National Signing Day

ZimmerNole

Madbeach wrote: »

Honestly, I was just thinking when FSU has been somewhat of a relevant team in football. I thought that it was in the mid-80's. Thought this would give a good idea on what the head-to-head would be. Doesn't mean that FSU has had better teams. I would bet against that. UF has been VERY good! I believe that they will be back on top in a year or two

1976, Bowden's first year

before that we were a pee-wee squad.

Whats the record '76 to present?

Madbeach

ZimmerNole wrote: »

1976, Bowden's first year

before that we were a pee-wee squad.

Whats the record '76 to present?

UF - 19
FSU - 21

Tie - 1

Madbeach

Haha

http://eggplantfsu.com/2015/02/04/florida-state-lands-monster-5-star-defensive-tackle-recruit-drew-brownstein/?cbg_tz=300

ZimmerNole

They have the all time record, no doubt about it...

However, since the battle was "fair" we have done quite well.

It was tied from 1976 on just a few years ago at 19-19-1

ZimmerNole

Madbeach wrote: »

Haha

http://eggplantfsu.com/2015/02/04/florida-state-lands-monster-5-star-defensive-tackle-recruit-drew-brownstein/?cbg_tz=300

Now THAT is funny right there....I don't care who you are.

frank

ZimmerNole wrote: »

Math, frank?

Need links?

FSU: 5 five stars, 10 four stars = 15 blue chips
UF: 2 five stars, 5 four stars = 7 blue chips
UM: ZERO five stars, 7 four stars = 7 blue chips

7+7 = 14

15 is more than 14, no?

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/all/all

dood

ZimmerNole wrote: »

FSU signed more blue chip recuits (4 and 5 stars) than FSU and Miami.....combined.

15 is not grater than 15

proofreading, it's as important as math
for a forum mod yo

on_the_rocks

This is classic...
What is 1+1 worth when you can not catch a simple point?

Buckeye

Flash

ZimmerNole wrote: »

PAC12 won the day actually....

Top five consists of 2 SEC teams, 2 ACC teams and the winner was USC.

Actually by conference, the SEC signed WAY more.

on_the_rocks

Buckeye wrote: »

^classic!
Lol

ZimmerNole

Top 25 lies everyone tells themselves on signing day.

This is amazing.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/2/3/7970291/national-signing-day-rationalizations-itll-be-ok-itll-be-ok

Larry Mac

UT joined the ranks of Bama in the process of oversigning. They now have committments for 91-- the NCAA allows 85. That means 6 players that could have been there 3-4 years are being told to go find a scholarship elsewhere.
This is a bs tactic unfair to the players and unfair competitively. Can't believe this hasn't been challenged by the NCAA. ( Actually I know why-- Saban and now UT's Jones has sold his soul.).

fins4me

Larry Mac wrote: »

UT joined the ranks of Bama in the process of oversigning. They now have committments for 91-- the NCAA allows 85. That means 6 players that could have been there 3-4 years are being told to go find a scholarship elsewhere.
This is a bs tactic unfair to the players and unfair competitively. Can't believe this hasn't been challenged by the NCAA. ( Actually I know why-- Saban and now UT's Jones has sold his soul.).

UT now has 84 scholarship players.

Several players from last years team chose to move on. Your information is incorrect.

Larry Mac

After they processed the others. They are hoping for LB R. Smith. Which is why they are down to 84. But on NSD they were up to 91.
And do you believe the players really wanted to move on? LOL

fins4me

Larry Mac wrote: »

After they processed the others. They are hoping for LB R. Smith. Which is why they are down to 84. But on NSD they were up to 91.
And do you believe the players really wanted to move on? LOL

I believe if I were a college football player (one who wanted to play the game) I would appreciate being told that my chances of getting playing time were minimal and be given the chance to move on if that were the case.

Larry Mac

The fact you you oversign gives schools like you an advantage. It's like I'll oversign , and then pick who's better for our program. I'll run the others off someway. At UF, if we have 65 returning players, we can only sign 20 on NSD to bring us to 85--not 25 bringing us to 90, then afterwards go and tell 5 other players you have to leave, we don't have room for you. We can't do that, nor should we.
Here's a link from a newspaper in your own state. You can find lots of references about Butch and UT regarding oversigning on the Internet .

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/david-climer/2015/01/25/college-football-recruiting-national-signing-day/22328301/

fins4me

Larry Mac wrote: »

The fact you you oversign gives schools like you an advantage. It's like I'll oversign , and then pick who's better for our program. I'll run the others off someway. At UF, if we have 65 returning players, we can only sign 20 on NSD-- not 25 bringing us to 90, then afterwards go and tell 5 other players you have to leave, we don't have room for you. We can't do that, nor should we.
Here's a link from a newspaper in your own state. You can find lots of references about Butch and UT regarding oversigning on the Internet .

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/david-climer/2015/01/25/college-football-recruiting-national-signing-day/22328301/

Did Butch Jones or the University of TENNESSEE break any NCAA rules regarding recruiting?

Larry Mac

Or the two recruits who had scholarships offered by UT for 6 months and were pulled just days before NSD.

fins4me

fins4me wrote: »

Did Butch Jones or the University of TENNESSEE break any NCAA rules regarding recruiting?

again

dpdash

fins, you're missing the point, while it may not be "illegal", I'll take your word for it that its not, it isn't right. I don't know if Jimbo does it at FSU but I hope to God he doesn't. Just a slimey way to do business. In your own words, if you think it's great that the recruit should be told he will have minimal playing time, the time to have that conversation is before you offer a scholarship

Buckeye

Wasn't UF over signing not so many years ago?

I agree the practice is unethical, but lets not pretend the entire SEC has not done it.

Over signing does not happen in the Big Ten, but since Meyer has been at OSU I've noticed that he is gaming the system in a different way. Meyer seems to get the athletic department to award scholarships to players in other sports and have the kids simply play football too. For example, offer a wide receiver a track scholarship and have him walk on the football team.

Can't say the guy is a dummy, that's for sure. And no idea if the practice was used pre Meyer.

Larry Mac

Buckeye wrote: »

Wasn't UF over signing not so many years ago?

I agree the practice is unethical, but lets not pretend the entire SEC has not done it.

Over signing does not happen in the Big Ten, but since Meyer has been at OSU I've noticed that he is gaming the system in a different way. Meyer seems to get the athletic department to award scholarships to players in other sports and have the kids simply play football too. For example, offer a wide receiver a track scholarship and have him walk on the football team.

Can't say the guy is a dummy, that's for sure. And no idea if the practice was used pre Meyer.

The president at UF has never allowed oversigning or greyshirting.
At no point are we allowed to go over 85 commitments to scholarship. I think you can see the advantage. It allows you to weed out players that didn't pan out. Certainly would help increase depth on your team. I don't like the practice and don't deny others in the SEC are doing it. I feel like it puts us at a disadvantage.
I just wish it would be addressed so all would be equal.

Larry Mac

Evidently Urban cannot count as well. 64+25=89. LOL
According to this Ohio paper. Now you can read the article and there might be legit reasons to remove players. You can say like Fins said to players that you won't get any playing time so you might as well transfer -- so they would then have to sit out a year before they could play. There might be an injury as well. But my point is that if we were in the same position as Ohio State ( and I actually think we were with 64 returning players) is that UF would have had to stop at 21 signings on NSD instead of oversigning by 4 to 25. Advantage Ohio State.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/02/national_signing_day_ohio_stat.html

Larry Mac

I was informed Buckeye that Andy Staples from SI says that the Big Ten allows 88 meaning you'd have to process out 3 players before the start of the season.

Buckeye

Larry Mac wrote: »

The president at UF has never allowed oversigning or greyshirting.
At no point are we allowed to go over 85 commitments to scholarship. I think you can see the advantage. It allows you to weed out players that didn't pan out. Certainly would help increase depth on your team. I don't like the practice and don't deny others in the SEC are doing it. I feel like it puts us at a disadvantage.
I just wish it would be addressed so all would be equal.

And how long has the president been at UF? As recently as 2010 I believe UF was over signing.

Buckeye

Larry Mac wrote: »

I was informed Buckeye that Andy Staples from SI says that the Big Ten allows 88 meaning you'd have to process out 3 players before the start of the season.

We noted before signing day that based on how Ohio State's roster was currently constructed, they'd only have room to take 22 or 23 kids, and they ended up signing 27. Is this the dreaded "oversigning" that so many Big Ten fans condemned the SEC for doing for so long?

Here's the thing: There is nothing illegal about what Ohio State is doing. It isn't unethical. And it honestly isn't even that big a deal.

Being a few players over the 85 scholarship limit the day after national signing day isn't uncommon at all. Ohio State isn't even the only team in the Big Ten currently in that situation. Coaches know more about potential roster turnover and churn than fans do, and have to recruit accordingly.

During Ohio State's press conference following yesterday, Urban Meyer alluded to potential career ending injuries to Armani Reeves, Ron Tanner, and Devan Bogard. Lest any skeptical fan clamor that these are trumped up injuries, Reeves was a highly regarded regular contributor who would been playing if he hadn't missed games due to concussions last season, and Tanner and Bogard, both special teams contributors, have torn ACLs multiple times. They did not suffer minor ailments and were then pushed into hanging it up against their wishes.

Player churn happens. In Ohio State's 25 man class in 2012, 12 players either medically retired, transferred, or otherwise left the school. Three-star linebacker Luke Roberts left early in his Ohio State career ... to get his education and play football at Harvard. Four-star offensive lineman Joey O'Connor left to be closer to home in Colorado, and then later quit football altogether. Five-star all-everything Noah Spence was suspended indefinitely by the Big Ten for failing multiple drug tests. All of that is part of college football, and that leaves additional roster holes that need to be filled. That's not unprecedented for Ohio State.


http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/2/5/7985877/did-ohio-state-oversign-2015-national-signing-day

ZimmerNole

fins4me wrote: »

Did Butch Jones or the University of TENNESSEE break any NCAA rules regarding recruiting?

No, but it's just ethics and semantics we're arguing over. It's not just black and white, right and wrong etc. There is some gray area in life my friend :wink

Buckeye wrote: »

And how long has the president been at UF? As recently as 2010 I believe UF was over signing.

I thought they were oversigning under Meyer as well, maybe I was wrong?

Larry Mac

As long as Machen was there-- and he was there before Meyer-- there was never any oversigning or greyshirting at UF.
Not sure before that. I can see maybe 2-3 a year for attrition. But UF can't even do that.
Anything more than 2-3 a year is unethical IMO.
85 or 88. NCAA or the Power 5 should make the rule that you are never over that number for even a minute at any time including NSD. Make the playing field even.

Buckeye

Larry Mac wrote: »

I can see maybe 2-3 a year for attrition. But UF can't even do that.

Why can't UF do that? Self imposed? If so, that's something UF can change? So in theory they COULD do that but they choose not to?

ZimmerNole

Agreed, anything over 88 just ain't right.