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2/16/15 - Box/Frame and Seine Nets ILLEGAL IN FLORISA

Please do not deploy any mono-filament box/frame or seine net. FWC since January privately talked about outlawing these devices. They ruled they would be enforcing this new reg. They are saying it is the MONO material that categorizes our gear as a ENTANGLEMENT GILL net. We have been on the phone with lawyers and higher powers.

The webbing has to be nylon to be legal.

Ed Shumaker, myself and others are out in front of this and we will most likely head to court.

The law went into effect at 1:30 pm on 2/16/15.

They will issue a warning the first time
Ticket the second time.

The statute is 68-B-4.007 and commercial guys CANNOT use wing nets either.

More news forth coming as it develops.

I will develop this store on my FB page Capt Lee Noga (LeeNoga.com) forum link out.
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  • SpecialistSpecialist Posts: 79 Deckhand
    Sure would be nice if you would tell everyone where this information is coming from and exactly where it can be confirmed. I cannot find any news of it on the FWC website or the FALCON (Florida Administrative Law Central Online Network).
  • Capt_LeeNogaCapt_LeeNoga Posts: 10 Greenhorn
    Update 2/19/15

    Mono-filament collection devices (dip nets and cast nets excluded) WILL be enforced.

    The meetings are over, this rule stands. Please flood FWC with your opposition Lt. Irvin Titusville, Officer Horst, Bio Scientist & Legal Christa Shipley (850)487-0554 and FWC 321-383-5535. Nylon material collection devices are mandated. First offense is warning, second is 2nd degree misdemeanor felony and $178 ticket. It was Officer Horst that gave the ticket to Mr. Johnson on 2/14/15.

    Marker69.com has nylon coming in and will be focusing on nylon production to get people back in the water during peak of season. We hope to keep the replacement bags at $50 and frame nets at $125 complete. We will replace Shumaker nets with nylon bag for free but you need to buy the nylon bag. We will have limited numbers so get on the list.

    Please contact your representative and congressman. FWC cannot answer exactly what we are gilling...outlawing mono makes no sense.

    FWC will be at the boat ramps, this is a very profitable rule change for them.

    There is a lot of people in denial, there are net builders that said they will keep making mono nets, we have retail stores saying my info is wrong. The Academy of Shrimping and Colleagues are leading this fight. We have many of us trying to get arrested/ticketed on the water so we can go to court. We need your voice, and I have disclosed the names and phone numbers of the people behind this enforcement.

    There are retail stores saying I am all wrong, I beg to differ. I have now given you full disclosure and whether you like it or you do not, this law is bringing FWC to the boat ramps and on the river as long as the shrimp are running. You better have working nav lights, updated fishing license, flotation device and NO more than 5 gallons of shrimp on your boat.

    Please think this through, and error on the side of the law. A $50 bag is cheaper than a $178 ticket and felony on your record. If you want to help, blow up FWC phones, don't blow me up. This situation is real, and we ask that you ignore those who make a lot of noise and are in denial or who choose to willfully break the law.
  • Capt_LeeNogaCapt_LeeNoga Posts: 10 Greenhorn
    Refer to: 68B-4.0081 Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications.

    68B-4.0081 Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications.

    (1) This rule is intended to implement prohibitions and restrictions of Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution. As used there and in this rule, the term “net” or “netting” shall be broadly construed to include all manner or combination of mesh or webbing or any other solid or semisolid fabric or other material used to comprise a device that is used to take or harvest marine life.

    (2) The following gear specifications shall apply in all state waters:

    (a) The use or placement in the water of any gill or entangling nets of any size is prohibited.

    (b) Any net constructed wholly or partially of monofilament or multistrand monofilament material, other than a hand thrown cast net, or a handheld landing or dip net, shall be considered an entangling net prohibited by Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution, and this rule, unless otherwise authorized by rule of the Commission.

    The term “multistrand monofilament” does not include braided or twisted twines made of nylon, cotton, linen, or polypropylene.


    Note: This is why nylon will make a shrimping collection device legal.
  • Capt_LeeNogaCapt_LeeNoga Posts: 10 Greenhorn
    UPDATE on ILLEGAL MONO Box & Frame Nets--

    WE WON! They are NOT enforcing 68B-4.0081 rule, we can use mono shrimping collection devices and a directive will be published on FWC website shortly. They are changing this rule to include mono box and frame nets as exempt.

    USE your mono shrimping collection devices. We got FWC attention by having 100's of calls sent their way and the shrimping industry has been heard!...

    Thank you for joining the Capt Lee Noga and Ed Shumaker in this fight. Please spread the word. "This rule will NOT be enforced" says Capt Rowe.
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,925 Captain
    Weird how FWC had never heard of this. Never anything on their website either. I wonder how many nylon nets were sold. I hope no one was duped by this misleading information:rolleyes: i don't even think the statue referenced even exists
  • OusatsuOusatsu Posts: 23 Greenhorn
    reel teal, the statue exists and was easily found via google. i am not saying that there was a change to the rules recently, just that the rules are there. I didnt notice anything specific to shrimping, but i also didnt look very hard

    https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?ID=68B-4.0081
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,925 Captain
    Ousatsu wrote: »
    reel teal, the statue exists and was easily found via google. i am not saying that there was a change to the rules recently, just that the rules are there. I didnt notice anything specific to shrimping, but i also didnt look very hard

    https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?ID=68B-4.0081
    That's not the statute referenced. I found that one, im talking about .007

    As to the commission to now decide the nets are not allowed to then be able to enforce the law seems a stretch. No FWC personel in Tallahassee or field officers i talked to ever heard of this. $$$$$
  • OusatsuOusatsu Posts: 23 Greenhorn
    gotcha, my apologies i missed that. been a really hectic and long day at work so far. a quick google search didnt find anything either, although i suppose that it could be a typo but nothing really seems close to it or somehow a misunderstanding about this (timing is at least semi interesting).

    http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2015/02/20/florida-supreme-court-upholds-net-ban/23744603/

    personally i would have risked the ticket then fought it out in court. however if it was a misrepresentation i suppose someone could reach out to the attorney general and file a complaint. There is a whole slew of fraud statues that might apply, especially if they refuse a refund. ;)

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0817/0817PartIContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2012&Title=-%3E2012-%3EChapter%20817-%3EPart%20I
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,925 Captain
    no worries at all. just think its weird how a supplier of nets passes on this info and no one else hears about it and quickly its overturned. I cant even think of another scenario where something like that has happened. only over 100 phone calls were needed lol right. If that's all it took then we would have our way with the wildlife laws. seems fishy to me, thats all. the reasoning to buy a net rather than risk a ticket was also a bit fishy to me. to each his own though. I receive countless emails about everything from FWC and know some officers. When we were scrambling to find out what was going on they all were unaware. one of the officers patrols an area with heavy shrimping, i figured he ought to know since he would be one to give out tickets for the offense.
  • OusatsuOusatsu Posts: 23 Greenhorn
    very true all all points. of course if someone is concerned about the immediate dollar, they lose the long term and reoccurring dollar. poor way to do business and for a business sector where word of mouth and reputation can make a considerable impact, not the brightest move to make.
  • gblack15gblack15 Posts: 20 Greenhorn
    Interesting the news article talks about CCA working hard to keep the ban in place but no one from CCA chimed in on the thread. Sounds like someone was fear mongering to sell nets to me.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    It amazes me how a state run agency can reverse a ruling in less than 3 days. The thought of the FWC enforcing a new (secret rule) is ludicrous to say the least. I've spoken to the FWC and like other members of this forum and other local forums, no one knows anything about this but Lee Noga. That in itself speaks volumes about the good captains credibility. It seems more like a stupid stunt that went awry and she announces that "we won"! I've seen her pick fights with a couple of Local shrimp light manufactures stating that she challenged them and they didn't show up... Hmmmm. Looks familiar doesn't it. I guess she wins by default if what or who doesn't know that she's engaged in a challenge with them. After reading all the post regarding this issue I just had to put my 2 cents in. As she describes herself as a "sports mentor" in the community I for one wish she'd act like a mentor and not a raving lunatic who runs around pushing the panic button
  • SpecialistSpecialist Posts: 79 Deckhand
    gblack15 wrote: »
    Interesting the news article talks about CCA working hard to keep the ban in place but no one from CCA chimed in on the thread. Sounds like someone was fear mongering to sell nets to me.

    The article was talking about gill nets for fish. It was not talking about shrimping frame nets with small mesh. To my knowledge the CCA has never commented on shrimping frame nets.
  • gblack15gblack15 Posts: 20 Greenhorn
    AMEN
    Shrimpman wrote: »
    It amazes me how a state run agency can reverse a ruling in less than 3 days. The thought of the FWC enforcing a new (secret rule) is ludicrous to say the least. I've spoken to the FWC and like other members of this forum and other local forums, no one knows anything about this but Lee Noga. That in itself speaks volumes about the good captains credibility. It seems more like a stupid stunt that went awry and she announces that "we won"! I've seen her pick fights with a couple of Local shrimp light manufactures stating that she challenged them and they didn't show up... Hmmmm. Looks familiar doesn't it. I guess she wins by default if what or who doesn't know that she's engaged in a challenge with them. After reading all the post regarding this issue I just had to put my 2 cents in. As she describes herself as a "sports mentor" in the community I for one wish she'd act like a mentor and not a raving lunatic who runs around pushing the panic button
  • hodgie2411hodgie2411 Posts: 244 Deckhand
    The fact that she misleads everyone by saying Capt. Lee Noga and no longer holds a Captain's license????


    MMLD Credential Verification Search Results for Sun Mar 01 13:57:01 EST 2015

    Credential Results for NOGA , REBECCA E (Data last refreshed on March 1, 2015)
    This mariner has no valid credentials.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    I've seen her out in the River screaming at an old couple last season and blasting them with her spot light, having a complete meltdown without once explaining her stand. Not much of a captain in my opinion, licensed or as it turns out non licensed. Lot of people who refer to her do not have very good things to say. No one has seen the self proclaimed shrimp goddess on the water this season, I guess the "newbies" on her site haven't posted enough reports for her to know if the shrimp are running. Or maybe she's in damage control after posting her findings on her shrimp light test which show her lights drain your battery at a rapid pace. She thinks more watts are better because it's brighter, last year she said shrimp don't like bright lights. Wish she would make up her mind!! Led greenie was the best light you could possibly buy when she was promoting them, she even gave him an award now according to her led greenie is junk, now that she is selling other lights that look like they where made with Home Depot parts. She gave the new light maker an award to. Go figure...
  • JethroJethro Posts: 409 Deckhand
    hodgie2411 wrote: »
    The fact that she misleads everyone by saying Capt. Lee Noga and no longer holds a Captain's license????


    MMLD Credential Verification Search Results for Sun Mar 01 13:57:01 EST 2015

    Credential Results for NOGA , REBECCA E (Data last refreshed on March 1, 2015)
    This mariner has no valid credentials.

    Data last refreshed on March 1, 2015?????????
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    I myself have seen Lee's ways on and off the water. I will not call her a "Captain", for the simple fact that she is nothing but a fraud. A little info on Rebecca. She joined tje first Central Florida on-line community not that long ago and was a true green horn is the sport of recreational shrimping. Everything she spews as a self proclaim self tought shrimp guru is BS. After pissing off a few members she decided to start her little site.

    She went to Sea School to get her Captains license to start shrimping charters. Funny because she draws a disability each month. I always found that funny. For some one to claim to be disabled to receive a free check, was cleared by the U.S.C.G as a capable person to run a charter, but to disabled get a job.

    Once Miss Lee found out they would cut off her disability check by running charters, she found it best to do trips under the table.. as " learning trips". And with the begging of donations on her site as a poor disabled woman.

    As as a couple of the other posts she is with out a doubt rude as hell on the water. I have seen her a few times yelling at people like she is the self proclaimed water police. I have to wonder if she reports the sales she makes each year off he lights, nets, flea market sales, online sales, etc. Or even has a business license.

    Bottom line she is nothing but a scam artist! And she be ashamed to even use the title of Captain in her name.
  • SpecialistSpecialist Posts: 79 Deckhand
    I was told by a reliable source that she is operating her business under the name of her wife to avoid the disability issue. I have no proof, but based on what I know of her I wouldn't put it past her. She has been trying to milk the system for years.
  • hodgie2411hodgie2411 Posts: 244 Deckhand
    Double dipping? No pun intended
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    Great thread. Very informative.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    Great thread. Very informative.
    It is Gary! You see Ms Noga is a scam artist. As a hard working Captain myself who pays tax's, and has been harassed by Lee Noga over the years who defrauded the government, the hard working people who pay tax's, and people who just want to learn about the sport of recreational shrimping.

    Maybe it's just me. Or maybe others are starting to see her for what she really is. A FAKE. Not a very good one. She runs Charters under the table which is illegal. I hope she really has a lawyer that can turn things around that fast because she will be reported to the proper authority for disability fraud and tax evasion.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 AG
    Leetaching-2-2013.jpg

    A Local Sports Icon.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    Is that the only shirt she owns? I only ask because it's the same shirt in every web site photo lol.. Captain my left ...
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    If she promoted products and focused only on the promotion rather than try to destroy the competition she'd probably do very well, to bad she's is a scam artist! If she can make a few bucks off of your product she promotes you like it's her own but when she gets her little attitude she does nothing but bad mouth and post negatively even tho' she (the shrimping academy ) gave an award to the product.
  • SpecialistSpecialist Posts: 79 Deckhand
    Leetaching-2-2013.jpg

    A Local Sports Icon.

    You should do a "caption this" with that picture.
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    " And you need to buy my dvd, only three donations of $19.95".
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    "Caption this". These are the only clothes I own. I used alllll the donations to buy my furry boots. Don't I look pretty
  • Salty Cracker 321Salty Cracker 321 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    100% disability vet... please donate. Right from her web site.
  • ShrimpmanShrimpman Posts: 42 Deckhand
    I think the disibility is in her ability to dress herself
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