Commission. The term “multistrand monofilament” does not include braided or twisted twines made of nylon, cotton, linen, or polypropylene.
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    Why is that they would post a video on YouTube with Ed Schumaker saying that his mono nets are legal in Florida, and then all of a sudden they are pushing nylon nets?!
    https://youtu.be/nZjW8hHRTUM
  • timwfmtimwfm Posts: 258 Deckhand
    It legal for Ed to sell the MONO net but it not legal for the people in Florida to used it. That video is made in 2013. From this thread, Capt Lee Noga said that the new law went into affect feb of this year. IMHO, she is wrong. The law have been in affect for 20 year. It never been change. You can never used mono on frame net. IMO, I would never used the new net that Ed is selling either (Polypropylene material). If the manatee swim into it and get stuck. It will kill them. The old net ( mono )would break and the manatee can escape. So don't used FRAME NET. Get some work out and DIP like a real MAN. LOL:grin:grin:grin:grin:grin:grin
    Why is that they would post a video on YouTube with Ed Schumaker saying that his mono nets are legal in Florida, and then all of a sudden they are pushing nylon nets?!
    https://youtu.be/nZjW8hHRTUM
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    Your absolutely right about the new net materiel. Not only will it do more harm to the manatees and such it is also dangerous to the boaters using it and other boaters in the area.
    Noga swears up and down that she has nothing to do with this coming to the attention of the FWC but I think this entire post says otherwise along with her site.
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    Shrimpman wrote: »
    Your absolutely right about the new net materiel. Not only will it do more harm to the manatees and such it is also dangerous to the boaters using it and other boaters in the area.
    Noga swears up and down that she has nothing to do with this coming to the attention of the FWC but I think this entire post says otherwise along with her site.

    Lee Noga is a scam artist plain and simple!!! Draws a disability check because sure she is lazy and prefers to scam hard working folk. Once people saw her for what she is, she came up with bogus lie to cash in. With over 6k views the word is out. Why do you think has not posted to defend herself? Simple, she can't!
  • MackokidMackokid Posts: 918 Officer
    I think what is most interesting is a couple people on this particular thread started their account right after this thread started and got most of their post count by beating the same dead horse again and again on said thread. Everybody knows your with one of the other shrimping websites, that's fine. But enough is enough!! Move on with your lives and go shrimping. While your at it, how about posting a report or 2 since your the expert on the subject and get full pulls every time you go!!
    "History is much like an endless waltz; the three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever" -Mariemaia Kushrenada
  • JethroJethro Posts: 409 Deckhand
    I motivated a few to sign up back a couple years ago when posting about the sea spirt
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